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#1177741 09/01/04 04:43 AM
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ice and ibuprofen.

And call Penny and get this set up, now (that's what kathi meant by "ASAP". What the heck is IRL?).

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Ibuprofen... I will get some today. Ice, I already have. Thanks.

IRL => In Real Life... that thing which seems to go on apart from this messed up nightmare-fantasy.

J

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dewt..
why do you need a poja for counseling??

what if dylan never agrees..

what if you believe her agreeing is committing to working on the marriage...
and what if she is not ready to work on the marriage...

what does that have to do with you?

dewt you know that sometimes we do good things for the bigger picture..
inspite
our spouses...

ARK the excuse terminator...
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Hey Deut,[the guy I remember]!!!

[Zippy enters board after excusing himself for not helping a long time buddy because he is busy playing Mr Mom and Nancy Nurse and finally gets a minute to himself to post].

Regarding the muscle pain, it's called STRESS. I've seen it before, ya gotta believe it coming from a DinoMedic, yes, someone in EMS for over 26 years.

Now, WTF!!! Duet? You guys have a third chance here at salvaging a relationship if my old mind is not failing, ok, well it is, but, that's besides the point. Not many of us were given a second chance.

I'm very happy with G and life, sure glad I met her, would I have been happy with Val if we would have been able to work out the speed bumps? I DON'T KNOW because I wasn't really given a second chance. [This is where you get the point, just say yes]

Bottom line.... Zippy's final thought, is Dylan and your M worth it? [Insert answer here]

I give my stepson the best advise I can and now you get it too. Life is full of choices. YOU choose freely, everyone has free will.

Dylan knows what I mean <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Tell her I said HI!!!

Do what ye will and harm no one.

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Ark,

I need POJA on the counselling because it would involve Dylan.

If Dylan never agrees then we're sunk and we should just go our separate ways. And you're right, if she did agree to marriage counselling/coaching, I would take that as a sign that she wanted to save our marriage.

If she is not ready... I dunno...

What does that have to do with me? Well you said, "dewt you know that sometimes we do good things for the bigger picture... in spite of our spouses..." which I agree with, and tried to do, but we all saw how good I am at holding up lofty ideals all on my own...

Dewt... the excuse rejuvenator... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

Tim, hey man, howya doing? I passed on your message to Dylan... she asked me to ask you to drop her a line at sacred_rain@yahoo.com

I certainly can accept your diagnosis of stress... (in the absence of stress relief, I'll settle for Ibuprofen)

Ya... the third chance thing... I do feel that it would be worth it, but if, and only if the two of us were seriously committed. Been through this for two long to have any hopes of only one of us being able to pull this all together.

Good ta seeya...

John

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Deut---my friend of 1000 excuses

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I need POJA on the counselling because it would involve Dylan.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No you don't. You need to let Dylan know that you would like to join her in the counseling, and you're making the appointment tomorrow. It'd be terrific if it was "mutually enthusiastic"---but it doesn't need to be so.

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Hey Gang,

OK, anyone remember when we [ok, it was me, but, I got you guys interested] were trying to figure out who the Card Fairie was? I certainly do. Yeah, that was a while back. So, I'm old, I can still tie my velcro sneakers.

Well, it came to me in a dream who K actually is... [drum roll]

He is ..... Yogurt. Below is my research that backs up my theory.

Video tape evidence code name "Space Balls"

YOGURT: [really K] You heard of me?

LONE STARR: Heard of ya? Who hasn't of Yogurt?

VESPA: Yogurt, the wise.

DOT: Yogurt, the all powerful.

BARF: Yogurt, the magnificent.

YOGURT: Please, please, don't make a fuss. I'm just plain Yogurt.

LONE STARR: But you're the one...

YOGURT: Yes. I am the keeper of a greater magic. A power known throughout the universe, known as...

BARF: The force?

YOGURT: No. The MB Principles.

Just trying to lighten the mood. I had a tough day again, I'm fearing Mom is hitting the Alzheimers gig.

K, you really are someone that I truly admire and respect. I would have to say one of the cornerstones here. Chris123, WAT and more than I can name have really been an inspiration with the outpouring of advice and support. I am so glad that I found this site back in '99.

Sleaze ya later,

Zippy

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Tim...

Boy do I remember trying to figure out who the Card Fairie was!!! Some of us chatted on msn and that was the "hot topic of the day!" LOL LOL

Speaking of her, have you or Gina heard anything from her? Just wondering!

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#1177749 09/03/04 06:55 AM
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Hey Tim,

Sorry to hear about your Mom. Mine is in the hospital, recovering after having a surgeon take a 9-iron worth divot out of her colon (diverticulitis). She's recovering great, thankfully.

Spaceballs... My kids love that movie.

Hey, I was never in on the original unmasking of the Card Fairie---so if it's not against union rules---spill it.

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dewt...

I need POJA on the counselling because it would involve Dylan.

no it doesn't ...it involves dewt learning how to be a "better" husband/father/partner/person/communicator

sounds like a good thing to me eh? (darn Canadians maybe that's why WE aren't "communicating well..that whole America/Canada barrier.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

And you're right, if she did agree to marriage counselling/coaching, I would take that as a sign that she wanted to save our marriage.

well quit thinking that...
quit it
quit it

change YOUR perspective.....and see it as you two learning how to be NICE and RESPECTFUL with one another...if you can't master the basics...you can't master the bigger issues....

which I agree with, and tried to do, but we all saw how good I am at holding up lofty ideals all on my own...

yeah well that will fly with me... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I tried...
I couldn't do it
poor me..
I quit

bllleeeeeeeeeechhhhhhhhhh

try again
try again
and then
try again....

you actually dewt have nothing to lose...
cause right now...you two don't have anything but a huge void and stalemate..
ya'll could live for years in that limbo..
blech...

Ark, Just J... really glad you're both here

still thinken that??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

ark

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Yeah... I'm still thinking that... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

J

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Hey Deut,

Sorry I went off topic last night, man, it's been tough here with Mom. I have the weekend off, her cousin is taking over for me with the meds and stuff. Just brought my puter down here so it's taking me a little to get it set up. Let Dylan know that an E will be on it's way soon.

Yo Mitzi,

No I haven't heard from the Card Chick since we left VA Beach. Boy, that was a cool trip. I have heard from Marsha thou. It's funny you mention that cause I came across the pics of N'ville this week and was just thinking how great it was to meet all of our MB friends.

Well K,

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well. Hey, who needs all those feet of intestines anyway? My younger cousin had the same operation a few years ago and she was only in her early thirties and a nurse to boot.

I can tell you who the Card Fairie is only because the statue of limitations has expired. Once she was revealed she was ousted from the union, so, the Card Fairie is/was Dawnetta AKA Butterfly.

I love Space Balls too, the kids know the script by heart. I was surprised at some of the stuff they got away with in the movie with that rating.

OK, so Deut,

so what's going on?

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Deut -

So.... What are you really afraid of here? You've been an MB member for so long that your membership card wore out about a century before I typed on a computer for the first time (in 1978).

You know this about changing you. You know it's about getting your life in order. And you're still here.

Are you here just so we can all hang around with popcorn and Slurpees and watch the soap opera of your life? If so, hang on, I gotta go get a Slurpee.

If not, uhm, well, what's up with being here and standing there in stasis, unable to take the simple step of calling Penny? Really, look on her web site. Could someone that blond and cute be scary?

(Those of you who actually know Penny, shush. We're trying to de-frighten Deut, not send him screaming into the hills.)

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Could someone that blond and cute be scary?

Uh... remember who you are talking to here...

Blonde + cute = trouble

I'm not so much into blondes, but playing it safe is good...

Ok, all kidding aside...

Right now, the only reason I haven't called Penny is financial. That's not an excuse. That's a reason and for the next week or so it will continue to be a very serious reason.

But, having said that, I wish to reafirm to you all that I will call her.

Because I know I need help.

Dylan is not the only one fence sitting. I have such fears and concerns and I cannot sort through them on my own. It's like a cyclone... thoughts and feelings swirling about, leapfrogging each other and coming back on each other till I don't know which way is up, down, forward or backward...

And I'd like to know... really I would.

Because if I had a course I could believe in, I know I'd be doing much, much better...

And I'm past the point where baby steps are going to be enough... I need solid, clear direction!

Tim, please, no worries about jacking my thread... it's all good. Just so long as we don't start exchanging recipes... (heheheheh, remember that?)

J, as to why I'm still here, (I only reg'd in 1999... in '78 I was still playing with GI Joe) I guess it's because I need to be. I need something to balance the overwhelming urge to cut my losses and run for the hills. Yes, my family is of supreme importance, but I feel like I've been running uphill for soooo long... I guess I just need to hear some pro-marriage voices to help keep me on track. If this marriage is not going to work, well so be it, but I don't want to look back and feel like I could/should have done more.

I dunno...

What the heck is a slurpee?

dewt

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
Right now, the only reason I haven't called Penny is financial. That's not an excuse. That's a reason and for the next week or so it will continue to be a very serious reason.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's a reason... not a very good one, however. Penny would work something out for you, I'm sure. And if she won't---just tell her to bill me.

Seriously---make the call first thing tomorrow.

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Hey K, thanks so very much for your kind and generous offer.

Dylan and I have discussed the matter quite thoroughly. She is going to email Penny herself and look into the sliding scale and also (I guess) wether coaching is a good place for us to start.

J

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ALLLLL RIGHTO!!!!!!

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Anyone and everyone, please keep us in your prayers tonight that all this gets worked out...

Thanks.

J

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John..

Have been doing that and will continue to do so!

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Good deal, deut---although I'm guessing that you're just shifting responsibility to Dylan so that I don't bug you anymore... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Keep us posted...

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