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I am putting this out for a vote because I'm interested to hear what you'all would advise and why. I believe I have made up my own mind already and know why *I* have reached my conclusion, but I want to hear your thoughts and count the votes.
Here's the background. My DD's 15th birthday is Mon. Oct. 25th. She had her birthday party on Saturday, inviting 16 of her closest friends and they all came. Her party was on a work-day for me, but on a day off for her and her friends, so not only did she have a party from 6pm-10pm, but she had the girls all sleep over after the party! SOOOoooo...I was working 9am-5pm, decorating and wrapping etc. from 5pm-6pm, partying with 16 teenagers from 6pm-10pm, and then sleepover with 8 girls from 10pm-the wee hours. Needless to say, we were a bit tired!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
So, for his DD's 15th birthday, my exH WAS GOING TO go to Target and buy the big present (a new skateboard), after I had gone to the store and scouted out the right one and told him exactly what to buy. About Thursday he tells me he is too busy with work and doesn't have time to go buy it...can I go buy it and he'll pay me back? Well, I know where THIS is going folks, but thankfully I have the money and I want DD to have the skateboard--so I figured I would buy it and see if exH is a man of his word (I knew better!) and if he didn't voluntarily pay me back, I'd say it was from ME because it *WAS* from me.
BTW, not only did I end up buying all the gifts by myself, but also paying for the decorations, paper plates and forks, birthday cake, wrapping paper, rental for the clubhouse, damage deposit, additional little gifts, birthday card, and pizza for 20!! Yep...in other words, he did not chip in one dime for his own daughter's birthday!!!!!
In my mind, I thought that was dispicable, but it was my understanding that on her REAL birthday (Monday night) my exH--her dad--was taking her and her boyfriend out to a nice restaurant for dinner, and he was going to pay for the nice dinner and give her any presents he had (if any! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> ).
You guessed it! He is nothing if not consistent. Just got off the phone with him moments ago, and he's backing out! UNBELIEVABLE. It seems that he had asked DD to have her boyfriend call him to tell him what time to pick up the happy couple. Well...DD was up until something like 3am, fell asleep, and innocently didn't have her BF call exH. NOW, exH is screaming mad, basically saying that since no one cared enough to tell him when to get BF, he's not going to do it. After biting my tongue for several minutes, I spoke my mind: "If you intend to punitively punish your DD on her birthday for being tired, then that is your choice. I won't stop you." He hung up.
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Here's the vote part:
Option 1 I relate the facts to DD as unemotionally and factually as possible, tell her the dinner is off so as not to enable an emotionally punishing ex, and I hurt her on her birthday. In summary, I let her see how her own dad treats her on her own birthday. PRO: the enabling stops here. CON: DD is hurt on her day.
Option2 I do what I can to have her call her dad, or have BF call dad, or kiss whatever needs kissing in order to enable ex's childish temper tantrum but let DD have a good birthday. Maybe AFTER the birthday I explain to her what happened. PRO: DD is not disappointed on her birthday. CON: exH gets message that his tantrums work and is enabled in his illness.
Soooo...how do you vote?? Please support your vote with your reasoning and let's throw in a little intellectual banter too!
As I said, I have already reached a conclusion of my own, and I'll join in the conversation tommorrow!
CJ
P.S. Just so you know, this kind of stuff just emotionally kills me. I can not for the life of me imagine how a father can just emotionally abandon his own children like this! I hurt for my DD...either way she has a messed up birthday or a dad who doesn't care about her, and either way it SUCKS!! And I'm pretty sure that both of my kids know that I'd give everything I had for them...yet I can't make their own dad care enough to do something for their BIRTHDAY! <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
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"Your Dad called to cancel the dinner."
"Why?"
"I don't know. What would you like for breakfast?"
"But, what else did Dad say?"
"Just that he's canceling. Are cheerio's OK with you?"
That's my vote.
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CJ,
Unfortunately there are going to be times when a child is disappointed by the actions...or lack of action from a parent. I do not think it is your job to be the person who bears the responsibilty of "explaining" the why and why not, since you are not that parent in this instance. It is HIS job to explain this one.
So, I think that you just offer up something along the lines of...
"Your Dad called to cancel dinner while you were sleeping...you might want to call him back...here's the phone".
If she starts asking why he cancelled...you can always tell her that is something that she needs to ask him.
Don't pull his butt out of the fire on this...or it just allows it to continue.
JMHO committed
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I am with Pep on this. With perhaps the addition of "you could call him later if you would like" Not like this - "why don't you call the a$$ yourself and ask him why he conitunes to be the most selfish person on the face of the earth" But - "You could give him a call later if you would like, now would you also like juice?"
Also - I certainly would tell WxH that he needs to be the one to call Daughter and tell her he won't be picking her up. (Is that too explosive?? perhaps.) Something like: "If you are not going to take her out to dinner, you need to call and let her know, right away." Just a thought. I am thinking that he won't be able to call her to cancel, so he will likely take her out anyway.
Ugh This is all crap.
I think a bubble bath is in order for CJ today.
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Okay, I can see some minor clarification is in order, and in re-reading what I wrote I can see where there is miscommunication. From a factual point of view only, here's what happened re: the skateboard.
My DD had a cheapy little $9.00 Target skateboard that she learned how to skate and do some tricks on, but being the cheap little thing it was, it broke. Now DD is a very athletic girl, likes skateboarding and snowboarding for fun but nothing else (not competitively), and both exH and I thought that now that she's older and her board was broken...we'd get her another, better one. ExH knows NOTHING about decks, trucks, wheels, and ball bearings--and I only know enough to be dangerous! But I agreed to do the "investigating" part, learn all I could, go to the ESPN park and have the sales clerks show me the WAY TOO EXPENSIVE cool, professional stuff etc. Our goal was to get her a better board without spending a couple hundred bucks! OUCH. So I investigated and recommended some at Target that range from $50 to $70 and are pretty well-built and respectable at a board park without breaking the bank.
Our "deal" was that I'd learn what I could, go to some stores and browse the month or so before her birthday, and then recommend a few boards to the exH--the X, Y, or Z board at Target for example. Then, we were going to split the cost of a board, pads, and helmet 50/50. I was willing to do the investigating because it was interesting to me and I learned something. I did my part of the deal, I was ready with my half of the money for the birthday present...he just backed out on his side of the deal at the last moment.
He's nothing if not consistent, huh?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
Thankfully, I am rather learning from all this and I did have a "Plan B" ready. I had stashed away some extra $$ in case he did what I knew he'd do, and I never told DD that "we" were getting her anything...so when I was put in the position to buy it all myself, I was ready and *YEP* I took all the credit because I deserved it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> My DD had a fabulous skateboard birthday because her mama socked away the dough to buy it on my own!!
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Now, on to the topic at hand...the debate.
Before we progress any further, I want to tell you what I had decided to do last night and how it all worked out as the day progressed today.
Last night I was a bit upset about this (in the sense of concerned for DD, not angry or emotional), but I have learned to calm myself and not make a "decision" based on a knee-jerk reaction. My knee-jerk was to tell exH he was a JERK for treating his own DD that way, but my head ruled my knee, and I thought first. As I said, he is nothing if not consistent, and he is VERY consistent in doing stuff just to get a rise out of me or a reaction out of me...so my reasoning said, "Do exactly the opposite of what he's expecting and you will probably feel quite content!" heehee <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
So, I decided a few things. First, I have been done enabling for a long time, so THAT ain't gonna happen! If he makes a pile of doo-doo, he's gonna be laying in it!! That was one boundary I knew I wasn't really going to cross--it just makes for good debate.
Second, as a mother I do not want to see my children hurt or hurting, but not all hurting is to be avoided. It is not natural or "right" for a mom to be so protective as to avoid all hurt for her children! Those would be some mighty stunted kids!! So, wisdom dictates that people often learn a deeper lesson when they are hurt. Yep--this would HURT but it is REAL and it is something my DD will have to face and deal with as a maturing young woman with an unstable dad.
Soooo...I concluded that I would most likely NOT be able to avoid/prevent the hurt (because it wasn't of my making or mine to control) but I COULD be there if it did hurt and be comforting and understanding.
With those two guiding principles in mind, I decided to do this (and BTW, this is exactly what I did):
1. When I saw DD in the morning, I spoke to her for a moment in her room. I very briefly and factually told her "Dad called last nite. He is upset that no one called him to arrange the time for your birthday dinner. He ended by saying he wasn't going to go and then hung up."
2. She was visibly upset and a little on the verge of tears with frustration. (She knows how her dad can be--she's not a baby anymore afterall!)
3. I reminded her that she would be by a phone all day long and so would her dad, and it was up to her if she wanted to call him and work it out or wait until he called to work it out...etc. It was between him and her and I wouldn't get in the middle.
4. I offered that we can not tell what dad would or would not do, and we could not make him do anything...but what we could do is make a "Plan B" backup in case things didn't work out. She and I talked about it and reached a plan that would be acceptable so her birthday wasn't ruined--she'd prefer her dad, but "Plan B" was okayish.
5. After that, she felt like her day wasn't going to be a bomb, so she got her her nerve (that's MY GIRL!) and called her dad. As I suspected, he did not have the cajones to disappoint his princess--it was mostly hot air and he worked it out with her. Note though that HE did not call HER--she had to call him. Pathetic, isn't it??
At the end of the day, she had a good day--did a little shopping, had McD's for lunch as a treat, and went to nice dinner with her BF and dad. I'm happy to report that she feels good because her day wasn't a bust, and because she was brave enough to act like a grown-up with her dad. I'm also happy to report that I feel good because I didn't enable, I didn't get in the middle, but I did communicate that DD's day was important and she did have options. It was just GOOD!
CJ
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