Tireman,

You can email me at mb11094@yahoo.com.

You messed up, OK. Now its another day. You can go forward. You didn't do this alone. You were in a very vunlerable situation and this woman who happens to be your son's wild wife came to you. You fell. But you can get up. If it wasn't you, it would have been somebody else from teh sound of it - and has already been others.

If you don't want to hurt your son even further, get rid of the gun.

We do care about you.

-AD

Tireman, send me an email, Goddammit. (Sorry folks - there are red flags that I recognize here tha have to be addressed - forgive me for swearing - I don't without reason). Contact me. Contact somebody. You haven't posted. I am worried about you. DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT YOUR FAMILY MORE. WHAT YOU DID CAN BE OVERCOME. WHAT YOU WERE CONTEMPLATING WILL ONLY HURT THEM, NO HEALING, NO CHANCES

David AT tanelornpete@hotmail.com I CAN HELP YOU. YOU HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO CAN FORGIVE AND LOVE YOU. I CAN SAY THAT I DO WITHOUT RESERVATION. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO SCREW UP SO BAD THERE SEEMS NO WAY OUT.

CONTACT ME: tanelornpete@hotmail.com. What can it hurt - it's only email!

David. I do care.

Tireman,

Let us know you're okay, all right? Sending prayers your way...

Nat

pick up buddy....we have all screwed up on this site 1 way or another...we all care no matter what we have done...we may not like what someone has done but we still like and respect the individuals....come on man...let us know that you are ok....
email me...knowalibis@msn.com tireman...

Bump.....Tireman - You still here?


TM

Tireman.....you need help;

you can get support here but as far as getting the help you need I don't think so. In reading the posts here you will find lots of opinions and they are varied and tempered by the givers background; everyone can give you their 2 cents worth......and that is about what it is worth in this scenario. Seems that some say it is incest and others believe otherwise.....it doesn't matter what the legality of the "event" was; it was terribly wrong. Sure I believe you should stay here but at the same time you should seek and follow the advice of a competent counselor. As far as the number of posts you have made......so what? It seems that all some people on MB do is sit around and post all day......giving others advice on how to work on their troubled marriages .......when do they have time to work on theirs! This last statement will probably p*ss off some people but .....so what? Certainly most people here do genuinely have compassion ....but YOU also need professional help ....get it.

tireman,

I apologize for being so harsh and have removed my earlier post to you, edited it and added it here as well.

Please take care of yourself.. please dont hurt yourself as it would hurt everyone even more than what has happened could.

God is with you in your darkest hours..believe that. take care of yourself and please contact one of the men from this board who have offered assistance.

LMH

Originally posted by tireman:
I have hurt my son. How can I ever live with that.

*****edit******

I was being HONEST. Why was this deleted? No cursing, just the honest truth. I thought it was realistic.



Good Luck, your in a tough situation to say the least.

<small>[ February 12, 2005, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: TA ]</small>

****edit*****

<small>[ February 12, 2005, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Justuss ]</small>

TA,
These are the TOS:

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Although this BB does not and cannot review the messages posted and is not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever.

I don't know how you can say there was no cursing, as I have the original post copied. Though Mods don't have to explain, your post, in my opinion, qualified for editing as defamatory, vulgar, hateful, & profane. I haven't talked to Justuss about it, but it seems we would be in agreement since J made the edit.

"Honesty" doesn't make breaking TOS acceptable.

Tireman, please let us know how you are doing. Talk to us.There are many here who care and can help you.

Originally posted by Archuletan:
TA,
These are the TOS:

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Although this BB does not and cannot review the messages posted and is not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever.

I don't know how you can say there was no cursing, as I have the original post copied. Though Mods don't have to explain, your post, in my opinion, qualified for editing as defamatory, vulgar, hateful, & profane. I haven't talked to Justuss about it, but it seems we would be in agreement since J made the edit.

"Honesty" doesn't make breaking TOS acceptable.

In all HONESTY, I think you've gone over the line, not me.

Reread what I said. I used the same words that "tireman" used and they are still in his post. I simply restated them.

My post was NOT "defamatory, hateful, & profane." I'll accept the vulgar part. I was telling him the TRUTH in what most likely "WILL" happen, not some Hypothetical. At least I gave him some hope down the road.

What he did was terrible, it will be very hard to forgive. I am not going to Sugarcoat it like some people here.

Yes, he needs help and encouragement. I thought I gave him a realistic view of what is probably going to happen. I've seen this happen with a friend of mine and the same scenario happened. I have seen this firsthand, I have some experience with the situation.

TA,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In all HONESTY, I think you've gone over the line, not me.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">To repeat Arch's post....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Any further discussion on this can and WILL be conducted with Arch and/or me via email. We will not tie up and threadjack tireman's post any further.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Justuss:
<strong> TA,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In all HONESTY, I think you've gone over the line, not me.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">To repeat Arch's post....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Any further discussion on this can and WILL be conducted with Arch and/or me via email. We will not tie up and threadjack tireman's post any further. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Understood, my apologies. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Isn't anyone concerned that tireman expressed suicidal thoughts on Tuesday and has not been heard from since?

Very...But (seriously,) what *can* we do? Does anybody know who tireman was before he changed screen name? Maybe that would clue someone in...maybe have his email...something...keep praying...

I started a new thread a couple of days ago asking if anyone had heard from tireman, but nobody seems to have had any news. It is very worrying.

Well we could try and figure out who he is. He said his son was stationed in Iraq. He is the BS because he mentioned WW and that he was in Plan B. That he has been on here a long while and has been a big help to others.
Any other clues?

edited after rereading

<small>[ February 15, 2005, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: katiegirl34 ]</small>

somebody knew because they posted that they knew on this thread, but I haven´t been able to find that post. Maybe it was edited. The old timers should know.

I have to leave the house now...I tried going back over the past posts, but I have run out of time...

go back to the 8th of Feb...figure out WHO posted last on that date under a familiar name...someone who may have been a big help here at MB...someone who has maybe mentioned a son in Iraq...and someone who has gone into Plan B...Then we might be able to figure out who tireman is...

his last post is very disturbing...lots of typos and not making sense...he was drunk very obvious...he also said he had to leave...put our heads together and lets figure out who this is!