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WHY CAN'T I PLAN A? EVERYBODY ELSE CAN PLAN A, WHY, OH WHY DO I SLIP INTO THESE TOXIC PATTERNS AROUND HIM?
Oh, grapegirl, I know how you feel!! Plan A is a b*&%#!! It's definitely the hardest thing I've ever had to do. And I still don't know if my Plan A is working, so you can take my advice with a grain of salt. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I have to bite my tongue continuously when WH is around. I have sucessfully avoided getting into an argument with him for about 2 months, no matter how hard he tries to start one. I memorized Orchid's reverse babble thread. It has saved my sanity on more than one occasion. I also try to internalize all the great advice I've received here. I even practice responses to WH's alienisms in my head sometimes.

I try to think of Plan A as a war on WH's affair. I try to plan my strategy and stay focused on my goal. When he starts his alien ramblings, I smile and babble, and offer him cookies. Later, when I'm alone, I scream into my pillow or do a kickboxing workout. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Is my Plan A working? I don't know. And I won't be able to do it forever. For now, it seems to be making him think - a good thing...I hope. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Good luck and God bless!


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"offer him cookies?" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I never thought of that one. Probably more effective than T.V. kicking.....


me31 h(fw)35 dd13 DD H's ONS june'04 H left Aug11'04 found out about OW aug14'04 H came home Dec28 1st recovery started in Feb 05 Apr. 8 continued contact discovered ow and i confront Wh, H chooses marriage Am I a fool?
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Probably more effective than T.V. kicking.....
I don't know if it's more effective. We shall see. The man does like homemade cookies, though. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Im sure. Most likely a lot more than my H liked getting his plasma kicked in on d day # 2. Or maybe it was # 3 or 4 <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Im sure. Most likely a lot more than my H liked getting his plasma kicked in on d day # 2. Or maybe it was # 3 or 4 <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Wow! I think 4 D-days is plasma-kicking worthy! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Seriously, grapegirl, I've begun to think of Plan A like the episode of Seinfeld where George does the opposite of his natural instincts...and gets the girl. I try to do the opposite of what my natural instinct would be.

Yes, it does suck, though.


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I think you're onto it. You need a visual for Plan A. It sounds like you have a little edge in your text. Does it carry into your speach??

Try this. You're a stepford wife. One of my friends handed me a note while on the phone with my wife. "Your calm, your cool, your Cary Grant!" When I mentioned this in a posting. Someone else gave the example of Grace Kelly in "Rear Window". Watch that and play the part.

Plan A is a little play acting. Get into it. If you're on the phone. Hold a flash card in front of your face with notes.

When you're with him, don't get too engaged in the conversation, don't engage. Does that make sense?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


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There are many kinds of valour. "Fight or flight" bravery, risking a lot on an uncertain but hoped for roll of a dice, sufering with dignity. All these are valiant, but I have come to believe in my OWN situation that plan A - deliberately doing utterly uninstinctive things when when what I really want to do is take an axe to somebody is the thing I am proudest of in my life.

If a man ( or woman!) physically defends their family against attack EVERYONE applauds, understands and is supportive.

No friends say " you must be crazy for staying in the attacked household, get out; Have you no pride, man? The family's a slut, you're best out of it; plenty more fish in the sea; what are you ,chicken? Go kill this pr1ck!"

Everybody understands that kind of bravery.

Again when a person invests everything in , say, a busines opportunity. Onlookers may not agree with such a risk but secretly they envy the bravery of the investor, and even if it isn't successful, on lookers will say "well, you have sand, friend".

Plan A however requires more long term grit than anything else. And YES lives are actually at stake. And no-one can work out what the odds of success are, yet we must adhere to plan A knowing that every single tiny violation of the tenets of it can reset the clock to close to zero sometimes.

I am a big, physically imposing man with a streetfighting youth, no fear of conflict outside my M and I have felt clumsy, ill equipped and pathetic while doing plan A.

But I stuck to it in the absence of any other proven plan.

And it worked. WONDERFULLY.

My best friend, and my lovely SIL ( Squids older sister) have both told me that they are in AWE at my efforts against what was a desperately entrenched affair. Sure, others still think I'm crazy, and have lost respect for me as they believe I have been weak, but they are wrong.

Plan A is a heroes gig. I truly believe that.

And the feeling when you have personally rescued your family and your M from the crack of doom against the best efforts of Satans most invideous demons is inexpressable.

Through this process I have become a knight not a serf. I have seen true heroes emerge from this fight through these boards.

You ladies need to realise that there is no 'near' plan A or plan B. But you are SO close its worth that final 5% investment!!!

An automobile with 3 wheels fitted is not 75% as effective as one with 4 wheels.

A plan A with a weekly LB, or a plan B with the odd email here and there are left helplessly by the side of the road like a three wheeled car.

My outlet for all my nervous energy and anguish was the gym. wise friend Gimble advised me this and of all the wonderful help he gave me this was the best.

It not only helped me deal with my anger and pain, it made me physically powerful ( and more attractive to my Squid ! !)and allowed me to sleep better. MAN I've burned up some anger on those weight machines ! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You folks are NEARLY there ! Just find your own coping mechanism and use it regularly before the tears and LB arrive.

In this way you can execute that last 5% of Plan A that will slice the heart open of your WS fog.

I am nothing special, yet I managed this.

You can do it too !

All blessings !


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I am nothing special, yet I managed this.
I beg to differ - you are definitely special, bOb. I can only pray that my Plan A works as well as yours has.

While I have done the opposite of my natural instincts as far as arguing with WH and telling him to get his head out of his nether regions, I have also enforced my boundaries about my children not being exposed to MOW (being the hero for my children, as Gimble instructed me). It's so hard to find the balance between strength and Stepford, trying to enforce boundaries while smiling and offering cookies. Will it work? Dunno. It does seem to be having some effect, though. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Listen to bOb, grapegirl, he knows what he's talking about.

Edited to add: Geez, does this make any sense at all?? I'm off to bed now...and no more wine!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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BOB:

Amen to everything you have said. My viewpoint is exactly like yours almost to a T.

Unfortunately, I had to also do a 3 month PLAN B but my PLAN A was definitely essential to the death of my FWH's almost 3 year A.

I hope GRAPE will listen to you.

My BLESSINGS to you and your W!


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Today seems to be (at least in the hour I've been awake) a better day. I feel a little less fragile. I had an uninterrupted, deep, dreamless sleep and that makes a big difference.

I thank everybody for their help. Bob and his no-holds-barred "Girl, shape up that attitude" approach. I'm going to really work on Plan A for the next 5 weeks. The three wheeled car analogy is a great mental image. However, I'm not going to call the man. Can you do Plan A if you aren't talking? I'm not baking cookies. WH rented an apartment in a complex that bakes cookies for them every night. Of course, it's that crappy processed commercial dough but they do smell almost homemade when they're baked. I'll be pleasant.

Interesting things continue on this end. My inlaws seem to be moving to a more proactive stage. Instead of denial and wait-and-see, they are telling other relatives what is going on. They finally decide to take a stronger, more vocal stance with their son. Not that it'll do much good but nobody except me is actively telling him "Dude, this is not right!" I am so blessed to have these wonderful people on my side.

Last night, I went to my dance class. My friends surrounded me with love and laughter. We danced hard and I came home with a tired, satisfied feeling. Coming home was lovely. DD had finished all her homework and was working ahead on her math packet. DS had mowed the lawn and swept out the garage. Dinner had been cleared up and the dishwasher loaded. What special kids they are! I love them so.

Yesterday was my dark day. Today, even though it's overcast and might rain is going to be a beautiful day.


Grapes are versatile. Grapes can be sour, sweet, sublime as wine and fabulous even when old and dried out.

Me: BS
XCH: Clueless
2-DS: Bigger than me
1-DD: Now also bigger than me!

5/6: Personally served CH with divorce papers
6/6: CH F? wants to time to see if M can be saved
7/6: FCH reenters our lives to work on marriage but secretly signs papers to start divorce...what's that about?
Mediation set for November
Final dissolution in January 2007.
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HULA GODDESS:

I'm glad that you are feeling better today.

You're experiencing the rollercoaster ride.

Your IL's influence will be a crucial ingredient in this.

Hang in there for the ride.


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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