THANKS DAISY for the help...
Are you going to be around for a while... I have to step out for an hour or two and he needs someone here in case he can't control his anger and things get really bad tonight...

I'll wait to hear your reply...
DAZED.... listen to DAISY.... she's right..... come here (or the railroad tracks LOL... and YELL.. AND SCREAM.....CRY.. WHATEVER... BUT ONLY DO IT HERE...

Good Job Peach... I kind of like the idea of a PI at this point... although in my case I never wanted to know what was going on between them.... it ruined my focus.. and made me CRAZY!! I couldn't handle it...
AND DAZED.... IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY... CALL THE HARLEYS...
(btw I AM yelling! with caps...! Not really I fine it for me it's easier to read..)

Dazed....
Listen, you cannot plan for a situation like the one that happened to you today... you can hope that you get through it without a big step back....ok, too late for that...
So, now...... you can plan what to do when you get home tonight.....so no LBs! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Buy her flowers...she might not want them...but you get them anyway....if she does not like it tonight....she will remember that later, guaranteed <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />.....

I really hope you get the chance to calm down before you talk to her tonight...do try....

I wish you all the best....

I got to go now...I would stay, but I got some coffee plans with a friend of mine and H's so I got to be on my best behaviour in case this gets around to him .... got to take that big breath!

I'll be back though......again I wish you the best tonight...

Daisy <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


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I posted at the last minute before I had to go. So i just read your comments.
WW met me at home around 3PM she would only talk divorce. She was so mad and angry. I pretty much took it. I tried to tell her what happened but she would not hear it. Only that I must stop holding her back and just let go and agree to a divorce. She got mad and left when i would not agree to discuss it.
She came home at 6Pm after I took daughter to practice. Still only wanting to discuss divorce arrangements.
We did talk about why I did that. I told her what i told you. We did talk about OM and his wife and his divorce and him and his part in coaching her. This did make her think and she calmed down. She defended him on some stuff but other stuff about dumping his wife and taking her money she got quite on. Also all the really ugly stuff his EXW told him about him being a sexual pervert and how he abused his EXW sexually and that was the biggest rif in there marriage. The entire think about OM and his EX not having sex for over a year and what he did to her. WW said he addmits to masterbating and played it off as all guys do it especially when your wife wont give it up. This talk scared WW and she stopped being angry with me real fast. She paused for a few minutes and then said so I'm suppose to stay here with you and be sad for the rest of my life? We talked about starting over and she is so mad at me for now turning over a new leaf after she gave up on me. I got the old love you but not in love with you. She continued to ask me to let her go. I told her I will never give her away to another man. I said, you know I don't want you to go and I believe in my heart we could start over. Time with out him in your life. We talked about how she felt when he quit working there and how that was a major reason why they fell in love. The common things in life. How she felt the lose of him when he quit. How work sucks now and when i broke the phone how that hurt by not having him there 24-7. I said, you see me as the wedge between the great fun you had before I found out about this thing. She actually said, it was you and your big mouth that runined it for us. I said, do you really think divorcing me will make it all better with you two? Now that you two dont work together, that common bond is gone. You said the other thing was you two sharing your marriage problems was a big connection. Now thats over, so now what. What do you two now have in common? She set quite.
She says I guess if I dont go I will always wonder what if and my life with you dont get better.
I said, what if you think that about me?
There was a lot of this stuff. I finally told her that she is the one that controls her own actions. If she as to go I can only ask not to. I will not support a choice of hers to leave but can't hold her captive either.
She hugged me we cried together. I left to go get daughter. Daughter called home to get her order for dinner.
When I got home I caught WW on the phone with him. She was very caught and new it. She seen me and pushed the button to hang up. Daughter was still out side. I said, please dont tell me as she held the phone. She looked at me, and I new it was him. I said, WW why now. Just like our anniversary he can't leave you alone with me. He is still coaching you even now. She ran upstairs to bed and last I seen burried herself under all the blankets.

Man...I must say, I know "support" is needed and all, but any interpretation of this situation with the above post is bordering north of ludicrous.

PH, I read your story and I know you want to help Dazed save his marriage in the worst way, but please for the LOVE OF GOD (yes, Peach I am screaming)....don't post completely IMPOSSIBLE interpretations of his WW's behavior to offer him "support". Come on now. GET REAL.

Yes, you want to encourage him, I understand, but any one who thinks that Dazed's wife was going to try and break it off with the OM and was looking for support with her friend today, is just plain in denial.

Yeah, I will probably get slammed for not being "supportive" or "marriage supoorting"...but so be it...telling Dazed that this was a "possible" scenario, highlighted with 4 capitalized lines is just plaid old....KOOL-AID.....let me get a sip, I have 4 cases scheduled tomorrow and I could use the "high".

Get real.

Dazed, I am not offering you marriage advice, but while everyone pleads for you to show your wife compassion and show her your manhood......you are seriously broaching onto the line where all she thinks of you is as some weak, needy fool. Despite what people will tell you, there comes a time when Plan A only hinders you and makes you a doormat (that is in my opinion already in your rear view window).

Call DR Harley, what does he say...give ALL of the details to him.

I will do my sincere best to let the others help you win this mess back, but I in good conscious had to say something here....I will now promise to watch the car wreck from the streets.

Sorry.

Lem <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dazed...

Let me ask you again....don't you think this may be the time to call the Harleys????

Have you notice we all seem to agree that it is time to talk to them?

Think it over....it probably is worth it....

Best...
Daisy

DAZED...

Glad you're back and OK (as you can be) Give all the talk a rest.... go back to just normal life as much as possible.....

If you catch her talking to him just walk away.... don't react... just walk away.....

I think she knows that it won't work with OM and is still wondering how it can with you.... LET HIM PUSH... YOU GENTLY PULL...

If you can.... take the day off tomorrow or plan something fun the three of you can do tomorrow night....

Don't ask her.... just go get tickets to a movie....make dinner reservations.....fly a kite....whatever.....
Preferably something SHE really loves to do and you haven't done in a while.... take the girls clothes shopping... whatever.....

Just tell her that she needs a break from all this stress and so do you and DD.... tell her....let's go.... very light heartedly... no pressure just matter of factly......I have tickets to the movies....let's go shopping....
I don't know what she likes but you do...PRAY and ask GOD to help you pick something perfect.....

Even if you can't get her to go..... she will remember the offer and that will remind her how WELL you know her.... and to KNOW someone is to LOVE them...

And if she says OK... GREAT.... GO FOR IT.... HAVE FUN.... SMILE.....LAUGH......ENJOY EACH OTHER....

No pressure.....no questions.....no answers.... even if she starts with the questions..... gently remind her that this is a fun day/night and tickle her...or something...
It's hard to discribe what to do in a post... YOUR HEART KNOWS WHAT TO DO....listen....\

You have to repair the damage of today.... she's still on the fence.... she's scared and confused.... you guys need a break.....ALL THREE.....

Show her the future without OM....show her the man you're become and the one that's still growing and learning...

YOU CAN DO THIS......
I'm going to light a candle for you and let it burn all night as a sybmol of God's devine light and HIS hope for your Marriage..
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO JOIN ME.....POST IN...... LET'S LIGHT ONE FOR THESE GUYS AND LET DAZED KNOW WE CARE......LET GOD KNOW WE CARE......HOW ABOUT ONE FOR ALL 50 STATES....AND ANY COUNTRY THAT'S READING.....

USA and NEW HAMPSHIRE IS IN....... ANYONE ELSE???


GOOD LUCK AND PRAYERS.... FRANK

I fully support him and you knoww where I am from.

Also, I would add to dazed this...

do NOT enable a cake eater by buying too many gifts, etc...you need to show kudos for GOOD behavior period.

Please call Harleys. Do not sugarcoat anything. State it is as is..what has transpired in last 48 hrs, and her stating she wants a D.

Frank-
There is no way she will do anything with me out side of the house. She has not let herself be seen in public with me in four months.
She is done talking about any chance of us. Every time I say the word us. She gets really angry and yells as loud as she can there is no us. She will not tell me nothing. She did with draw her resignation. She is completely underground with everything she is doing. She gets really really angry if I say anything to her. When I try to talk about her having an option to stay, she just gets mad. Screams I do not want to.. Ask why I'm holding her and why can't I be civil about agreeing to do a divorce peaceful. I tried to tell her I'm not holding her. She is free to go. I'm only trying to show you there is another way. She just gets mad and screams at me.
She did not go to work today. I asked if she had the day off and she would not tell me anything other than what i do is not your business. I figure she is probably meeting lawyers or going to the court house of packing her bags.
I told her I have loved her through everything, and have held my end of our promise. If you go my job to protect you and be there for you will be finished. I will never give you to another man, but I will give you to god to help you because I no longer can.
My job as a father is not done. I will be there for her and protect her. I can let you force him on her. She is already really hurt and she will be destroyed by what your doing. She will not be ready for you to be with him, and maybe not for a very long time.
I will agree to go along with a divorce under one condition. She is not every around him. You can not move in with OM and expect me to go along with you taking Daughter into that enviroment.
There was some arguing in between this talk. She same crap about how this is my fault that she is with OM. I really did not take that. Accepted my mistakes but would not take the blame for her trading me in for him.
I don't know if I should run to my lawyers office and push the button or play along with her. She claims to want to work together on a divorce plan but I think its another lie.
She says she wants nothing from me. No money, child support. Only asset is her car, cloths, and joint custody of daughter.
I don't have a problem with the car and cloths, but I don't want daughter around OM.

Dazed-

It sounds as though your wife MIGHT be at a point where you truly can educate her a little bit.

Tell her about my story...if you don't remember it, take a look for it over on the recovery board. My wife too was convinced that 'she'd never be happy again' with me. That the kids and I had 'ruined her only chance to be happy with the love of her life'. Seriously, straight withdrawl/fog talk.

My wife can't believe that she felt that way now. She said she was so confused and lost that she didn't know what she was feeling. Let your wife know that my wife felt the same way...and now she's VERY, VERY glad that I didn't let her go. Let her know that she's looking at your marriage now through a set of 'blinders'...they only let her see the bad things. But, those blinders WILL go away...as soon as she gets OM out of her eyes.

She's not going to want to realize that her case is CLASSIC affair stuff. There is nothing new or unusual about her situation, about her feelings for OM. But tell her that anyway...let her know that you've been getting support from a place where there are TONS of people who have been through the EXACT same thing, from all three sides (BS, WS< OP)...and let her know that they've talked with you about this and that there is NOTHING unusual about this case...and that the way she feels for OM is NOT a lasting thing...and that the love for you CAN and WILL return, once she gets OM out of her system.

Tell her to give you three months...TOTALLY without OM. If he calls, if they see each other, ANYTHING, that three months starts over. But to give you three months...if what she's got with OM is "true love" (BARF!), then three months of no contact with him won't mean a thing...her feelings won't change at all. And if she still feels the same way after not having ANY contact with OM at all after three months, and after she's worked on trying to rebuild things with you, that you'll sit down with her then and re-think what you're next steps will be. (This doesn't mean you're promising a divorce...just that you'll re-think things...leave it at that and don't elaborate).

The reality is this...if she can go three months of TRUE NC....she'll go withdrawl, and then she'll be over the OM. It's rare that withdrawl lasts longer than that if NC is STRICTLY enforced.

I've seen this ploy work for several people...give it a shot.

Owl- I agree with you and I know her relationship with OM will go bad. I know enough about him to know that he is a fraud. He is just a wolf in sheeps clothing. She can't see this now. I have pointed this all out to her. Last night we talked about this very thing. I know once he thinks he has her the real wolf will come out and she will pay the price. I know this.
She is not up for any lecturing. I know I have made her think and scared her. No matter what I say she says she just has to find out. She thinks he is her true love and just has to know.
My thoughts are she will lose everything to be with him. He will slowly take off the mask and she will one day realize she made the biggest mistake of her life. She is so stubborn and hard headed I don't know if she will swallow her pride and come back. She may just remain with him and give up and take it.
He is a loser that will hurt her, I have no doudt in my mind. If was a great guy, I might not even feel so bad. Crazy yes, I know.
I have offered your plan to her. She will not do it. OM will not let her. Just like last night, she had to check in with him when I turned my head. He is in complete control of her and has been for a long time. He has played her perfectly and she can not see it.
You know how sick she is. She is defending him about his sexual disfunction. Oh- yes. When she asked him about his sex life with his wife. You see she told WW and me that he seriously abused her in bed. Porn, objects, sodomy, etc. OM's wife claims this drove her into depression and killed her self esteam. She had to stop giving him sex because of how she felt about herself mentally and physcially when he was done. OM and her both say they did not have sex the last 2 years of there marriage. So, OM turned to porn and masterbation. WW is nuts enough to think that he really did not hurt his wife in bed, and his porn and masterbation is normal for a man going with out. I said, dear its been 9 montsh sense we made love. I have no porn and hand jelly laying around using nightly. He is sick... Do you really want to live it with him to find out for yourself?
You see this is a major point with her because she was raped and molested. She has some major sexuall limitations.
Okay- I seem to went off track here.
She will file for a divorce weather I go peaceful or stuggle. I know this. The question is do I play along with her or do I dig in. I don't think she will give up custody of daughter. This is a pride thing more than anything. She don't want the guilt of people saying she gave up her kid. Just like she don't want the guilt of people saying she did the divorce on her own. She wants me to help her look like the good person here. If I force her hand on this divorce thing and fight, I may not be able to do anything to protect daughter or myself.
I'm screwed either way. If I do it myself. I protect my assets and daughter while giving WW excuss. If I do nothing and fight her attempts for divorce I may not be able to protect daughter and I loose everything.

He's already tried that Owl. She is NOT in the mood to be educated.

Dazed -- take a good look at the whole situation from a distance. Do you know when she was most conflicted and open to working it out with you? Think for a minute................It was when you were taking steps to PUSH her out.

If you chase her, you are LESS attractive to her. Trust me.
If you beg, she will despise you for it.

Get back into Plan B mode PRONTO. Get your divorce filed. Its the right thing to do to protect your daughter. Daughter needs to be your first priority right now, not your wife or your marriage.

Go back into "protect mode."

Let her hit the bottom. She will. The life she is running toward is ugly. Let her go find out. You can't tell her so, she needs to learn it for herself.

Let her go.

(she'll be back)
Unfortunately if you get yourself to a calm peaceful place, you may not want her back. Her loss.

Lexxxy is correct on not educating her! Stop that.

In His arms.

I said this a while back.

Time for b.

Pack her bags...she is so adamant this is what she wants, give her the LOVING plan B letter...tell her when she is ready 2 read it that she can find a map back home inside...but that you're too hurt by this to continue this charade.

She has done this far too long...yelling still in the family home? this is so damaging....your dd sees this every day?

Please get the PI incase she does the immediate divorce thing...get the "dirt" onher...adultery, abandonment (she chooses to leave), etc...and only counter her in the divorce if she files first...

She has shown she is not really ready for om...she's scared...and when she has to face the fears of doing what she has been trying to do for months, it might be the only way she's gonna find her way back home...and without om forever.

We both know he's incapable of meeting real EN's...he was a lousy H to his xw, abusive, and would make a horrid stepdad...

BTW...you CAN subpoena the xw to get testimony that OM is a kinky dude and sex pervert for court~! how would that look for custody huh? Can we say it would PREVENT them from it?

If you play this smart now, it may not proceed to that. She needs to find herself attracted to YOU now...you've played the plan A to a t, with a few really angry outbursts...

Only way to handle it...You lashed out at her b/c you were "too hurt" and you need time alone. She said she wants to leave, well she is free. Let her. Let her leave. Pack her bags again for her~ tell her you love her, believe in your marriage, but you cant take this anymore unless she changes and has change of heart. That you choose to move on with her as a renewed married couple, of if she doesn't feel differently, then you will be the most darn loving, EN meeting single guy available! Just make it back on HER now...you can't cntinue with HER actions b/c of the pain...etc. She must STOP saying YOU are the root of the problems.

You're not. SHE IS AND THE AFFAIR IS!

You have allowed far too much cake eating now. She's gone into complete taker mode. She is spinning and blaming you for everything..plan A does NOT say to agree with a WS when they blame YOU for them choosing to have an A.

It could not hurt to run some ideas past an attorney. However, I would for sure get the PI. I'd have them followed. Get pics. Also have the phone and computer analyzed...get phone records, cell records etc. You and attny can create a plausable time line which clearly puts her in blame. And she's done enough to lose custody for sure...her emotional abuse has been horrible...I am sick to see ithappening still.

Just sit back and think. You did pretty much a good plan A. And now she needs to see what she is choosing over her family..see the guy for the ahole he really is...

It's not over yet! chin up! Head UP! Think thnk think! And call harleys and attorney and PI right away~

Dazed -- you have to let her go...if you want her back.
I'm sure that makes no sense at all, but its the way it has to be.

Read this article. I think your wife fits this profile.

She've very resentful of you. Of why you didn't change before. She is NOT going to be receptive to you educating her or telling her what to do. In her eyes, you are the bad guy. And she really feels horrible inside for what she is doing -- but her TAKER has taken over control. There is no reaching her at this point. Stop trying.

Let her go. Let her learn her mistakes the hard way.

You are not the person she will listen to at this point. You have the least credibility of ANYONE at this point. She blames you intensely for this whole situation. You are not the one to teach her!!!!

You have to stop trying to protect her from the consequences of her actions and choices. Let her go.

Dazed, I've followed your story since your first post. My God, you've done everything you could...far more than most men would even attempt.

Friend, it's time to pull the trigger on the P.I. and filing. I think you MUST begin to protect your daughter and yourself before it's too late. It gives me cold chills to think of that man around your young daughter. I think you have to start concentrating more on HER welfare than the increasingly remote possibility your marriage will survive. You and your daughter can recover from the breakup of the marriage. Other people have done it. But will your daughter be able to recover if this OM decides your daughter is just right for the next session with his "toys" you referred to and the abusive sex?

Pardner, I've been divorced from my first wife for 20+ years. FYI, we had two daughters that I dearly loved and love still. Divorce hurts really bad for a while, but it's no worse than what you're going through now. Also, without your so-called wife constantly around to give further pain, you WILL get better. I know. I did, and I think you're a stronger man than I was.

Well she is filing right now.
I met her at home for lunch break.
We set in opposite sides of the room for nearly five minutes quite. We just looked at each other. I removed my glasses and said, it your show.
WW set up and came over to me. Nealt down into me and we held each other so tight for five or ten minutes as WW balled like a baby.
I gently said, you can talk to me dear. Its okay, I'm here.
She said, Yes I will talk to you. I will. I'm so confused. Tears and snot running. Everyone is pulling me in half and I'm lost. Please help me... I'm so bad of a person. I've done so much how do I turn back now. Part of me wants to stay with you. I care about you and think about you all the time. My heart still belongs to you and it makes him so jelous. He don't understand why its so hard for me. I openly tell him I love you and it kills him.
I want to get in my car and drive away from everyone and just figure it out. I want to be a mommy and not hurt her any more. I'm killing her and I can't live with myself for this.
How can you forgive me now! You know about all the other bad things I have done and you still want me. How? I look at you and when you look at me I feel like trash and i dont deserve you.
She cried and cried. I spoke to her very soft and gentle. She said, she promised OM that she would file today at 3PM.
I told her to make sure she is doing this for herself and not him. Only do it if you believe in your heart 100% no regrets. She said I dont think I will ever feel that way. How do i know what to do. I said, ask him for time. If he loves you he will understand the pain your in. Look at all the time i have given you. You know i went to a lawyer and when he told me to only do it when I new we were ready.
I got to go for now. Be back ASAP....
Thank you all. I'm praying for my wife to be strong. OM is really got her twisted up..

Call your attorney immediately.
If I recall, it was important for you to file first.
Do not let her have the upper hand in this proceeding.
You cannot trust her anymore, she is under his control.
PROTECT YOUR DAUGHTER.

But you know that she IS doing this for him...and not for herself!!!

You know...I think that plan B or D is what you need now. She's confused, she is hurting...and she is STILL doing what OM wants, and not working on your M.

She needs to start REALLY feeling the consequences of her actions. Drop the plan B bomb on her NOW...but do it LOVINGLY...let her know just how much you love her and want your M to work...but that this is the only hope your love for her has left. I'd let her know EXACTLY what your requirements for reconciliation are...and then...make sure that she understands that you're NOT going to be there for her until she meets them. It's the only way she'll be forced to quit this...my money says that if you DON'T do this, she'll STILL be coming to you crying all the time even after a D is filed...or done!

What finally forced my wife to open her eyes was when she realized that I MEANT it when I told her I couldn't 'just be friends' with her. If she wanted to seperate for a year, I wasn't willing to just sit there and hold my breath...I told her to go ahead and file and we'd end the M instead. She realized then that she WAS going to lose me if she didn't do something...and that was when she REALLY made her choice.

I think you're rapidly approaching that same crux my friend...if not already there.

Dazed,

If you do get divorce papers do not overreact to what you read. Her attorney will twist around the events over the last few months to make you sound like the lunatic jealous husband. Just relax and let your attorney handle it. Obviously, do not move out and abide by any legal documents you receive. You will never win anything if you do not respect the law.

OM is jealous of YOU. She gave you his weak spot. His insecurity. Keep up the Plan A or go to Plan B, whatever, just promise us no more tirades, chasing her down, following her or him. Stop the L.B.'s completely. Turn it over to God. STOP flipping him off...instead give him a knowing grin...a grin that says I know you are a loser and I am going to beat you in the end...hug, touch or kiss your wife on the cheek in front of him if you can. Somehow find ways to infuriate him instead of vice versa. Then you become the easier, more attractive choice. The choice that at the moment is less controlling.

I hope she doesn't file. That would be another feather in your cap and another knock on OM's insecurities. Let her cake eat a few more days/weeks before your Plan B. Even though I think Plan B may be in order...I just don't believe you are personally prepared to do it yet.

Stay strong. There are candles burning all over the world for you. You are not alone.

Mr. Wondering

Thank you again.
Frank- The candle request is awesome of you to do. Thank you all for praying for me and my family.

I have a phone call tomorrow morning with Steve H.
Let's hope he has some good ideas for me that i can share with you all.

I have not had much time today to post all the things. You know me I like to write in detail. It's hard because of so much that has went on. Man, I have even found time to give a sales presentation today to a customer base of 45 people.
It's all a blur at times.

Here's some more stuff from earlier. I forgot to tell you all that last night I went into the family photo albums and dug out pictures of me and WW going all the way back to our high school prom. A picture of each year and with our daughter when she was just born to now. I placed about a dozen and a half of these pictures in the WW's make up room.
I had wrote her a note about believing in her and all three of us being happy together again. I had also placed this with the pictures but, after this morning when she yelled at me about everything I took that note and folded it up and tossed in on the floor. Inside the trash was the note from the day before.
When I talked to WW on the phone to set up our lunch meeting. She said whats with the pictures? I said, you kept saying we had no family, and me and you were never happy and there is no us. I wanted to remind you we did have a family, we were in love, and there was an us.
She did not say nothing for long while.
You know the rest of the details to the phone call.
So when i got home WW was out. Actually left me a note saying she would be right back. She had taken down all the pictures, removed the tape from them and they were all neatly placed on the kitchen counter. Remember last time she trashed all our group photos. This tells me she really looked at them and thought enough to save them. I went to throw my pop into the kitchen trash and seen the notes from the make up room. She not only read the wadded up note but retrieved yesterdays and read it again.
Fast forward.
After I said my thing about divorce and lawyers. She asked me for her wedding ring back. Surprised me. I just took it out of the jewelry box last night and held it in my pocket. I don't know why. When i went into the bathroom I seen the box and wanted to hold it.
She said, why did you take it again. I gave it to her. She said I like to know its safe and everyday I look at it. Don't take it again, well unless you want to.

When I took daughter to leadership, I seen WW's car parked down town. Could have been a lawyer office, but it was the same spot I caught her and OM in just yesterday. dunno
As luck would have it she pulled out just as i was coming back down the street from dropping off daughter. I think she seen me just as i pulled off from leadership so i'm okay there. She went the same route I took, and pulled into gas station for fuel. I pulled into the parking and went on in the store and bought her and i a pop and snack.
I went out gave the pop to WW and split the snack. She was not angry and accepted my offer and thanked me. She offered to pick up daughter from leadership and race her across town to swim team. Said, we will talk when I get home.
I will be leaving the office in a couple minutes. Really worried about getting papers.

Yes, she did reveal OM's weakness. I think the part in my PBL about us holding each other and all the loving stuff we have done and he being an accident would chap his _ss.
Her wanting to open up to me even at this point of the game was nice. Her just talking and telling me more suspect behavior about OM is good. I asked if he would get really really mad at her if she did not file today. She looked at me and frowned with tears. I could tell that I need not say no more about OM. Just let her do the talking was the main focus.
OWL- PEACHY-
Yes, you have a point. When the doors look like there closing she comes to me. When I reach out to her she runs to OM. This is way screwed up... I hate mind games.

There was some other good stuff said today over lunch. Also, at 2:15 when it was time for me to go back to work. She was still cring and said you are going to be late to work. I said, just a second. I called my secretary and told her i would be thirty minutes later. WW said why did you do that, your going to get fired because of me. I said, no. That's why I called them. Leaving you here all alone cring is just not right. You are more important to me. She held her arm up and gave me another hug. There was not much more talk. She had stopped cring and it appeared the fog was setting back in.

Thanks again everyone.

p.s.- Daisy
Your article about walkaway wifes is a perfect match to us. I have copied and printed this out on a seperate sheet of paper. Want to give it to wife. However, only wife. Not way ward wife. You know what I mean.