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Hi, TGal...

I'm sorry to hear about your health and I'm glad you're looking after it.

I want to ask you a sincere question--what is your payoff in waiting? I know you have one...that wasn't sarcasm. Can you find it? Waiting on WH...on your son...yourself...

I am not talking about fixing your life--rather, enforcing your boundaries. Making your boudnaries and then enforcing them.

I guess I'm getting back to the respect issue...respecting your WH for the choices he's making...your son...yourself...to wait is to choose not to do...to do another time...as if there were no motion, nothing happening...when there is...isn't there?

I care about you...helping yourself is what you were here for...to see your life as it truly is...to get clarity...and it's okay if you feel like you're back at the beginning, again...maybe that is where you need to be, where God comes in...and I didn't see anything about your emotional health...unless you meant the stress to be all encompassing...stress physically, emotionally, mentally or spiritually?

My desire has been for you to have this clear voyage, where you see everything, and know you're choosing it...what's yours?

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Hi, LA

The sincere question in your last post made me do some really deep serious thinking/searching...while didn't find answer , " what is your payoff in waiting?" do feel I've found places to help me find the answer & begin journey. ( If you know answer please provide if)

Also in your last post stated...."helping yourself is what you were here for" --I need to clarify this..I actually came to MB site for magic pill, etc. to get my WH back & save my marriage, not to "fix/help myself" as didn't think I needed that! You have shown me that I do need it & that I need to take care of myself first..just taken me this long to agree <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> imagine that! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thanks to you know that I need to work on boundaries so ordered the book & workbook "Boundaries" by Cloud/Townsend
(have ones for marriage,but think these may be better for me when I am at moment)
Someone sent me book entitled " What To Do When Your Spouse Says 'I Don't Love You Anymore'" by David Clarke, PhD. based on Matthew 18.
I'm also rereading "The Dance of Anger"
While trying to dejunk/declutter house, remembered & found site that's really helped me..Flylady.net...with plan of action.

Another site that looks like will be helpful is Joy2meu.com
that I strongly identify with even though don't agree with some of his beliefs..it does deals/explains with alot of things you have mentioned.

You are right..I do feel like I'm back at the beginning, again...where I need to be, God has put me. In some ways, I have come a long way & others not moved at all.

My emotional health is better, thanks to AD's & my mental health as I realize what I do/do not control over, get house in order, if very, very slowly, it's OK.

Hope I've made some sense.
I value you & your thoughts,questions,insights, etc. and know I will be posting my questions, thoughts, etc wanting you advise, feedback, etc..

Thanks for caring & being here..means alot to know you are here with me look forward to you reply


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(((Tgal!)))

How great to see you again. Great to hear you're in a healthy emotional and mental place. And I'm grateful you came back here...'cuz I missed you.

We've been making progress ourselves in the decluttering of our house...and seeing you here again reminds me I, too, have a ways to go.

We got new carpet throughout (great way to get a lot of stuff out, I think), except I still have some boxes I put stuff in that I need to unload and reload with an eye to getting rid of it.

How's your bodily health? Your neck and energy levels?

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I'm bumping this time...

I'm in my DH's Broncos sweatshirt, my sign of support, while he's upstairs with YS having a raucous time (from what I hear)...hoping you'll come back soon and post.

After the game, we're off to get haircuts, spend UA time...and I don't think I'll be back here until tomorrow morning.

So, a bump...a long, windy one...for you, Tgal.

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LA...

Hope you are doing OK...you are in my prayers.

This , which is will bring you almost up to date on my journey. I am a work in progress.

As I said - have lot to tell you about my journey; what has been revealed to me & I have learned - not sure where to start so will just jump in, hoping that we both can make sense of it! I am still processing most of it ! Bear with me, please!
( might want to get your favorite beverage,& find comfortable chair, before going any further -Ha!Ha!)

As you know last 2 yrs ( as of 12/18/06 ) have been the most trying & difficult for me - came very close to losing it, having nervous breakdown or whatever want to call it.
Struggled with "why"; "what I did/didn't, should've/shouldn't have done, etc".
From start felt God's hand on it. knowing that everything happens for reason, & in God's timing, but unable to understand,& being very impatience!.

In beginning trying to find answers, I believe it was Him that finally lead me to website, where I learned that WH had almost all signs of being in Mid-life crisis, even down to things he said was like he was reading from a script!
Believe very strongly in marriage vows I took & since told this was about him, not me, decided I would stand & try all I could to save, restore marriage & if ended would have to be WH that did it - wouldn't be on my head.
Websites referred to others with more information & Christian guidance /advice - most all of which advised working on & taking care of me! Another thing that all I read said was that was no excuse / justification for affair that I needed to figure & own what/how I contributed
To me this was saying that in some way this was my fault, I caused it, etc. Well I could NOT believe that ! [ I now understand that I did contribute ]
To my thinking if he had problems he should have stated them in way that was easy & clearly be understood, but he hadn't. In fact still refuses to discuss with me as well as denying that WH & OW are anything but "just good friends/dance partners" "!
Another that several advised was exposing the affair to family, friends, etc. but since I had promised WH I would not discuss with others, so felt must honor my promise. After learning about exposing, I prayed that if / when was what God wanted that He show me that it was according to His word. Shortly after that I got book entitled, "What To Do When Your Spouse Says, 'I Don't Love You Anymore'"by David Clarke, Ph.D. with advise / action plan based on Matthew 18 & especially verses 15-20. Now I prayed that if this was His will He provide me with the words

Despite this advice - continued trying to figure out & look for answers - some "magic pill" to restore his love for me & marriage

One thing that really took my mind off it all & I was/am really excited about - was us wanting to get house back as like it was when moved in.
Only really been last few months that I have been taking all that advise - to work on & take care of me !

However, even though I am good at analyzing what needs to be done & organizing it into steps - when I thought about what all needed to be done was just overwhelming & I didn't know where to start so became paralyzed, doing very little or nothing & becoming very frustrated!
Again I believe God lead me to website called "FlyLady" end of July.
[ see enclosures for brief description of her system / ideas or if have chance check out website at FlyLady.net then on left hand side of site click on & read all of "Why Fly" & browse "Table of Contents"]
(FLYing - stands for Finally Loving Yourself" which I need to do!)
I identified with almost she said immediately, seeing & understanding myself in ways hadn't before. ..Especially after reading her book "Sink Reflections" & also one that was bases & helped her develop her system, " Side Tracked Home Executives - SHE's" b

Admit not done near as well as could/should, as still have trouble with procrastination /perfectionism ,but am working on it.
Trying to remember "I CAN do anything for 15 minutes!" & actually do it !! Have to as Thanksgiving is just little more than 2 weeks away & will need to have dining room/table cleared out !!

I had prayed for help w/ DS. Knew I needed some boundaries, but no idea how to set them even after reading book on how, as didn't give step by step. In doing a search on line about something else as I remember, one of the results was "Joy2MeU" which peaked my curiosity. Over next few weeks read alot on site, identifying with alot said, but also having enough discernment to feel that wasn't God based even though man writing it was recovering drinker. Couple of articles on site were "Characteristics of Adult Children of Alcoholics & other Characteristics of Codependency.
both of which hit me right between the eyes. ( See enclosures with same titles - I highlighted ones that really seem to "speak" to me)

About this time I also was lead to another sites http://www.cloudtownsend.com/index.html dealing with Boundaries & other issues but in God based way.

Also, I had been praying that God would reveal to me what purpose was for this journey I'm on & why.
Answer came in truly unexpected way. One Saturday night there wasn't much on TV I found interesting or that I hadn't seen so was flipping thru channels & came to find Christian program with lady, Paula White saying we all had purpose & need to keep our focus on God. I immediately felt this was answer to my prayer of why ..I realized that I had put Terry ahead of God, worshipping him in alot of ways & was God's way of bringing me back to Him!

Shortly after that first night, DD called after I'd gotten home on Friday & wanted to go to Lakewood church to hear lady she had seen on TV - Joyce Meyers peach. We were few minutes late, but made it in time. Her talk that night was about how God speaks to us - that He rarely spoke to us in a audible voice which I admit I was wanting/expecting & something I'd prayed about.

I am not one to watch religious channels, but since that first night am drawn at different times to them & each time when watch have something important revealed to me that I needed &/or had prayed about.

Some of which is:
That I must put God first in my life daily
That we have no responsibility /control for/of anyone but ourselves! Never understood was what God wanted for us.
Our anger is usually signal that some thing is not right.
I had always believed in the Golden Rule - "do onto others as you would have them do unto you"... that's what I expected from others & that is not what it says.
I must forgive & thank WH before I can move on; learn more

I am better mentally most days but do take antidepressants when feel need for them, without feeling crazy or guilty.
Physically had have alot of discomfort from my neck/shoulders helps when I can get someone to rub medicine on my neck & shoulders, but that isn't always possible so instead take pain medicine when needed.
Just before Thanksgiving learned I do have skin cancer on my nose & chin that will have to be removed.
I am trying very had to "let go & let God" as know from experience that He has never shut door that one hasn't been opened elsewhere that was to a better place...just have to keep reminding myself of it at times! Know that the fear, uncertainty is not from God.
To listen for His voice & heed His direction for path I am to take...that it be His will & not mine and in His timing.

I do feel at some point soon I will do several things as have already felt lead, to send WH series of letters depending on his response to each
1. admitting my part, forgiving him for his betrayal, adultery, lying, etc. & see if willing to get counseling ;etc.
2. asking him to agree to no contact with OW for 90Day trial to move back & to address some of the "petty & infantile" issues & our "few little problems" ;admit his affair, etc. for closure whether get back together or not;
3. written agreement for his to sign & have notarized stating all things he has said he would provide for me;
4. email letter to all square dancers/callers exposing his & Wendy's true relationship / affair;
5. email/letter to family exposing WH & OW's true relationship / affair, with proof & how I feel about their no contact with me after all years in family
just waiting for all right words which I believe will come when God's timing is right ( I've been given some of words already )

Will have Thanksgiving dinner here, but will be late, around 5-6pm since DD will have to work that day.
WH mentioned that family in Louisiana is trying to get Petsy (his mother) to go there for Thanksgiving, so no idea what their plans are
For most of last 28 yrs had Thanksgiving/Christmas here,& she would come weekend before to stay, visit & help.
Will let WH know my plans & he/his family are welcome if want to come, but I am not getting my hopes up or allow their plans to ruin day for me & kids!.

I found website called FreeCycle which is nationwide with group in Humble/Kingwood. Their purpose is :
about keeping things out of the landfill.
giving away something that has no use in our life anymore to someone who could extend its usefulness a little longer.
about giving as gifts to people while clearing out our own clutter.
about creating, building, and sustaining an environmentally aware community.
Offering Items We No Longer Need to Those Who Need Them
One main rule: Everything posted must be free, legal, and appropriate for all ages
So I'm excited about finding site as won't have to pay to have alot of stuff from my decluttering/dejunking stuff hauled off & will go to someone who wants it & can use it!

Also excited & very impatience about getting house ready for Holidays. Just need to stay off computer & get my fanny moving 15 minutes at time!! Most of all remember that it won't happen overnight !

Already started on some - the top oven (bigger of two) hasn't worked in last few years. Told WH need to get it fixed & had a time limit in my mind & when WH didn't meet it had it replaced. Also want to get new white or stainless steel range vent hood over stove top range to replace the awful avocado green one have now!]

Bought new light fixtures for over vanity in hall bath & new faucet for sink. Also. will get light fixtures for master vanity & 2 up floor lamp for each side of bed ( $8.00 each at Wal-Mart !).
Will ask him to install new faucet along with new dead bolt & door knob got for front door before Thanksgiving, which he hasn't mentioned or done so will arrange to have those done before Christmas as well &( unless he specifically ask will not give him a new key)
Would also like for him to take his recliner as think would make easier to rearrange furniture in living area. If doesn't take it will think about selling it & using money toward new oven/vent hood or maybe something else.

Also after holidays want to fix up master bedroom for me.
Looking into seeing if can get regular mattress to fit in wood bed frame to replace waterbed mattress have now that is old & needs replacing. Think regular mattress would be better for my neck, shoulders & back. Already got several sets new sheets, comforter, bath rugs, hand towels, etc. Will just wash drapes have now & hope they hold together until I can get to dejunking/decluttering my craft room so can get to sewing machine & make new curtains for it. I was alittle discouraged about my lack of progress with this for holidays, until I realized that I had in fact managed to get the 3 major living areas & main bath done. ( have few bags of stuff that need to take to donate, then are done) Will still need to do detailed dejunking/decluttering in areas hidden, like desk drawer, kitchen drawers, pantry, end tables, etc. but have accomplished way more than I thought!!! I am proud of myself !!!

For while now each week have been trying to buy at least one item off my "Want/Wish list" for house. Now also adding a Christmas gift of two as well. Figure that way won't be such big chunk spent all at once!

As you might have figured out by now, I have just about come to terms with fact that WH is mostly likely NOT coming back. Admit that isn't what I still hope/pray for, but I must go on with life & make best of it. Prepare for worst, but hoping & praying for best!"
Try to take each day as it comes & live each to fullest & best I can.
Work on myself & my relationship with God!
Presently reading Boundaries & Boundaries-Face to Face, which are big help

As always, looking forward & want & hope for your comments, suggestions, and criticism, whatever.
Just hope all by babbling & rambling has made alittle bit of sense.
I learned from little book given to me while back that my coping style is both by mulling things over privately & then talking them out, so since don't have anyone nearby I trust to talk them out with ( except DD & not fair to burden her) this is next best way I have of doing that...letters to myself !!

Have wonderful evening!


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Hiya, TGal!

Great to see you again.

Our lives are coinciding, too...we are refinancing and the appraiser is coming tomorrow...so we're clearing out more stuff, too.

LOL

I think it's fantastic that you pulled together the resources you needed to help you rearrange, act for your own desire (the house)...and post here again.

I would greatly enjoy you sharing what you're learning about boundaries...would help many, I believe, and me.

I can't believe you have been sleeping on a waterbed this whole time...I never thought to ask...but yes, I believe you'd do your spine a great favor in replacing THAT item.

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Might even get some great dreams out of it.

As far as WH helping out with the house repairs...please stop asking. You hire someone to fix the upper oven...if it's too much and you want to replace it, you decide. Send a copy of the bill to WH. Same for all the other stuff. Because when he says he will and doesn't, he's choosing not to...don't keep asking, expecting, and getting that whole disappointment and resentment cycle continued. Break it.

You are seeing your own power...and I believe that's what you have not seen all your life...God gave you, TGal, this power...and has gently, relentlessly, brought you around to it again and again...until you got what he gave all of us, so you can connect directly to him, intimately and joyously.

Have you made inroads on seeing where you reject yourself and feel that rejection through WH? How about acceptance?

Did I miss in your update where DS was residing now?

And why would you think you sharing who you are with your DD would ever be a burden?

You're beautiful, TGal...get to know your own beauty, 'k? See every act you've been taking to learn and find out...connect your own dots...as an act of love for yourself, your life...acknowledge and praise yourself, too, TGal...so self knows you're aware and full of love, acting on your choice to love.

Can you make it part of your goal to act from your love to consistently post these letters to yourself? And re-read them...to ferret out the self-judgment, the sneaky put downs and understand what you do to yourself? You're gonna be loved, anyway.

I know you know that. What happened with the plan to find an IC or an MC who does IC, too?

Are you singing while you do your plans in the house? Are you putting on beloved music and dancing your way through your craft room?

I'm picturing that and smiling for you. Now, I'm going to go do a bit of cleaning for myself...and the judge coming tomorrow...I know he's not a judge...but...what the heck.

Oh, and we're refinancing back to 30yr loan on the house...we refi'd two years ago when we were going to divorce...so I'm delighted to do this...to dance my way through...and yes, I'll be groaning from my stiff back when I bend over, and then chuckling at my own groan as I straighten back up.

Heehee...back up.

You are living today, TGal...you are. All yours, today...every day. Find your joy, admire yourself...love that proud of yourself sentence you wrote...know your own changes...relish them...because you're worth it. You always have been...and you're getting closer with each choice to knowing it into your own bones.

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"I would greatly enjoy you sharing what you're learning about boundaries...would help many, I believe, and me"

Yes, I'll share what I'm learning about boundaries - so far I've learned that at some point I gave up / let go of mine since too upsetting, frustrating to enforce them. Since I've been reading "Boundaries" & "Boundaires -Face to Face" whenever I've had alittle free time , so will need to read 'em again when can truly concentrate on material. So far the main thing I am learning is that I have NO CONTROL OF or RESPONSIBLITY FOR / TO anyone but my self !! For me this is HUGE !!! Maybe I'll start new thread " TxGal's Boundaries Lessons Learned" --what you think ???

"I can't believe you have been sleeping on a waterbed this whole time"
No, I've slept on twin size bed/sofa w/ regular mattress since light sleeping H, kept waking up
due to my snoring.

In some of web surfing found these & had really profound "Aha" moment...these are some things I feel I really need to work on.....it was wonderful to realize & understand alot of things.

My Characteristics of Adult Children of Alcoholics & Codependency
*Isolation, fear of people, and fear of authority figures.
*Difficulty with identity issues related to seeking constantly the approval of others.
*Frightened by angry people and personal criticism
*Perpetually being the victim and seeing the world from the perspective of a victim.
*An overdeveloped sense of responsibility-doing "right" thing. Concerned about the needs of others to the degree of neglecting my own wants and needs. This is a protective behavior for avoiding a good look at myself and taking responsibility to identify and resolve my own personal difficulties.
*Feelings of guilt associated with standing up for your rights. It is easier to give into the demands of others
*guess at what normal is
*judge themselves without mercy.
*have difficulty having fun.
*take themselves very seriously.
*overreact to changes over which they have no control.
*constantly seek approval and affirmation.
*feel that they are different from other people.
*are extremely loyal, even in the face of evidence that loyalty is undeserved.
*Low self-esteem. A tendency to judge myself harshly and be perfectionistic and self-critical.
*Strong dependency needs and terrified of abandonment
*Afraid that others will find out what I am are really like, etc.
*Tendency to react to things that happen versus taking control and not being victim to the behavior of others or situations created by others.
*A chameleon. A tendency to be what others want you to be instead of being yourself. A lack of honesty with yourself and others.
*My good feelings about who I am stem from being liked by you and receiving approval from you
*If I am not aware of something, I assume (I don't ask or verify in some other way).
*My fear of your anger and rejection determines what I say or do
*As I involve myself with you, my social circle diminishes
*guess at what normal is
*judge themselves without mercy.
*have difficulty having fun.
*take themselves very seriously.
*overreact to changes over which they have no control.
*constantly seek approval and affirmation.
*feel that they are different from other people.
*are extremely loyal, even in the face of evidence that loyalty is undeserved.
**Exhaustion: Allowing yourself to become overly tired. Not following through on self-care behaviors of adequate rest, good nutrition, and regular exercise. Good physical health is a component of emotional health. How you feel will be reflected in your thinking and judgment.
**Impatience: Things are not happening fast enough for you. Or, others are not doing what you want them to do or what you think they should do.
**Argumentative: Arguing small insignificant points which indicate a need to always be right.
**Depression: Overwhelming and unaccountable despair may occur in cycle. If it does, talk about it and deal with it. You are responsible for taking care of yourself.
**Frustration: With people and because things may not be going your way. Remind yourself intermittently that things are not always going to be the way that you want them.
**Self-Pity: Feeling like a victim, refusing to acknowledge that you have choices and are responsible for your own life and the quality of it.
**Complacency: Not working with the commitment that you started with. Having a little fear is a good thing..
**Expecting Too Much From Others: "I've changed, why hasn't everyone else changed too?" You can only control yourself. It would be great if other people changed their self-destructive behaviors, but that is their problem. You have your own problems to monitor and deal with. You cannot expect others to change their lifestyle just because you have.
**Letting Up On Discipline: Daily inventory, positive affirmations, meditation, prayer. This can come from complacency and boredom. take responsibility-talk about it and problem solve it. Sometimes you must accept that you have to do some things that are the routine for a better life.


"Have you made inroads on seeing where you reject yourself and feel that rejection through WH? How about acceptance?"
I see where I reject myself, but not sure about "feeling that rejection thru WH".

"Did I miss in your update where DS was residing now?"
No didn't..he's still here Working slowly but surely on that for new year.

"And why would you think you sharing who you are with your DD would ever be a burden?"
I do share with her alot, but know she has her own issues, difficulties w/ her daughter right now. and I need to be there to listen, be her sounding board.
In fact as of yesterday - things got much worse for her, due to her bad choices --
A month or so ago she admitted she had problem w/ drinking/was an alcoholic, stopped drinking for several weeks, even going to AA meeting, but was discouraged w/ meeting as only old men, not very friendly, supportive, etc. Then this Friday night after been drinking drove car into tree, crushing bones in her right foot, which will need to be operated on [ no insurance] as well as splitting her nostril requiring stitches. Won't be able to walk w/o crutches for while, so doubt she'll be able to drive or work. Really mess!

"What happened with the plan to find an IC or an MC who does IC, too?"
Got put on the back burner for now until get skin cancer removed. In mean time am doing research to find a Christian based one that believes along lines of MB principles. & if insurance covers any of cost or will not be able to afford one.

"Are you singing while you do your plans in the house? Are you putting on beloved music and dancing your way through your craft room?"
You must have your ESP working as I do try to remember to put on music when I'm cleaning / dejunking/decluttering, as if I put TV I will sit & watch it instead of doing things need to do. [ Do same thing when I read or play on computer--do it to exclusion of everything else]
I love to sing, but alas, I sing so far off key am almost on key..so only do that when I'm alone in house. Ha!Ha!

Don't try to do it all at one time -- do it 15 minutes at time for 45 minutes, then rest for 15 minutes.
It's alot more fun that way, especially when see how much really do get done in just short time!
I have 3 containers - laundry basket, box, trash can or whatever line each w/ plastic bag & label them "Put Away", "Throw Away" & "Give / Donate Away" Other thing I do is take plastic trash bag & find 27 things to "Throw Away" & "Give / Donate Away" in 15 minutes! Try these - they've helped me alot! Goal is to have left only things that you love or make you feel good !!

I am so grateful & appreciate you LA ! Thanks for being such a blessing to me & other here!


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What a delight it is for me to know you got to where your real responsibilty was...and you embraced it! Gives me a surge, again, like I had when I realized this...of freedom. True freedom.

And I vote for you singing loudly, off key, wrong words and all...as loudly as you want...so you can hear and embrace your own voice...catch yourself comparing what is truly, incomparable...great way to get oxygen into us, our soul exposed and rejoice in our ability to sing at all.

Then get to the point where even when DS is in the house, you sing...it is more acceptance and validation you do for yourself, for your family intimacy...than you can know yet...sharing who you are isn't about judgment...it's about the sharing.

I'm very much a fan of letters to myself...writings, journaling..blips. I have come to believe that what I share are statements...not sounding boards...because I, like you, very much spoke until I got to my point...aloud, to others. Now I make it more sharing...statements aloud of what I'm thinking about, feeling, believing and perceiving...total ownership is not a burden. Sharing does not wear down...I'm not asking for anything when I share...and that gets me in the mindset of not fixing when I'm shared with...the more I choose to do it, the less my fixer/pleaser tries to kick in.

I believe in the music when we are doing for ourselves, because music is connective...and when you're decluttering/sorting, you're doing that on the outside, in your environment, and I believe, on your inside as well...connecting to self...open to hearing your own thoughts, feeling your feelings (not trying to escape them or push them down...just to know them, trace them)...and discovering, not judging.

When will you get your skin cancers removed? I thought about that as I was cleaning my shower (where I went after I posted), and thought, "I neglected to respond to that." How do you feel? Got an idea of any fears? Sounds more like you know that these are common and as long as you stay vigilant, they aren't going to become something life-threatening. Another way to look at them is through awareness (upping it) and boundaries...letting the sun cross too much over into your own domain.

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I have some experience through co-workers with this...going along with them over the years through their removal, check up, upkeep...various ages, too. Much older than you and a little younger.

Sounds like you're doing much better with the internal sorting...seeing your DD's choices and consequences as separate from you, from your fixing, not removed from your empathizing...great chance to positively reinforce you KNOW she can handle this, how much you believe in her and remembering when you've made choices you didn't like the consequences for...and how you amended...

Please don't buy into her aversion for AA...because she was supposed to go to several different meetings her first week, to find for herself the group that resonated inside her...even if the first one did, right off...they advise and encourage exploring many different meetings. Have you considered Al-Anon, btw?

You're exploring your own stuff from being an adult child...I found Al-Anon as a great resource for these same things that you listed...and your relationship with your DD qualifies you to go, as well as your father or mother.

Now to priorities...seems like the house is way up there, your own health...so I asked about the IC because of priorities...would you consider selling the house, downsizing greatly, to just you, so you could afford the IC, the medical care you require and nights for Al-Anon time? Not watching tv really freed my life to live it when I was in crisis and even, when I was not...just wondered if you'd share with me what you really want, your heart's desires, and we could align them to additionally free you.

Good to know you weren't sleeping on the waterbed all this time! I'm all for replacing that bed. And taking back your own space in the master bedroom. It's yours.

I love your three-bag idea...sounds fun going for a goal of items in 15 minutes. I was just on my 15 minute break from my third 15 minutes today...oops, I hit the alarm and now it's 30 in my reply to you!! ROFL

And did you include a little gratitude to YOU for posting again? Hmmm? 'Cuz I gotta tell you...without you, I can't share with you.

LOL -- it's true!

I've missed you and wondered about you. Wondering if you're finding just how significant you really are...as is...not for your doing, believing or wishing...for your very being.

To address a lot of those things you're working on listed above, have you considered "Healing The Shame That Binds Us" by John Bradshaw?

And when you feel like lagging, breaking your goal schedule...would you please do 15 minutes for me? Picture me cheering you on, hugging and singing with you? Pretend I have a great soprano voice instead of my bumbling alto one...and I get the harmony, 'k?

((((TGal)))) I feel such joy in seeing you here again. Thank you!

LA

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