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Orchid #1658917 05/14/06 07:09 AM
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lol, Orchid What a...visual...analogy!


Me - BS DDay 1 (Multiple affairs while overseas) - Feb 2003 DDay 2 (AdultFriendFinder Profile) - April 2007 Seeing a counselor. I think we have him stumped.
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Thanks, Mulan.

I'll offer that a Gaslighter may also be described in The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout.

(another poster mentioned this book recently and it reminded me of it)

Caution, don't read it unless you want to read about your WS.

WAT

worthatry #1658919 05/24/06 01:01 PM
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I am going to preface this with a disclaimer that this is going to seem anti man, however it is NOT, it is for men, women & children, simply change the gender to apply it to your situ.


How can his voice drown out your inner knowing?

The abuse only happens when you're alone with him. Friends and coworkers might think he's a prince, so you doubt your own perceptions or believe his anger must be your fault.

Verbal abuse escalates gradually; you adapt. (The abuse might also become physical.) He's Jekyll and Hyde, with just enough sweet times to keep you hoping the relationship will improve.

Assuming he's rational (aren't all men?) and wants what you want (loving mutuality), you strain to make sense of what he says. But it's nonsense, designed to confuse you. The shocking truth is, he seeks control, not intimacy.

Yet you can save your spirit. Evans maps out the steps to emotional rescue:
  • Recognize that the abuse has nothing to do with you or your actions or qualities.

    Stop trying to explain and defend yourself. Instead, start setting limits: "Cut that out!" or "I don't want to hear that."

    Listen carefully to your feelings. Believe them, not him.

    Get support from a counselor or therapist. Make sure she understands that this isn't just a "conflict" or an "argument."

    Keep in mind that an abuser might be able to change himself if he really wants to—but you can't change him. You can honor and nurture yourself.



Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. How many women think of that schoolyard rhyme while reeling from a partner's put-downs or angry outbursts? The rhyme's a lie, says Patricia Evans, author of The Verbally Abusive Relationship—the book that helped change Brandy's life. Cruel words can do worse than break bones: They can break your spirit, cripple your confidence, even make you physically ill.

"This can happen to any woman, with any family background or career," she says. "It's happened to psychologists, lawyers, doctors, teachers, Web designers, mommies—even the director of a women's shelter." A woman falls into the trap because the abuse takes her by surprise. "He isn't abusive while he's courting you," Evans says. "But once he gets you, he switches—and you have no idea why."



Seven Signs You're In A Verbally Abusive Relationship

A checklist that woke up Brandy:


  • 1. He seems irritated or angry with you several times a week. When you ask why he's mad, he either denies it or tells you it's in some way your fault.

    2. When you feel hurt and try to talk with him, the issues never get resolved. He might refuse to discuss your upset feelings by saying "You're just trying to start an argument!" or claiming he has no idea what you're talking about.

    3. You frequently feel frustrated because you can't get him to understand your intentions.

    4. You're upset—not so much about concrete issues like how much time to spend together, but about communication: what he thinks you said and what you heard him say.

    5. You sometimes think, "What's wrong with me? I shouldn't feel so bad."

    6. He seems to take the opposite view from you on almost everything, and his opinion isn't stated as "I think," but as if you're wrong and he's right.

    7. You can't recall saying "Cut it out!" or "Stop it!"



Hugs to anyone who has found it necessary to read to this one.

With thoughts that you know your own value, worthiness that you & your feelings, thoughts & expressions DO Matter as a person simply deserving of love & respect, care & nurturance, healthy & whole.
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Thanks Mulan

I now realize this is me. Darn FWW does all of this. Now what. She is the Crazy that tries to convince me I am crazy.

BTW physical abuse is not just for women anymore. I had my FWW thrown in jail for hitting me. Difference was the cops tried to talk me out of having her arrested even though when I called 911 she had me in a choke hold. No damage done to me because she only weighs 100 pounds. I refused to hit or push her because I don't believe in violence.

Triangulation was explained to me differently. Stupid MC's. My MC said it was bringing something or someone into an argument or a disagreement when it has no relevance. For example FWW says why didn't you do the dishes and I say because Bob never does the dishes at his house. Bob is a thrid party that has no bearing on our relationship. Maybe the reason Bob doesn't do the dishes is because he cooks dinner. Or if FWW gets mad at me and I say well you had an A so leave me alone.


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3 boys 12, 8 and a new baby


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{Bump}

It's been about a year since this thread was initiated and I think it bears a review. I see gaslighting techniques being used from time to time against some recent posters on MB and this thread is extremely illuminating.

LH

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I was just thinking about this yesterday!! The word "gaslighting" just popped into my mind....people here have mentioned it before but I think Plan B has allowed me to see it more clearly for what it is. And it's not just WH who engages in this, BTW..

Thanks, LH. I don't have time to read the whole thing right now, but it deserves another bump...

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THIS IS EXACTLY MY WH. He actually had me thinking it was all my fault, and that I was crazy! Then I don't know what happened, but I realized it was him. I just didn't know there was a term for it!

It is scary to be with someone like this.


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Then the time came
When the risk it took
to remain tight in a bud
Was more painful than
the risk it took to blossom.

-Anais Nin
holymoly #1658924 05/11/07 12:25 PM
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It's a scary, manipulative thing to do to anyone whether the manipulater does it consciously or not. On the other hand, it's not at all effective once you understand what's happening, right? When you can anticipate it, you can find the words to counter the technique.

Stay strong, okay?

Longhorn #1658925 05/11/07 12:35 PM
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Absolutely Longhorn...once I figured it out, and like I said I don't really know what happened to give me the aha moment...he couldn't do it to me anymore. IMO, this was one of the reasons HE feels the marriage was failing. HM stopped taking the blame.

It will be interesting to see if he tries to fix this when/if we reconcile.


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Then the time came
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Was more painful than
the risk it took to blossom.

-Anais Nin
holymoly #1658926 05/11/07 12:42 PM
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Great, HM. The road will undoubtedly get bumpy here and there, but you've set the stage for some honest communication instead of the one-sided dictation that was occurring before. There are no guarantees, but now there's at least a chance.

Good luck and best wishes, Lady.

Longhorn #1658927 05/11/07 12:47 PM
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It is just like Dr Phil's saying

You teach other people how to treat you. Or something like that..It is so true.


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Then the time came
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