and I'm still not going to pee in the shower.

Yes Professor Pio,

I do realize that x is a variable. And I took HS algebra in the sixth grade. I used to be very smart. Well, that's a long story that I don't remember very well...

Anyway, I used x because I could not remember (there's the "R" word again!) how many months it called for.

Algebra shmalgebra.

Actually, it's the only part of math I even remotely understood.

Trust me, bread bags leak. At least American bread bags do. Maybe it is different in SA... Besides, it really makes the bread soggy. And ruins the flavor I might add.

When we had our dog we used bread bags to scoop her poop.

It involves putting the bread bag on your hand, picking up the poop, inverting the bread bag and tying the end.

Once, Rob threw the bread bag of poop at me (in fun not in anger). If it had hit me there would have been no fun and plenty of anger. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes I realize you used to be very smart. Unfortunately now you are only smart in the posterior region.

As for the twisty ties, I think gemela must remove them in the supermarket checkout line. They can't survive ten minutes in our house. I put on replacements and the replacements disappear. What is wrong with the freaking fold and tuck!?!?!?

Jen,

Do you know who Jerry Seinfeld is? He had a long running sitcom called "Seinfeld".

He has a standup routine in which he says if aliens could see humans walking their dogs and picking up their poop, who would they think is the superior being?

Fold and tuck does not work. Fold and tuck is messy and just doesn't work.

Don't you have those little plastic square thingys. They are better than twist ties. Twist ties are a complete PITA.

BTW I am still VERY smart and not in the posterior region.

Sometimes I am a smart in the posterior region.

My comment was for ToddAC and he is smart enough to know it.

The plastic square technology has not reached the Middle East. Just as the pop top can technology is still the pull off variety here. twist-off bottle tops have not gotten here either.

BTW, the plastic square is NOT as good as the twisty tie. It did fail in my relative humidity experiments. The plastic square cannot maintain as good a seal as a twisty tie and, more importantly, it can allow a fairly high rate of ant permeation. And unfortunately the ants prefer the white part over the green fuzzy part so they provide no appreciable benefit.

P,
Ironically my H divulged some truths about a past "friend" that I knew in my gut was more than that...this discussion was all while we were doing some chores together which is the first time in 7 months that we have done anything around the house together. H had been providing lots of personal info about present sitch and I guess based on my reactions felt safe to answer my question about this "friend" of 4 years that has been geographically separated from H for 2yr but still has some contact with. I winced, teared up, said thanks for the validation, admitted it still hurt and sucked it up.

I know if I want any more truth then it is all hinging on my reaction to this info...kinda like a lithmus test. I've always told H that I'm a big girl and can handle the truth...said it was the most important thing to me and necessary to try to recover this mess of what we have. I must say it makes me sick, I feel all the old initial feelings of the "just found out" phase. This has been a series of sitches in our M but H never would address, only deny. Could we be turning a corner? I don't know.

I have to agree with Shatterd's view on the lies. I know that although I didn't have angry outbursts I did place judgements and reactions to any negative truths revealed over the course of M and per H made him feel like I was a parent or warden and not peer...eventually anything he knew I would not agree with he would lie about even as simple as spending $5 on something if he knew I wouldn't approve.

I have always been the responsible one in the M. H loves to spend $ which has been big issue and most of the lies revolve around $ and OPs who don't judge H behavior and accept for what they see.

I've seriously thought that a separation for us was in order for me to be free of dealing with things and be able to proccess without constant insult and injury. I've requested H leave 3times and he refuses. Basically it is selfish of me but I too reached the point where I didn't care and felt I deserved the respite. Not fair to the kids.

I've professed so long and so much that all I wanted was honesty so now it is time for me to step up and deal with it. It is painful but I asked for it so I either need to deal with it in a positive manner if I want to try to recover or make a decision that I am done and don't want to invest any more emotional stock. If I choose the latter I need to own it. It may come to that but I am going to face the music and see if I am all that I said I was.

I don't know if the 5 month separation is your "respite" but considering G is giving you something to chew on I think I'd really consider Bigger's 2 wk option if you must be apart. I also like his philosphy of "one less lie today".

It all boils down to you, what you want and what you are willing and able to deal with. Just MHO.

It's funny, in our R talk, the discussion generally revolves around H's needs and me saying he needs to decide if he wants to stay in and rebuild etc which he says he does and says D is not opt for him. Curiously it has never been brought up that perhaps I would want out...does it ever occur to them that it could happen?

Many of our imports come from Australia. I hate the Oz imports that have twisty ties. The problem is that they twist in the wrong direction. All other imports twist in the right direction. Something to do with the Coriolis effect maybe. Dunno.

Maybe it doesn't. I don't think it would be part of a good Plan A. I think Plan B is where this thought process might come in to play. To be honest, Plan A is a hungry beast. I made a commitment to myself early on that I would deny myself those thoughts because they were too destructive.

I think it is only now that gemela may just be beginning to realize that she just can't ride this out. I hope she learns that anyway. Either way, I don't stand that much to lose. I can't keep on the way we are living.

Thanks for the comment about owning up to the truth. It is right. If I want the truth, I have to accept it as it is. I'll just try to remember Pavlov's dog.

It does occur to "us" that you would want out. In fact the times when my H has said "why am I bothering being married to you" are the times when I've know for sure that I want "in".

Pio, I don't know what gemela's truth is. I really don't.

and I never knew that the water going down the plughole thing the different way in the Southern Hemisphere had a name.

KiwiJ,
Thanks for the insight...what did you say to your spouse when things like that were said?

Hey, since KiwiJ period showed up, we quit talking about politics. That believer is to be believed!

I don't like the square plastic thingys. I like clamps. I have discussed my clamp collection before and won't put the group thru it again. But I use clamps on bread and chips. Cough drop bags, pretzels -- you name it, I clamp it.

A pipe clamp works wonders.

I still pee in the shower and refuse to stop.

No Professor Pio,

You have it backwards. Hey can I call you Professor Backwards? Do you know who he is?

Anyway, if the Ozzies abided by the Coriolis effect in their part of the world, they would twist the twisty tie thingy in a clockwise directin which is obviously the proper way. Maybe only in SA do they twist the twisty tie counter clockwise...

You've been gone too long.

For how much longer will "clockwise" have any coherent meaning. My children are growing up with digital clocks. Analog clocks are almost non-existent. We will have to come up with a new term.

What does water do at the equator? Must get really confused. How do toilets work at the equator? Anybody here from Ecuador?

I have seen the equator. Is that helpful?