Pio,

You almost always have an air of imperturbability about you. When it comes to our kids however, the barriers come down don't they?

I am sorry for what you are going through. Our kids are the soft spot of our hearts.

Well that's just great! Yet ANOTHER word I have to go look up!

BTW, abecedarian - is that a four humped camel?

Oh and ToddAC, don't trouble yourself on the perpetual motion thing. I pretty much have it sorted out. If I can just figure out how to keep the battery from running down all the time, I think I'm done.

So, tonight's topic for discussion is perpetual motion?

If you asked Rob he would say my inability to stop talking was a good description of perpetual motion.



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well believer, apparently "freedom" is not such a good thing after all.

Huh??? Are you referring to indifference? I'm smirking remembering the 3 legged dog stuff...my old friend had a 3 legged dog named Lucky...maybe somehow we are all lucky to experience this misery and grow from it. I just started a book called "The Places that Scare You: A guide to fearlessness in difficult times" by Pema Chodron. It is excellent and insightful.

I know for me if it weren't for my children I wouldn't have had the patience to hang in the way I am...it would be much easier to end it. I fear that this is like treating a gangrenous appendage: option 1- antibiotics, multiple dressing changes each day, lots of attention and care, long term healing, lots of pain and stink and could still possibly loose the appendage. Option 2- amputate immediately, grieve the loss and cope with life without the limb...initial severe pain but a quicker process with a definite outcome.

Picking option 1 means patience, fluctuations of healing, reinfection, healing, pain, backslides, progress, pain, patience etc...possibly salvage the appendage but may have chronic problems due to the initial injury possibly still have to amputate.

Or by freedom did you mean that H chose to stay? If so, I think there are multiple reasons why "freedom" is not so appealing at the present but don't want to make assumptions or judgements so I am just accepting the staying for what it is without any meaning until I see actions to show me why H is staying. He gave me his rationale but it is a mix of issues: primarily kids, $, "part of me still loves you", convenience, he wants to "be friends again"

I am impatient and am trying not to place any expectations or judgements based on past history...this is excrutiatingly difficult and is teaching me great skills in emotional restraint and mind control.

Aren't you glad you dropped that one liner????

BTW, if you kept your bikes in the house and G didn't have issues with that I have to say she is pretty tolerant and must have some great foundational building blocks that you guys could work with if you both end up trying to recover. Sounds like you both have strong personalities...just a guess!

Wow Pio,

Things have really gotten serious in your thread. I may have to take a sabbatical.

I invented a perpetual motion machne my junior year in HS. Won the district science fair.

But the U.S. Patent Office would not issue a patent. It seems that they don't believe that a PM machine is possible.

Dang panjandrums!

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Seriously, why don't you toss out some supportive geekspeak for me and then I wouldn't have to face reality????

Why do you think I keep butting in? I'm trying to avoid getting in touch with my pain rececptors! I'm sure you have some sound evidence-based techniques to offer up...just steer away from the scientific, try to keep it simple for me <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Pick a subject and I'll see what I can do.

kiwij dot com? net? what?

What is the periodic table when it is not a table?

An elemental coaster?

ToddAC,

go to sleep....SLEEP...

Why?

What are you talking about?

Uh, the only black cross that shows up? I am NOT talking about infidelity. I can't decide if I am indifferent toward indifference or I have indifference to being indifferent toward indifference. Is there a difference?

It is just indifferent if there's a difference or not.

PS: You guys are just too funny!Hope you don't mind me reading only.

Well, you know of my vision problems. Sorry, see no black cross. I am also color blind but just for clarity sakes, I see no red, blue, green, yellow, purple, white or any other color cross.

BTW, 2much wanted to read some non-scientific stuff.

Do you think Suzet* was truly mad or was she playing?

I am indifferent about not being indifferent. Does that count?