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piojitos #1687458 07/30/06 04:00 AM
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Why are we talking about this? The question was about Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

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Her hands were busy trying to tear my testicles off.

May I assume that you bought WW a one way ticket?

Where were the girls during the melee?

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For some reason a round trip ticket to Mexico costs $1500 and a one-way ticket costs $4000. Explain that one to me.

The girls saw all this. They were crying and screaming.

piojitos #1687461 07/30/06 04:19 AM
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For some reason a round trip ticket to Mexico costs $1500 and a one-way ticket costs $4000. Explain that one to me.

Considering what she tried to do, I would have considered the $2500 difference a sound investment. Why is it that way? Same reason you can fly from Boston to Miami for $99 and if you fly from Boston to Atlanta, it's $400. It's a peculiar industry.

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The girls saw all this. They were crying and screaming.

This breaks my heart.

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Me too. Me too.

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Same reason you can fly from Boston to Miami for $99 and if you fly from Boston to Atlanta, it's $400


Well that kinda makes sense because Boston to Miami is straight down. It doesn't take much fuel because gravity does all the work.

piojitos #1687464 07/30/06 04:26 AM
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So, it must cost a bundle to fly from Miami to Boston...

ToddAC #1687465 07/30/06 04:29 AM
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It probably would but, since nobody wants to go, it has never been calculated. Some people even think it is physically impossible given the thrust limitations of a standard jetliner. I have never done the math to know for sure. Maybe an F16 with a thrust to weight ratio greater than 1 and considering inflight refueling - Maybe.

piojitos #1687466 07/30/06 04:47 AM
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Can you imagine making the trip in a car?

I drove from Miami to Savannah and it took over three years.

ToddAC #1687467 07/30/06 05:38 AM
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I will be driving alone with DD's from Houston to Tulsa. I expect that will take about three years. I have every electronic device known to man to entertain the DDs on the way. I also have every charger/adapter/extra battery I can carry and I have every single children's DVD ever made ripped to MP4 and stored on my Archos AV-700.

piojitos #1687468 07/30/06 05:52 AM
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But at least you get to drive through the great state of Texas!

ToddAC #1687469 07/30/06 06:27 AM
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Now you just made me think about how sad I am going to be when I cross the Red River.

piojitos #1687470 07/30/06 08:40 AM
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There is a ride at WDW that Pio will surely take DD's on. You board a car of some kind and it goes through an area with puppets and all the disney stuff. The following song plays ad nausem. Seriously, the ride must take over four hours. I was insane when we finally emerged and I no longer had to hear the song.

Poor Pio...

It's a world of laughter
A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
And a world of fears
There's so much that we share
That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all

There is just one moon
And one golden sun
And a smile means
Friendship to ev'ryone
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small world after all

It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world

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Lived in FL but never made it to WDW b/c I insist that all 3 kids should be able to ride same rides to prevent having to go to Kiddie rides. We have about 2 inches to go before I can no longer use that as an excuse!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pio needs to take caution with his bites...human bites frequently cause bad infections...not sure how extensive but may call for some antibiotics...if they start getting red, hot, swollen, increased pain, fever etc...go get some tx ...you would have done better with an animal bite <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

About the giraffe poem...I think it is a statement of how courageous and risk taking the giraffe is...he is sticking his long neck out and not saying a word...

Todd you seem to be coping well in the face of nausea...it was the least favorite part of all my pregnancies...

I'm sure for you it will be well worth the outcome but how do you deal with it? Are you taking any Zofran or any of the newest meds to help?

Try this one with a friend...my H used to lovingly do this...as soon as we would get into the car he would make sure to take every circular path he could find, make quick stops and swerve at every opportunity...a very cheap version of WDW rides!!! LOL, I used to want to kill him...not so sure things have changed much <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

KiwiJ., I believe art is within us and interpreted differently by everyone...I see stuff that I would trash but someone pays a fortune for it...kinda like the whole beauty is in the eye of the beholder thing...

Well, can't stall anymore...gotta get the kiddos ready for church...always a huge struggle on Sundays...

Thinking of you all

Thanks for all the support, diversion and friendship...it sure makes these crazy days pass easier doesn't it?

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Three more hours. WW is a little sad. I asked why. She said she wants to come back. I reminded her how she said she hates it here. I told her that the love letters were pretty much it for me. Women who want to stay in a marriage don't keep love letters from the pool boy. I told her that we have agreed to a separation. Let's just see how it goes. Let's not make any decisions right now because if I have to decide right now - she never comes back.

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I'm just wondering why you fell in love with gemela to begin with. I probably have a skewed opinion of her (especially after seeing that shiney, posing, creepy pool boy with a penchant for grandma greeting cards), but do you two talk about anything but buying stuff and how she looks and her golf game and how people see her? Is there any depth there? Does she care about anything other than primping? Is she interested in art or music (Bon Jovi isn't music...), politics, women's issues, world events, anything? Could you have the kind of discussion with her that you have here with your pals?

This isn't so much about trashing gemela, but trying to find out what you're all about and why you chose her to begin with. That can help you to salvage this marriage if you decide to or to choose someone who can be more of a real companion to you the next time around.

Does gemela's dad know yet? He seems to condone her sister's adultery. Just wondering why he would be upset with her for the same thing. Does your SIL's OM have plenty of dollars? Is that why they accept it?

I wonder if she's thought about the life she would have with pool boy. I'm sure he can't afford much more than a counsel house in the UK -- a bit different from her country club lifestyle now. I hear the thrift stores are great in the UK... Not much of a shopper, myself... Shoes are very expensive here... Don't think pool boy could afford too many.

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I fell in love with gemela for her smile. She has the most beautiful smile and a wonderful, loving and warm heart. She is not too much into world events which is why I maintain my current EA with ToddAC. We talk about the girls. We used to have a lot in common. We do talk some about issues like we do here except for maybe quantum physics but then, she isn't perfect.

FIL does not know that SIL is not married AFAIK. They have maintained this secret very well. FIL certainly does not know about gemela's affair and I am sure she will not tell him. She will make up a good story.

MIL does not accept the adultery either. I can't begin to imagine how many candles have given their lives at the hands of MIL praying that somehow this will all work out. SIL's OM is an Argentine expat. He has four or five children back in Argentina with his wife. MIL accepts it because she is powerless to do anything else. FIL and MIL are divorced and never speak.

I am sure gemela has never thought about life with the pool boy other than a fairytail dream life. She had a British Airways Vacations travel book about York and Northern England. She said it was the only book they had. What a coincidence. I ripped it up. DD1 made a pinata out of it yesterday.

I was telling ToddAC in an email that surprisingly one of the biggest problems I seem to have right now that those cards made me lose respect for gemela. I had built up OM in my mind to be something special and wonderful. I read those cards and saw those pictures and I am just ashamed and embarassed for gemela. I may have acted like that in grade school but certainly not after. I see her A in a whole new light and it is not pretty. I am not the least bit angry about the cards. I laugh when I think about them. It is like finding out there is no boogey man hiding in the closet.

For the past year, I could never justify the affair. Now I can't even legitimize it. It has suddenly become surreal. Their cute little sign langauge they used every day at the pool. Give me a break. This is just playground puppy love.

I am sure that while she is in Mexico, she can look up at the sky and know that her star is shining along side his and that some day their dream will come true.

I wish I were a poet.

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I think you need to give this all some time to settle. It takes a while to digest a new twist, like the reality of OM and how it affects your opinion of gemela.

I also think that she just doesn't know how to even begin to deal with the mess -- either for herself and her inability to get over the OM and especially how to begin rebuilding with you. It seems that on many levels that you'd be intimidating to try to approach about this and she probably can't deal with it. If you decide to try to save your M, you're going to have to show her the path back and help her figure out what to do. Not exactly what any BH wants, but sometimes you have to suck it up in life. If she ends up back with you and you two can start to love each other again, it could be worth it. But, only you can decide how much you're willing to do to fix it.

I hope you find some answers on your trip and that it shakes up things enough that gemela finally starts getting it. Good luck.

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Todd you seem to be coping well in the face of nausea...it was the least favorite part of all my pregnancies...

I'm sure for you it will be well worth the outcome but how do you deal with it? Are you taking any Zofran or any of the newest meds to help?

2much,

You name a drug and there is a ninety percent probability that I am taking it. Amongst other things, the tumor scrambled my hormones which did this and did that so I take those meds and the other ones. But yes, I have script for Zofran. I have not filled it yet. I am ashamed to admit how many pills I take a day. Then there are patches and injections.

The nausea has not been pleasant. I have been eating licorice and crackers and drinking ginger ale. Otherwise, I am still on the infidelity diet. And the infidelity sleep plan I might add. And the infidelity depression plan.

Sorry, don't usually wallow in self-pity; just having a bad morning.

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I am going to have to get over those cards. I need time. They were a serious shock.

We both came to the conclusion that we needed time and that is why we decided to take the break. That plan is still valid. I am not letting the cards change the plan.

I guess I am hoping that gemela will find herself again. I think she has lost herself somehow somewhere. She needs to find out who she is again. I think MIL can help her do that.

I think I have sucked up quite a lot for the past year. I should change my screen name to Hoover. I have not given up but I am rapidly losing interest. Whether we get back together or not is somewhat time-dependent. I am not trying to predict the future. I just am at a really happy place right now in my own life. I killed the boogey man.

Now gemela needs to find a way to do the same thing. But first maybe she needs to decide who the boogey man really is.

Have you bothered to sort through any of the emails on the link in my sig line? I am curious because I have not gotten any feedback from any of that yet. I can't remember very well what all is there. I remember that it is not pretty.

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