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nams #1691598 10/02/06 04:08 PM
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Hi Todd, thanks for posting the lyrics. Did you like the song?

It's not asking too much if I'm willing to do the same, which I am. Wouldn't it be nice to feel that way again?

Hey there Kiwi, hope all is well.

Pio, I can picture the soccer games & boy does it make me chuckle. I can picture the girls sitting on the field & kicking the ball as hard as they can right into the goalie. Sounds like your daughter is taking this quite seriously. Good, maybe she'll be the next what ever her first name is Hamm.

Tonight I teach my one student so I should have a productive night. The more I do the more creative I feel. I have a show in Aug. & I want to have bucket loads of stuff.


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I just got back from taking my oldest to guitar lessons. I had to laugh Kiwi when your son made the comment about the Eagles appealing to 52 year old women, as if that's a BAD thing.

My son loves to play songs like Boston's More than a Feeling, Layla, Paint it Black, Green Bay, Pink Floyd & Black Sabbath.

He listens to lots of heavy metal & tries some of it out on me, some I like, but he loves the Eagles. He's 15.


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How about Eva Cassidy? Has anybody heard her music? She learned in gospel churches in, I think, Washington, DC. She died several years ago of skin cancer & her parents are releasing her work. She has a beautiful voice with a huge range.

How is your health Todd?


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Gotta go. I'll check back in when I get back from class. Maybe Luna, you will have taken my advice? I wasn't joking BTW.


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As far as I'm concerned, you can talk about SF all you want. It is a foreign concept to me and nothing that interests me. During my M to gemela, I was never ever attracted to another woman in the slightest. Gemela, OTOH, well...but now she has taken that away.

Please remember that I lei'ed two Russian woman last weekend. That's enough excitement for a few years.

Luna,

I think your problem is that it is Ramadan. During Ramadan, the locals are not supposed to think about SF. Of course, that just makes them think about it more. You aren't Muslim are you?

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Hi Todd, thanks for posting the lyrics. Did you like the song?

I like it a lot. The only part I don't like is the getting drunk. It seems so out of place with the rest of the song.

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It's not asking too much if I'm willing to do the same, which I am. Wouldn't it be nice to feel that way again?

It is not asking too much and yes it would be nice to feel that way. My life has been in a holding pattern for seemingly so long that I have lived in that, as Teddy Roosevelt put it, "gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

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I didn't know Boston sang Layla.

Black Sabbath? Have you heard their lyrics?

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Oh and thank you FF. You are a real star...or minus star...well thanks anyway. That made me happy.

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I recently read about the breakup of the Eagles. Sad story. I guess fame and money can corrupt. There have been lawsuits and counter lawsuits.

Pio,

Black Sabbath lyrics? Come on...

I am Iron Man.

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How is your health Todd?


I don't know. I will get my second post-treatment MRI in a week or two. My son has to keep up with it. Cannot track time very well right now. Hopefully, the second shows some progress. Or is that regress?

BTW, I just felt the need for a quick WW vent. When I met her for dinner last time, she noticed the scabs on my head. She was surprised and was curious as to what caused the sores. I explained to her that in order to immobilize your head for treatment, they install a frame on your head and fasten it to your head with screws. Plus, there is also the matter of radiation burning through your scalp. She responded: no really, what caused them? Completely in denial about everything these days.

stph20 #1691608 10/02/06 06:07 PM
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BTW bigk...you SUCK!!!! I knew you were going to do that to me. 10 more days shouldn't be TOO hard, but, I can't believe you think I'm going to be tempted to have SF with him Wednesday. That hurts...it really does. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> (JK, BTW)

Besides, shouldn't I be meeting ALL of his EN's???

ALL his needs EXCEPT SF. Your emotional, physical, mental health and wellbeing is more important than him getting his jollies.

Stef - I am sure you can see this is working. He is changing.

Meet any divorce talk with Reverse Babble - I posted you a link on reverse babble - use it on your wayward spouse.

Stef - This stuff is good and it is working. Your WS is being drawn back to you.

Avoid LB's, don't be needy and clingy.

This is the best news you've had for weeks!

And Yes - I know I suck. But YOU know I'm right.


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ToddAC #1691609 10/02/06 06:10 PM
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Hola a todas y todos,

Todas y todos: It's a local joke about the equal opportunity political discurse of 'modern' politicians in Mx, in their speaches they make a point to mention men and women which make their discurses even more repetitives.

Todd, it's so sad that she has not empathy towards you, was she always that way?
Todd is SF is your first need how did you manage to control your self when she appeared with pijama kit at your actual acomodation?

Luna,
what you see as lack of directiveness or not completely honesty of intentions from women towards men I understand it sometimes more like confusion of needs. Why, when we look primarly for a emotional bond or emotional support we send a sexual message?
My impression about the 'unconsciossnes' of some 'sexual' signals, seems reinforced for the sexual message of some dress codes of teenagers, most of the times they are not looking for 'that' althought their clothes could say otherwise.

Nam,
ty for asking about mold to your friend. I wouldn't dare to put a painting to dry in the sun, thogh. Lol.

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ToddAC #1691610 10/02/06 06:15 PM
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Luna, B's going to KILL me for this but she acted on her "urges" and then spent the next three months telling us how much she regretted it.

Thanks for the info, Kiwi....and do hope that B. won't mind you telling on her!

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Luna, you should not sign off.

It's OK, Todd...I was at work and I needed to get home...LOL.

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Take a deeeep breath Luna, hold it for a bit, now let it out...There, does that help? No? It didn't for me either.

All kidding aside go to an "adult store" & look around for something interesting. At the very least you don't want the muscles atrophy. This ought to help keep you from making choices you might regret.


Hi Nams....thanks for the advice...sounds like you may have experienced some of the same feelings.....

I think I will take my chances, if I have to....with regretting something! no toys for me!

I am sorry for staying on the topic....but this is new to me....

...you see....for me, SF was always associated with some sort of a 'connection', or a show of 'affection' on my part towards my sex partner...

In fact.....I would say that BEFORE, in my top needs, Affection would come above SF.....even when I was young (Oh, Lord...was it that long ago!)... which is one of the reasons I would not consider myself 'promiscuous'.....

I had a lot...let me repeat....a lot of propositions for sex..... but I never went for it....because unlike the guys....I always needed a 'connection'.... sex for me was somewhat of a 'means of communication'..... but it is how I basically learned, from the guys who propositioned me, what 'turned them on' about me...how I learned the 'subtle' ways of seduction... by accident, really ...initially, it started out just by me being me.... so...I basically then had the choice to 'tone down' my 'natural me'.. or continue 'business as usual' and continue to now knowingly 'turn on' guys that I did not intend to turn on..... I chose to 'tone down'.... and let the guys be!

...because, as I said before... I prefer being upfront about sex.... rather then manipulative...even though I now knew how!

It was a bit a shocker for me to realize that.....being a sexless BS.....my top need, hopefully temporarily, has become SF....without necessarily being associated with 'affection' or a 'connection'.....

...now...THIS....does make me very vulnerable.... because I was counting on my need for the combination SEX + AFFECTION... to somewhat 'protect' me.... and now realize that this is no longer the case....

I did not think THIS would be a problem for me in PLAN B.... because I would initially have to develop a 'connection' before I would consider SF to be met by anyone else...

If this has now changed.....it will make PLAN B a greater challenge for me.... let's hope it's temporary....

... although I am still 'technically' married..... WS has made his choice....by moving out one year ago and choosing to continue his A with OW.... and taking steps to 'legitimize' the A.....

Were I to have SF in PLAN B...in my current state of mind... I would not be lying to anyone..... WS's choices have technically 'released' me of any committments towards him...other than on paper!

...although I do believe we did not have a bad marriage or family life... it was BASED on 'reality'..... and I will be the first to admit.....it could not compete with the fantasy world he 'imagines' with OW..... until this 'imaged' world is taken down to the same reality level as his M and family life..... which, BTW, WS is working hard at not allowing this to happen by choosing NOT to live with OW...... how do I know this?.... because he told me that was his plan....although from what the boys report, things are not working out as planned, as WS has been known to have bounts of crying in front of the boys....

I also know....WS did not protect his 'weaknesses'.... because he did not want to admit he had any....and so.... he rendered himself very 'vulnerable'.... this, I believe, was part of his downfall..... and where he will have to seek some 'professional' help... and if the opportunity arises, I will make it a condition.....

...the reality now is...that WS has chosen R with the OW, for better or worse,....over me and his family!

I do believe...it is a castle made out of cards.... and it will eventually fall.....

...the question remains.... will it fall fast enough? ...will WS reconsider R? ...will I be still available, if this ever happens?

SF becoming a top need for me, which is understandable under the circumstances,...but without being in combination with Affection.... is just not helping the situation at all... and has totally thrown me off!


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ToddAC #1691611 10/02/06 06:30 PM
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Luna - You haven't in the slightest offended me. Tell me - why did you decide to wait out 2 years of Plan B. Seems to me you should be considering Plan D.

The rabbit is reportedly very good.


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bigkahuna #1691612 10/02/06 06:35 PM
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Hi Pio,

I see your DDs are keeping you busy... I would give anything to see you in the middle of the soccer field...trying to bring some order in the chaos.....LOL... sounds like you are up for the challenge!

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...no I am not....but I think the same principle applies... in PLAN B limboland....S is not there to fulfill SF... and technically.....BS is chosing to NOT have anyone else fulfill it, either! I am now basically questioning.... WHY NOT?

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She responded: no really, what caused them? Completely in denial...


I am sorry to hear that...I really think you should go DARK, Todd...and maybe consider Melodylane's suggestion to join the support group for family members of an alcoholic....


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Hi Luna,

I am completely dark. 24 hours now. Seriously, I am back on Plan B and will in fact seek out an alanon group.

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Luna - You haven't in the slightest offended me. Tell me - why did you decide to wait out 2 years of Plan B. Seems to me you should be considering Plan D.

Hi BigK...I am glad to hear you were not offended...

I believe 2 yrs is the 'recommended' average waiting period according to MB ....to see if A with OW, getting a serious go at a 'reality' check, will withstand it....although some may take 5, more or never!

I did not initially see a problem with the two year period... as I did not SEE myself getting emotionally involved with anyone within that timeframe.... and so did not see SF as a problem!

SF starting to get top billing...without the need for any emotional involvement...is what is throwing me off, and is new to me! Yikes!

On the up side.....I guess this helps me better understand some 'lifestyle' choices some people make....when SF alone is the top need!

I may have to reconsider...I will wait and see... I may be ready to 'move on' to D...sooner than later...

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Now..BigK...this...will need some further explanation!


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The rabbit is reportedly very good.


Hi BigK,

Tell us about the Rabbit.... Is it like a rabbit's foot?

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Luna - Further explanation - um..... no way.

But if you Google Rabbit and Vibrator.....


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I can say no more in mixed company.....


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