And so the bashing begins. I am not Owl have had no other EA, PA and you have my pardon.

I know Pio and Todd are hurting and my heart bleeds for them. I know what to hurt is like, Hurt is hurt, I understand their hurt and that of others and I am not justifying my EA, merely explaining it. I don't want anyone to hurt like I have for ANY REASON. If it's a problem for them they can tell me to hush up and go away. Or has been suggested in the past they can block my posts. I guess the reason I came here is that I have enormous sympathy for the Betrayed Spouses and I almost relate to their pain better than I do my own. As I felt somewhat betrayed also. I was in a very odd situation and felt the feelings of a MOW, Betrayed Wife, someone whose emotional needs were not being met, not because my H was faulty, but because they were so difficult to understand. I can look at these situations and see them from almost all sides.

If you knew my specific situation, larousse, I think you would understand why I chose not to heap more distress on my H. I am sorry if my story offends you.

I totally agree that the proper way to handle an A and recovery from it is to go totally NC and also to expose to the spouse. However I cannot do this and I am making the best effort I can in light of my specific situation. Believe me, it doesn't make my recovery any easier to have to not adhere to these principles.

Hola Nam,

You may try to put 'rags' with the dog oddor on its favorite spots. Also it could be that he's getting kicked or disturbed by someone, I hope not your sons, while you are not there.

Alo Todd,

The red letters were on this site or it happens when you see other sites?
Todd I'm really worried about you, you caused the false alarms just to be restrained in handcuffs and spend the night like that, now you try to initiate Pio on the clamps colection, tsk, tsk.

Hola, hi, tko'ers, kisses and pats acordinly.

I know Owl is a he, or was a he. He posted in a famous or infamous thread mainly of XOW. The poster I reffer to posted there a lot.

larousse, I don't know anything about that thread and I can assure you that I am not anything but what I say I am. And the last thing I wish to do is make anyone here feel any worse than they already do. I have been to ****** and back with my simple situation which pales in comparison to most of those here so I can only imagine how awful it is for them to contend with their day to day lives.

Frankly, I so admire Pio and Todd. They are remarkable men. I have nothing but the highest respect for them.

FC, you don't offend me at all.
It's a free world, internet, I have not blocked anyone, ever. I don't think I bash you or that was not my intention, my bashing topic is usually Spain and Mexicans, me included.

I know Pio and Todd are almost mature grown up men and can take care of themselves but I have the impression Pio was a little disturbed in a retarded effect way, (retarded effect, eh?) by TRC post.

We'll see.

Sorry, I don't know what TRC post is??

Why do you bash Spain and Mexicans?? Are you joking or do you have a real beef?

Well speaking for myself, I have nothing against WW's. Heck - I'm married to one!

Actually I like hearing things from the "other side". It helps me see the humanity in gemela rather than the evil which I sometimes suspect.

I have no problem with FC sharing her story. Keep in mind that she was asked - she didn't offer it.

Anyway thanks larousse for standing up for us. I have never read Owl's threads but I understand they are highly recommended reading.

Besides, I know something you don't. Anyone who has to spend that much time in FSA already has a lot of issues. Just the nature of the place.

I was asking myself if I was being somewhat hypocrtical considering the recent TDC incident. I guess the difference is that FC seems to be sincerely trying to R against very terrible odds. In the TRC case, she/they refused to stop the A but still wanted the M.

I dunno.

I bash Mexicans because I know them, ask me about me !

Spain is a visceral reaction to which I have no explanation.

TRC are the initials of a poster whose id names were Tear, Regreted, Curly17 and now are Wave, Skater and other which I don't know if was ereased or not.

Now, listen here Pio. There are a lot worse places on Earth than FSA. Trust me on this one, I personally have lived in a couple of them. Thanks to Uncle Sam.

Ok, Pio, I understand and I hope I was lady like otherwise Nam will make fun of me or worst will try to sit oon top of me.

Peace

And Pio, thanks for your acceptance. That is part of the reason that I am here and that's to elucidate the often convoluted strange world that the WW live in. We aren't all evil. Some of us are merely naive and stupid.

I'm not sure what that means. I have to accept that people make mistakes. You seem to have admitted yours and are working to do better. My problem with my WW is not that she had an A (well, okay it is a bit if a bummer) but rather that she had an A and refuses to accept that it was a mistake. She will only say that it was an error. Kind of like missing the answer by 1 on a math final. Intention was good but there was a slight error. Besides, when she says it was an error, she never says whether the error was the A or getting caught.

If gemela had come to me and said it was wrong and she was sorry and really wanted our M, we would probably be okay now. She still refuses to give up the A AFAIK so I am not too inclined to be very accepting about it. But that's just me. Call me crazy.

Anyway, I have to get back to the golf cart. I have the front bumper off and need to make some 6" bolts (more or less). I don't really have the entire plan yet. It's coming.

I just meant thanks for not thinking that I was someone else or like someone else without really knowing me. It's very easy to stereotype people but nice to see that you are open minded about this.

I do not relate at all to your wife nor to Todd's. They both seem to have entered a world that I have no idea about.

What does AFAIK mean? have seen it a bunch but can't figure it out.

And for the record, those 2 girls of yours are about as cute as any I have ever seen. And you are a very good Daddy. Far and away better than most.

It's a good thing I have more than one tape measure!!!

Never mind, As far as I know?? Right? Every now and then I am hit by a flash of brilliance.

Pio she gave up the affair, the reality of pursuing it, everything else woul fall in place.

Have you seen that in Spanish we only have equìvocacion and error. Error is stronger admission than equivocacion.

You may have been better design E. than chemistry E.

Are you talking about me larousse? I don't know if what you are saying is in reference to me.

and I hope you really exfoliate your feet and use the Conair kit. Nahnahnahnah

Don't worry FC I'm an electronically operated second conscious that activates everytime Pio rewrites history and story.

C'est tout- Ou est Lune?

Fraidycat, I’m a FWW who was involved in an EA and became emotionally attached to a close opposite sex friend myself. Like you, I also didn’t know what an EA was and that something like that existed, but luckily I discovered this website.

Anyway, I want to tell you that once boundaries have been crossed from friendship into more, there is no turning back and once that has happen you can never be friends with the OM ever again for 2 reasons:

1) It doesn’t work (I’ve been there and tried that).
2) Staying friends with the OM is grossly disrespectful to the BS. You lost the privilege to be friends with OM the moment actions and/or feelings have crossed boundaries into more than just friendship…even though the inappropriate feelings for the OP might have happened unwittingly and unintentionally.