Todd, do you know the Toscanini interpretations of the 4 Brahms' symphonies?? Wonderful. Simply gorgeous.

Some other powerful earmworms are Beethoven's Für Elise, Wagner's Lohengrin and Bach's Brandenburg concertos.

OK, FC ...now tell me something I DON'T know already!

No, I am not very educated about Brahmns in general. He was one of the three B's and I should know more.

Played Fur Elise [/i] in my 4th grade recital. It's a wonderful little piece. Boy did I think I was hot stuff.

Do you know [i]Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral from Lohengrin? Very powerful music, gorgeous horn parts. Opens with a nice ensemble of flute, E horn, oboe and clarinet.

Geeshh...Todd... that's easy!...you have the answer and don't even know it...

...in case there is a fire in the drawer, what else?

I would love for you to hear the Brahm's symphonies. They are spectacular. The height of Romantic music.

FC, you should listen Dr. Harley's radio broadcast from today (it was from a prior show) that will be rebroadcast (probably) this afternoon. It was all about the importance of honesty in your marriage. Hopefully, it will enlighten you as to the wisdom and benefits of radical honesty.

Luna, I don't think it serves any useful purpose to beat this horse to death any more. I am doing the best I can and that's all there is to it. So please don't treat me with any more sarcasm.

Nams?...your dog may just have some 'trust' issues...

Gosh luna,

Now I feel silly for not seeing that.

Trix, I am absolutely 100% in agreement with that premise. I have no quarrel with it as being the best method in general. How can I agree more with everyone? I know you all think I am in la la land because I chose not to implement it in my situation, but that is my decision and I am not going to do something that I don't think is best. I am an independent thinker and I have determined that it's not for me. But i don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I know it's a very good tenet and underpinning for a very healthy marriage. I do not disagree with that.

Anyone know how get relief from burns? Does butter really work? I tried drinking some aloe lotion but that didn't help much. I love the taste of butter; maybe it will be better.

No, butter doesn't work. Ice cold water immersion. Aloe works too applied topically. Your anti-inflamatories should be helping too. ( Steroids)

I agree there's not much better tasting than butter. It's better. I wish I could eat it guilt free.

FC, I've skim read most of what's gone before.

I hate to have to say this but I agree with Larousse. In fact I thought the same thing when you first appeared.

Don't forget I've been on this board a long time and your story is so familiar as being Sarie's story that I just can't see that you're not her.

Again Kiwi, I cannot prove a negative. I don't know who Sarie is and if my story resembles hers it's pure coincidence. Don't waste a whole lot of brainpower on it if you really think that, I can't change anyone's mind here I have been trying for about 6 hours. I don't care if you are poster #1, I am still not Sarie. Haven't seen or read any thread about her and don't intend to waste my time. If you want you can ignore me. I have been trying to get past this stuff.

FC,

Your initial comment was addressed to me..... and my reply to you was simply to ask you to please not insult my intelligence....

It is your life....and you will do as you please...

...I just think that option should be extended to your BS...

FC, if you say you aren't then you aren't.

However, these guys value honesty above everything else. It's their wives' constant dishonesty and lying that is upsetting them more than their wives' affairs.

For that reason alone I think you should be careful how you post and whether this is the right thread for you to be on.

I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I was trying to point out to you that my so called love for OM was the fallacy. I honestly didn't realize that while I was involved with OM. I don't mean this to be disrespectful to you in any way. I just don't see the merit in telling my H how crazy I went all for nothing. I was the one dealing in the illusion. It wasn't really love, I have seen that.

And I have been able to figure out why i thought it was so. Why tell him of my twisted mind? So he can decide whether or not to kick me out??? He loves me, he cares about me, and I am confident that it would just hurt him and we would still end up together. He's not going to decide that he doesn't want to be married to me with or without this revelation. That sounds supremely confident and arrogant, but I trust him and I know he loves me and I have no fears about my future even if he did find out. I just don't want to subject him to that hurt.

I am not confident about many things, but I have never doubted my H's love for me. He's been just about the best H one could ask for. I also have to add that from listening around here that I think Todd and Pio Big K and probably others I cannot remember are also those kinds of husbands to their wives. They have demonstrated love through and throughout their ordeals. It may be one thing that attracted me to this thread in the first place. I so admire what they are trying to do.

I view my problems in my marriage as my own doing and I feel that it is my responsibility to get myself straightened out without further hurt to anyone.

Jen is absolutely correct. I can put my WW's A behind me and even the coverup and deceit only and only if she now becomes honest and stops the lies.

FC,

MB has several fundamental tenets. One of those is radical honesty. It is of critical importance. Bigger long ago observed that there are two types of members here: those who heed the advice they are given and follow MB principles and those who ignore advice, whether sought or not, and wonder why their sitch does not improve.

In all candor, if you are not willing to have an open mind to feedback and criticism, you have to ask yourself what is your goal in being here?