Pio, Machiaveli, that made me laugh.

Don't forget to go around all night saying "the end justifies the means." which wasn't said by Dosteovsky (shoot, can't spell it) BTW as I do believe I pointed out to you once.

Well the question that comes to my mind is how you could possibly know that? There is, of course, only one answer. Naturally this brings up another question which I cannot answer.

Beth, you did not make the choice to break up your family. Your H made that choice by stepping outside the M to make himself feel better. Regardless of your contribution to a M that creates an atmosphere where one is unhappy, your H took the step to act on that unhappiness by cheating. That's him making the choice to shatter the foundation rather than work to strengthen it.

2much, I wrote you last night about my experience with gathering info. but it didn't post.

Here's my shortened version: Because I suspected ex cheated my att. requested cell phone & credit card records. His phone was a co. phone & his c.c. was his alone & the bill was not comming to the house at the time I wanted it, he'd had it sent to work.

ex was asking me to assume half of his over $50,000 debt. Att. said no not without seeing the charges. ex never provided that & ended up assuming the whole debt himself. He may have been hiding money, taking a cash advance than looking for me to take half that or he may have had charges relating to gf. I'll never know. The point being, att. can ask for whatever they want but only a judge can force.

Get yourself the best attorney you can afford, one that comes recommended by other's who have D & feel they've gotten what they deserve & will protect you & your children. Do not deal with ex in any negotiation. Let your att. do it for you. This way you are not pit against your H in battles, it is through a third party though with you full knowledge & consent. I does come in handy to be able to say the att. advised you to this & that rather than you looking like the bad guy. Let your H's inevitable anger be directed more at your att. than you.

The one certain thing is D brings out the worst in people & you're likely to see even worse sides to your H than you already have.

The sad fact is that in the end when you D your marriage becomes all about money.

Todd, can't you protect assets while separated or is that you've not wanted to formalize that step therefore your assets aren't protected?

During my D I saw a very ugly side of ex. He was convinced I was out to screw him so instead of working out an agreement between our att. ex forced a hearing before the judge to decide what he thought was fair regarding money & asset distribution. The judge came up with more than we were asking & ex was stunned. I'll admit I got some pleasure at seeing his face drain of blood & him stammering with his att. He was convinced because he was unhappy & wanted out & was reasonbale for wanting that things should be done the way he saw fit. Arrogance. I could have gotten more but I really only wanted what I thought I would need.

I was looking for enough money to stay in our home, which ex said he wanted, enough for me to have time to go back to school so I would be more marketable. Not money for school though I'd worked while he finished his schooling, just money enough so I wouldn't have to have a full time job & go full time to school. Money makes people do ugly things.

If your WW has taken money this may be the beginning of the ugliness. Please protect yourself. Nothing will kill any lingering feelings you may have left for your spouse during a D than seeing them fight over money & material things.

Of course I always thought this guy had a great idea for a halloween costume:

possible costume idea

I went into town this AM to buy some transparency paper to finish another Halloween idea of WW. The store was closed due to Eid. She decided since I was going to town that she would send me to another store to buy felt. I got that. I got home and was tired. I have been really depressed the past few days. Wanting to ask for divorce kind of depressed. So I walk in and see that WW has been outside gardening. Before I left, the decided they were going to make strawberry cheese cupcakes.

When I got back, the box was still on the counter. DD2 comes in and says that mommy told her to tell me to make the cupcakes because mommy was tired. I told DD2 to tell mommy that I was not here simply to complete tasks that she starts but decides she no longer wants to do. Tell mommy that if she promised to make the cupcakes, then she needs to make the cupcakes because I'm not going to. What I didn't know was that WW was in the kitchen at the time and heard it all. She never said a word and she immediately made the cupcakes. They turned out pretty good. I certainly enjoyed mine.

Oh Pio....your dd should have heard all that (true) stuff about mommy...but I am SO glad mommy heard it!

Believer...does that mean we will see more of you around here? I hoooopppe so. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



...say hi to Leonardo if you run into him! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



OUHHH!.....Glad to see you came to your senses, Beth. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />



Oh..I see...I didn't check my post...think I called them 'heads'...and Pio something similar to 'têtes'...and was very surprised to see Pio did not know the right 'term'!

so...Todd....are they called 'terminals'....please set me straight! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

About the car... at this point, it travels with the boys and they are with WS...I believe WS will have it checked.....the last thing I noticed, it was making a big noise...think it may have been the....muffler!?! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Nams,

How are you?

Assets are not frozen per se but practically speaking, they are. Problem is, the horse has already left the barn.

I want to get the assets nailed down before I file. I have a terrible feeling about where the money went.

ToddAC,

In addition to the MM, may I suggest:

Elijah Craig 12-yo
Woodford Reserve
Booker's

Note that the Booker's is very expensive but is unfiltered and uncut, i.e. excactly as it comes out of the hand selected barrels. All very tasty stuff.

Don't encourage him Booka, we're trying to keep him off the alcohol. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to TKO, I've noticed you reading here.

Seriously, next you'll be telling somebody to quit smoking. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

OMG - I'm as bad as pep on I'ville, I stalk, and give my two cents when not asked. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

KY - carry on <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Uhmmmm....Todd?...does this mean that WS has access to assets? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

booka,

I have had Elijah Craig. Excellent stuff. I think I had a bottle of Woodford years ago but not Booker's. Sounds interesting and will give it a shot.

Thanks.

Hi Luna,

Legally, yes, there is nothing preventing WW from accessing assets. On a practical level, DS3 is our financial advisor, and as the gatekeeper, he will never let her have access to any money. He is aware of the missing assets and in fact, is helping with asset scans.

WW has a terrible, terrible spending addiction. She has borrowed over $5,000 from friends to support her habit.

On a more positive note (pun intendeded) my error with the "poles". You did say heads. I seem to recall a reference to poles but who knows?

Yes, they are called terminals. A battery is little more than a circuit, filled with plates and a very nasty acid. Current flows from negative to positve and the terminals offer the opportunity for user interface and control. Not to mention completing the circuit.

Luna, luna, wake up.........

I tend to think of it as pain medication...

KiwiJ,

Thanks for the welcome. I mainly hang out in Emotional Needs (I have a current thread there) but have been enjoying this thread for quite a while. Greetings from the confluence of the Mississippi, Missouri, and Illinois rivers.

I've appreciate for some time now the witty (sometimes! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) banter that goes on here. It has given me relief at times. This is certainly one of the most diverse threads as far as membership goes. I alo greatly enjoy some the the technical talk.

I have one question, though, perhaps the greatesst and most significant question ever posed on this thread (actually, I think it has been asked bedore, but perhaps not answered).

Ready?

Why does Pio use an electric blanket in SA?

I been puzzled by this for some time. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Precisely. Good to see the addition of yet another logical mind to the fold. As they say where I live: it won't rust, bust, crust, corrode or explode and crawls on its belly like a reptile.



I can answer this but feel the need to be gingerly. I consider TKO to be like a family of sorts. Do you know how every family has its little "secrets"? Like in my home family, it was well-known, but never discussed, that my paternal Grandmother's balcony was missing a few tiles. The reason Pio "thinks" he needs an electric blanket is because he has been led to believe that SA means Southern Antarctica. Once that thought was implanted, well, he just started shivering.

Note that the Booker's is about 2X the price of MM and is in bottle that would remind you more of a wine bottle than anything else. One might make a rather painful mistake confusing wine with Booker's. I instructed the household that no one, and I mean no one should touch that bottle other than I. I think I negeleted to mention the Knob Creek, which is also good stuff. Yes, my cabinet is full. I just recently rekindled my interest in bourbon. It's nice that they have such good product now.

Now was that your paternal Grandmother's metaphorical balcony, or did she have an issue somewhat along the nature of the beginning of "Ben Hur"?

Do they have sand in Southern Antarctica? Perhpas when all of the glaciers are melted, they'll have some fine beach-front property. I wonder in penguins can surf?

Does Pio's blanket run on 120 (warm) or 220 (toast)?

Thanks to all who posted specifics for me (you know who you are), I greatly appreciate your pearls of wisdom!

Booka, thanks for the booze review...I will need to postpone plans to taste test until the pocket allows:) I used to enjoy Scotch as my #1 beverage of choice about a decade ago...prekids. Since then I stuck to my glass of wine/night...am just now revisiting the bourbans...I have to say that my favorite spiked Egg Nog made with Kentucky bourban usually makes it's preview right around now.

Pio...nice costume idea...will G wear the testicular cancer screening match? Why do you use an electric blanket? Is it your severe anemia or the reptilian cold blooded beast in you?

Believer and Beth...welcome back

Stph...keep harraassing BK-he loves it

Where is Larousse???

Todd, by the time I had RM #1 I was mellow enough to contend with WH...I have deferred RM#2 for this evening in honor of you

Kiwi, I wish I could taste some of your cook'in...sounds like you are one mean chef...I LOL everytime I see you tell Todd..."You would eat my goulash, You would eat my calamari, you would eat my slaw...." You're killing me:)

I appreciate all of the support and encouragement...no where near sainthood...St. Elsewhere was one of my favorite shows back in the day though...does that count? I also liked St. Elmo's Fire...I went to a school named St. Rosalia...I work on the corner of St.Clair...I never cared for Susan St. James...

I have had my oven on for 2 hours with nothing in it...I had all these great intentions of baking a cake...I should contract it out to Gemela. Cheer up Pio...I think the anticlimactic "I'm Home" is in effect...it will wear off and you can make some real headway...it's just that the intent hasn't caught up with the actions yet...give it time. You've invested this much time, what's a few more weeks/months in the big scheme of things (does that sound familiar???)

gotta run...check in later

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2muchhrtbrk,

All of the bourbons I mentioned are really too good for egg-nog. In fact, the only way I like to drink them is on the rocks. Southern Comfort would be good for the egg-nog. It might take quite a bit of bourbon to get me to taste egg-nog.

Now if you want to get into a wine discussion, begging ToddAC's indulgence (I wouldn't want a discussion of wine to cause ToddAC an pain), then we can really talk.

I really have no experience with scotch. I would like to try something that's really good. Good scotch can really get pricey.

It's certainly good oven weather here.

I hope everyone has a good night (and day where it applies).

...the only terminals I knew of before were...airport terminals...

uhmmmm....don't suppose you could come up with a link between the two.

and...thanks to you, Todd, tonight I will go to sleep a little bit smarter...LOL!



...to confuse us, what else, Booka?

Actually....my theory is that its a 'symbol' of the powerstruggle between Pio and G.

OTOH...I like Todd's explanation....

That reminds me...Pio? ...have you had to 'fold' the electric blanket on your side since G. has been back?



Greetings back to you, Booka....

A little intro. would be very much appreciated...like, what would you like us to know about you?