Todd you just turn up again without saying how you are.

How is your flu?

Todd,
I see you twice, is it your flu or is it mine ?

Oh it was the tequila. Yours of course.

Hello all,

Todd, glad you are recovered from the flu. Booka, sorry bout your sitch. Pio, sounds like you are a bit Sybil-like these days...I can relate. Hello BK, Nams, Kiwi, Stph, Larousse...Beth, you are sounding well considering...keep up the good work.

WH moved out today after all kinds of dramatic events this past week. Basically he was willing to work on M and took some drastic measures...quit job...ceased all contact with OWs (supposedly) etc but ceasing contact caused some fall out with OWs which I caught a piece of...pretty interesting since what one particular OW had to say could have come out of my mouth as she feels much like me...oooopps only difference he is married to me...anyway despite this big turn of events I am unable to trust and even a trip out for 1 hour causes me doubt, disbelief etc and when I share this with WH it only makes sitch worse thus I requested we part ways so I don't have to deal with worry/wonder where he is and who he is with. Says he really didn't want to do it and was extremely emotional about it but he's gone...has called twice to talk to kids.

I feel nothing at this point since the past week has been horrific. Not sure how I'll feel later but I'm exhausted and am about to hit the sack. My kids seem to understand and are not at all like I had thought they would be...we'll see...

((((( 2Much )))))

Okay that's it. I'm completely done. WW finally broke this camel's back last night! She has sold DD1's soul to the Devil! AND ALL WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION!!! I am simply livid! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Yes she did it - she put DD1 in french classes!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> WW is history!!! DD1 got up this morning and is wearing a beret AND SMOKING A GAULOISE CIGARETTE!!!

{{{2much}}}

I still remember just over a year ago when I sent WW packing to OM's house after I heard the phone recording. She left at night after DDs had gone to sleep. The next morning was really hard on the three of us but we got through it. I still remember how surprised I was that I felt so little. It was like being in a dream. I guess the reality had not quite hit home yet. If I knew what the term "fugue state" meant, that might have been it.

Gauloise stinck !

Fairly appropriate considering their market.

Pio,

That is low!!!!!! First infidelity and now this???? At least this will take your mind off her infidelity for a long while.

Your sitch reminds me of a good friend of mine who happens to be a CE. He once told me that he wears the pants in his family. He said that he makes the big decisions and his wife makes all the minor decisions. By way of example, he said that he decides national defense, the federal budget, Fed reserve monetary policy and all she does is decide what house to buy, what school to send their kids to, where they go on vacation, etc.

You have to admire the guy.

That reminds me of the young newlywed couple on the first night of their honeymoon. They got undressed and got in to bed and W starts to kiss the H and he says "Wait. Go over there and put on my pants." She asks "What?". He repeats his request. This guy is huge - built like a linebacker. So the diminuitive petite little woman gets out of bed and goes and picks up his pants and puts them on. The are so big and long and she is so tiny that the waste actually covers her chest. She is a little afraid and trembling. H says "okay come on back to bed". She gets in bed and he says "that's just to remind you who wears the pants in the family" and he tries to kiss her.

She says "wait". He stops. She says "go over and put on my panties". He replies "WHAT?" She says "You heard me - go put on my panties". Somewhat perplexed H gets out of bed and goes over and picks up her panties and begins to try to put them on. He pulls and pulls but he is so big and they are so small that he can't get them up past his knees. He is exhausted from trying and says "I can't get into these!" to which she replies "and you aren't going to either with THAT attitude!". She turns off the light and goes to sleep.

Don't talk divorce
Do contact the Harleys
Do refuse to cooperate in divorce talk in any way
Do protect your finances
Don't give WS an inch or a cent to continue her affair.

Pio - Be nice to Stef.

2Much,

Are you and your WS folliwing any recovery plan?

What's his position about Total Honesty?

I can understand that you need to distance from him but in such an early stage he really needs to concentrate on you.

LOL Pio

booka,

If W really is involved with Chris, you have been the primary enabler. Since Chris is a player and single father, your exposure choices are very limited. If W is also an alcoholic, this A will be very hard to bust up. Do you think W views Chris as a better father to your DD than you? I know your relationship with DD was one of her issues and she seems to have bonded so closely with his kids. I was just wondering what your opinion of his relationship with your DD is like. Don't make this easy for your W. Think about your DD.

Do hear BigK too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Pio made a wonderful job with his DD's and that absolutely delighted G.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Women have always worn the pants and always will.

The trick is in letting the man thinks he wears them.

{{{{{{{{{{{{2much}}}}}}}}}}}}

2much,

I'm sorry but I just can't shake this mental image of OW being devastated and coming over to your house to cry on your shoulder about her loss - and you are consoling her! You are just way too nice.

What is your plan now? Are you going to implement a full Plan B? The way I felt when I packed gemela off to Mexico is that I was finally taking charge of myself again. I was the captain of my ship. It was a great feeling. And do you know what? I miss it.

Maybe it is as simple as that. Gemela needs to bring some sort of value added to make me be okay with giving up the helm and no longer steering my own course. I do think she is trying.

Pio - I have a question for you and I'm not being antagonistic. Just curious.

You have given Suzet a hard time over non=exposure to OMW. Yet you extend friendliness and civility to Kiwi. Jen and her husband have never exposed to OMW. No difference IMO. Why the 'attitude' to Suzet? It seems harsh.

As posted on ENs:

I said many things too her over the weekend, some productive and some non-productive. We negotiated many, many things. We are trying to be very friendly about this and we have each been generous in our approach. I want to move out ASAP, but need her to buy out my equity.

DD13 and I wnet out and lokked at a house yesterday afternnon and it was good for me to do so. Now I have another focus which is helping quite a bit. I would be moving about 25-miles from our current location but would be much closer to work.

I slept poorly last night with thoughts racing through my head. STBXW said that she slept poorly also. I ran out of Lunesta and am having an insurance issue getting it refilled. I will call the shrink about this today. I will call the realtor about seeing the inside of the new house. I've got a lot of things to do and it's really a poor time of year to have to do this.

I feel physically and emotionally like crap. I did work-out today very, very hard. It helps.

Thanks for everyone's input over the course of this thread. I probably let some people down here and I'm sorry for that. I did what I was equipped to do. I did end up with some positive changes for myself.

I know that I have things to look forward to after our marriage is over.