Either I'm Luna, Kiwi and now Pio. [color:"brown"] When will I get to be me? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> [/color]

OK I give up.

Thank you to everyone who has given me advice since I've been here. I appreciate it and you.

I apparently can't not take one piece of advice and still be supported so I obviously don't belong here on MB or TKO.

KiwiJ, I hope you come back, I'm sorry you were made to feel pushed out because you were trying to help me.

I'm sorry everyone is so stuck on my going to Plan B, but it is not what I need to do yet and I will not do it yet. That is my decision, right or wrong, and I'm going to stick to it.

For the record, I HAVE NEVER SAID MY CASE IS ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE'S. I know that I'm not special when it comes to what I'm going through. But I'm handling it the best way I know how. I'm NOT SCARED of Plan B, it's not necessary for us yet.

Anyway, there's nothing more to be said about my case and nothing I say is going to make anyone see my perception anyway,so I'm going to bow out now, and good luck to everyone; I hope everything works out for all and I will miss you all deeply, I just can't take the tug-of-war anymore.

Good-bye.

FF,

You're right I don't have any idea how this situation feels to the BS.

I was thinking about my post actually & wondered if I did sound like I was preaching. I hope it doesn't sound that way to Beth because I'm about as far as you can get from the preachy type.

Beth,

Please accept my apology if I've seemed to belittle your feelings. I can't imagine the pain you must be in & I'm sorry you're hurting.

Please know my thoughts are with you & your boys.

You have come across as such a warm, loving, kind person. Strong too. I hope you can get through this with the grace you've so amply shown here.

Stph -

Sorry you feel so bad. Remember, everyone gives free advice, and you are free to do what you think is best.

Dear Steph,

I think you have grown a lot in this months. Please don't go.

Sometimes posts don't reflect the spirit or the intention of the poster.

We care a lot about you. It would be a pity to loose such a caring, vibrant and well humored woman like you.

Keep posting and trying to follow MB plan.

Pretty please.

Steph,

Why don't you call Dr. Harley radio program or send a mail to the program and share his answer with us?

I have the impression they are answering pretty fast to mails.

Hola Believer,

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Stph,

Here's an opportunity to apply the difference between actions and reactions.

Act, don't react to this situation. Each one is responsible for his or her actions and you are only resposible for yours.

Keep strenghting the resolve you got in the last months and don't feel crushed by different opinions.

The best way to learn MB ideas and to weight the opinions is too learn MB concepts by reading the articles and books and taking Marriage Coaching with The Harley's.

If you were favored by the comments of some experts, I think it was because they saw in you the potential to reach a succesful outcome.

They have been in your shoes and were only trying to avoid you further suffering and to help you to save your marriage.

Well sorry Todd but I do believe in ghosts. It is based on empirical evidence. I lived in a house in Mexico that two guys (albañiles[sic?]) were murdered building and the MIL of the owner died in later. I heard concrete being mixed every night. It was annoying but nothing else. MIL, OTOH, was quite active and did show herself and to a lot of people. She wasn't shy at all. I moved.

I too apologize Beth. I was more disturbed about you finding these things out from a PI than the OC itself. I can't imagine learning those things in such a cold way.

But we are running people away right and left. So I am placing myself on the ignore filter.

Sorry piojitos, I will steer clear for awhile. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It's ok Nams, it is a perspective I pray you will never personally know.

Steph, I know you are frustrated. Frankly I check in on this thread for you and for 2much and wanted to say I know probably better than most your dilemna which is why I hope you don't give up getting help. It is ok to ask everyone to back off and let you breathe a little. I have been where you are where the advice is coming fast. Take a breath and just be still for a bit. Be still and let God speak to you. Please consider calling Harley for a game plan if you can afford it. I too hate to see you one day be so exhausted that you no longer love your H. {{steph}}

Can you ignore yourself? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> very funny Pio.

Well Pio, my dear, my ignore list has grown to 10,285. All that is left are the original members of TKO.

Hear that stph? You are still on my accept list. Know why? Because I know you will be back. There is either something in the air or in the water that is turning people into nasties. Do not let them scare you off and prevent you from getting the support and feedback that you need.

Do you need help to ignore yourself Pio?

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No need to steer clear. I had asked bigK to send you a message yesterday. Hope you got it. I do have an issue with you though. It was something you posted on that thread about "can't believe this statement" or some such. I decided we needed to cut off your head too. But I decided not to post it until I sold my Aquanet stock. I got the sell order in so, once the market opens, I'll feel free to post and line you up for the lopping too.

stph20,

Leaving MB is a bad plan. I know you are frustrated. I recommend you keep posting but post about other things until this settles down. I know in my longish battle I got extremely frustrated and needed to take a break from MB for a while. That was long before this thread. To be honest, I am very unhappy in my personal situation at this moment and that is why you don't see me posting very much about it. It is not that I don't appreciate the help and advice - it is just that I need to be patient right now and rehashing it makes me impatient. So I post about my sling psychrometer - or I WOULD IF PEOPLE WOULD LET ME!!! If your M survives and recovers, MB is a great way to make it better than before. So I hope you stay around.

I would like to ask that we all try to keep the DJ's in check - except for you Todd - I know it is impossible to keep you from DJing me so go right ahead.

larousse,

WW told me something last night that I'm sure you must know about if it is true. She told me about 5 pescadores who got stranded in their launch for 9 months and were picked up off the coast of Australia. Did that really happen?

I was not going to touch that line with a 10 foot pole. It just sounds dirty.

I know the answer to this one. The truth is there is no way fish can survive out of water that long.

Typical DJ. Have you ever thought about getting a job in a night club?

What, as a bouncer?

BTW, when I read your post about slinging, it made me think of a scene I have seen in the movies many times. A man who is looking for the perfect spot to drill a water well, will hold one of those divine rods in his hands and somehow it magically points downward when there is water 50 feet underground.

Typical Mexican story of national pride. There were only three of them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4798243.stm