Pio-Diddy,

Unfortunately no. The tax code is clear. Title IX, chapter 10,334,832, section 23,7778, subsection 9,248, paragraph 4,855, lines 44,759,279 through 49,992,039, describes persons who can potentially qualify for dependent status. Here is a small portion of the exact code:

Notwithstanding the foregoing and by exclusion with reference to and without any generality of Section, X, title `4858 of the Code, and applicaiton of the word "dependent" as used herein, should not be constued nor interpreted, unless specificaly or generally provided for by express or implied exception as variously provided in Title IV, section 87,399,562 of this Code and together with the interpretation of the seventh district court as to judicial appeals on this matter, a dependent, as used in this section and various throughout the code except as hereinafter provided therefor, and excluding the presence of alernative minimum tax and like kind revenue and expenses, and further stipulating that said depenedents must meet all of the criteria as contianed in said code as amended, if amended and abridged"

That is clear to me but in the event anyone has difficulty speaking "governmentese", the following is a literal translation of the above code recitals.

Only minors under the age of 60 can qualify for dependent status.

Bummer...

We report. You decide.

Ooops, just got off the phone with my accountant. It seems I misinterpreted Section 34,654 and subsection 87,345. The real reason I cannot claim OM as a dependent is because a dependent must be a human being.

Pio's quote: "I think WW wants to get you back in the M to help make her feel better about herself. She doesn’t seem to be interested in making you feel better about yourself. She has something broken and she needs you to be the band aid to fix her problem. What drove her to the A remains and will likely remain even if you two decide to live together under the same roof again. Are the BF's empowering WW? Very likely. Left to her own devices, I don't think she could have maintained her attitude this long."
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I agree with this statement Pio. Well, except for maybe the part that she couldn't have maintained her entitlement attitude if it weren't for the BFs.

It's too easy to say WW spouses are "different people" & are "under the influence" of...whatever one chooses to say.

We are talking about adults. These people have jobs, have raised or are raising families. They are fully functioning. While I agree their thinking is skewed & they are making extremely poor choices, they are the ones making those choices. It's more about them seeing themselves as entitled.

Life gets difficult, we see we have limited time. We naturally look back & wonder if we've spent out time wisely & what we'd like to do with the rest of our time here. Some people get panicky, others adjust their lives to live more fully while still meeting their obligations.

To use religious background also seems a bit of a cop out. It's all part of an "I'm not really responsible for my actions" mentality. Todd's WW certainly has that attitude.

We've all made poor choices in our lives & some of those choices cause us shame, as they should. No one likes to live with feelings of shame so we try to re-write history to make ourselves feel better about our horrible choices. WW spouses are the best at this & we, as BS, often help. We don't want to think the WWS has simply decided to look elsewhere for excitement, love, a new life, what have you, because the people we married swore to no do that. But, they did make that choice & it's born of entitlement. They want what they want & they get it. Right, wrong, religious, not religious, guilt-ridden, fearful of the future, whatever, they're all ultimately excuses the WW uses to get what they want because they want it & feel entitled.

Well that sucks.

Government loopholes... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, Pio...won't 'touch' the political debate in Quebec <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />... let's just say that it's a very 'emotional' debate above everything else.....like all other 'political' debates around the world...LOL!

Bingo halls?!?!?...wouldn't know about that...not old enough to attend yet! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pio...how come Nams is getting off the hook for not learning how to 'quote'?... Nothing personal, Nams, I just have a 'beef' about this with Pio <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />... gave me heck for not properly 'quoting' way back when!...although I must say.... he let's me get away with my (....).... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />



...my WS got 'panicky'...actually suffers on occasion of 'panick attacks'..... has not wanted to get 'real' help for it...guess he now figures he's too old and not worth the effort.....HARD WORK vs AFFAIR.....



I think you hit it on the button, Nams...and so early in the morning, too...WOW...(for me, that is!)....

What 'pearls' will you come up with by tonight!!!

Weren't you supposed get your pottery out of the oven, or something?!?!! ...are you happy with the results!!?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

...is the 'waiting' difficult?? anxious??...or more like, che saaaara saraaaa! ...and it's 'out of your hands now' attitude....

I have a few friends...well....actually, think I am going to 'fess up'...and ready to get the 'WELL...NO WONDER!' and the 'rolled eyes' reaction from some, I guess....

...but my WS is an actor....specifically, theatre actor.... and quite a few of my friends are in 'artsy' life endeavours.... actors, costume designers, singers, writers, painters... and I have been around 'creative elements' enough to know... that the 'creative process' can vary QUITE a bit!

...in our circle of friends, WS and I were 'dinosaurs' being married over 20 yrs....and, I guess, like dinosaurs...we have become extinct!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

...but like the PHOENIX/DINOSAUR....Luna rises from the ashes!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

What?!?!?! ...page 4. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

This is unacceptable...I am 'just' bumping it while I contemplate on what song to post. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

OMG it's slipping again. Bump.

Hi Luna and BigK,

Will you guys stop all this bumping you woke me up!

Luna, thanks for the email and links, your home town is beautiful. Have you been back there?

BigK, are you clean again yet? By the way I have a really good Australian friend coming to stay with me soon. She lives in LA and has been here about 15 years. She has 3 sons too and sadly a very WH. She keeps trying to get me to eat vegemite though. I banned her from bringing any to my house!

I can't stand vegemite. Yukky.

How are you Beth?

Now, I have gotten the hint that the lyrics of my favourite Italian songs are not appreciated too well here (even though I have tried to ignore the obvious) ....so... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

...have decided to enfringe upon Todd's territory....and submit to you people WILDFLOWER by Skylark.... I seem to identify with the song...and I tear up often listening to it...and....uhmmmm....singing it at the top of my lungs...when nobody's around...because I would like to keep my friends! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

...and Larousse.... I spotted 'mp3' in the following site, maybe it will get you the musique...but I really don't know... for a not-so-savey computer girl....it's the best I can do!

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/s/skylark/wildflower/

She's faced the hardest times
You could imagine
And many times her eyes fought back the tears
And when her youthful world was about to fall in
Each time her slender shoulders
Bore the weight of all her fears
And a sorrow no one hears
Still rings in midnight silence, in her ears

Let her cry, for she's a lady
Let her dream, for she's a child
Let the rain fall down upon her
She's a free and gentle flower, growing wild

And if by chance I should hold her
Let me hold her for a time
But if allowed just one possession
I would pick her from the garden, to be mine

Be careful how you touch her
For she'll awaken
And sleep's the only freedom that she knows
And when you walk into her eyes
you won't believe
The way she's always paying
For a debt she never owes
And a silent wind still blows
That only she can hear and so she goes

Let her cry, for she's a lady
Let her dream, for she's a child
Let the rain fall down upon her
She's a free and gentle flower, growing wild

Not too bad thanks BigK. But, I guess you don't mean my health hey!

I guess I have to talk about my M sooner or later but I just so badly want to enjoy this Christmas. Last year I was very ill and spoilt the celebration for everyone. I am determined to make up for it this year if I can.

Is everything good with you?

Yes, I have, Beth....about 5 times...to be exact!

Luna,

I so loved Italy and badly want to go back. Is your WH also Italian?

I think you are in plan B - yes?
Do you have any contact at all with your WH?
How do you manage the children?

Hi Todd,

Noticed you have been missing a lot.

Are you doing ok ?

How is your sons back now?

Hey there Luna,

I don't know how to quote. I'm lucky I can get the words from one place to another.

I think you asked me what I decided to do for school. I've sent in all my application materials for an art education master's program. Now I sit & wait to see if I've been accepted or not.

Yes, I was waiting to empty my kiln (oven, tee hee). I emptied it yesterday late in the afternoon. The pieces won't be set up until tomorrow so I'll take pictures then. It thought you guys might find it interesting to see pieces after the first firing, glazed, then after the final firing. I tried to up load them onto the other site I had for the pictures I've already showed here but I wasn't able to. I may have to find another way to get them on the computer so others can see them.

Hi Pio,

This is my day off so I am catching up on TKO. I start my computer lessons after Christmas so perhaps it will be easier for me then?

By the way, your post to Todd was incredibly insightful. I hope Todd will forgive me for saying this but it comes from someone that has faced their mortality too. But, I think having a life threatening illness plays into the WS/BS equation too and the R possibility.

Please believe that I have a very good reason for asking you my next question.

When I said my H had fathered a child to another woman you made a comment about how we could love that child and that you had a son that your daughters love. Would you mind explaining?

I am just looking for some answers but don't want to show my hand just yet. Please forgive me, but I will explain later.

I did mean your health and general wellbeing as it happens. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I would not pressure you to talk about your marriage until you are good and ready. I understand you wanting to enjoy Christmas.

Everything is fantastic in the Kahuna household. Thanks for asking.

Hi Larousse,

I have actually been to Mexico City a couple of times. Once for a business deal and once for pleasure when a good friend was married. It is an interesting city. What is Popo up to at the moment ? Were you born there? For some reason I thought you were Fr--ch and thus very brave to be here.
( I promised never to say that word again on here)

I came to this thread very late so please excuse all my questions. I'm a little confused over your status on this site. How long were you married for? Are you a WS or a BS?
I guess you are recovered as I see you have been here a couple of years and recently had a BF. Are you divorced? Do you have any children? Sorry about all the questions. Maybe we should have to put all this information under our posting names or something and that would stop all the questions.

I am also so sorry this relationship ended for you. It must be even harder to sustain a relationship long distance. I couldn't manage it living in the same house! A friend of mine is currently madly in love and only communicates by email or phone calls. I feel so sorry for her, it must be so difficult to be far apart.

To everyone!!

Which actually brings me to a question. The friend that I mentioned has never met the love of her life, they met on an internet site. I struggle to understand her relationship. How do you fall in love with someone that could have two heads, or a wife/husband tucked away? Can someone explain to me the allure of having an EA? There are such horror stories about internet predators. Why would you put yourself in that position? I guess when you meet you both wear a yellow carnation in your lapel. It sounds pretty pathetic to me but I want to understand and support her, so any feedback would be welcome. Maybe I am just looking at it the wrong way ???

Cinderalla,

I will also be praying for you and that you have a good result with your MRI.

Nams,

Can't wait to see your next work. Don't forget to post pictures for us.


****Edit: Larousse, Luna just mentioned that I had asked very personal questions. Sorry, I was just trying to get to know you. Feel free to ignore me - I will not be offended.