Trust me, BigK harasses me plenty! Don't be fooled just because it's not on TKO! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It's been a loonnnggg time since I've not had my [censored] kicked by him!


I understand this. It can be good closure. I'm going to get reamed for advocating it, but it also gives your WH another chance to see what's going to be missing.


Sadly, it won't! <sigh>

You seem to be in better spirits today 2much. I'm so glad to see that. I was a little worried about you last night!


she leaves January 29 or sometime around then. WH wasn't sure if that was her last day there or her first day at the new place. That date is on a Monday, so I assume it's her first day at the new place. I can't wait!

Hi nams, luna, 2much and BigK! We have to do what we can to keep TKO alive so the wanderers know where to come back "home" to!

Beware of BigK, 2much!! If you've never had your butt kicked by him, watch out, you're about to!

I felt the exact same way as you regarding WH, H and SF. I could see through to other side and look at my H and not WH.

I see that nobody picked up on the 'french therapist' thing... and that would mean that the book I am reading is in?? guess what language??

...Todd must be biting his tongue if reading this...LOL!

Anyways...here it goes: Les Manipulateurs sont parmi nous by Isablle Nazare-Aga....if it has been translated, it would be something like: The manipulators are among us.

2much...that is a good idea.... fictional events of TKO members.... any idea about Larousse?

stph20??? ...do you need to come 'clean' like 2much about SF?



...PLAN B is to keep BS in line....for exactly that reason!

BTW, 2much...what's your view on PLAN B? ....going directly to plan D? ...I don't see what you would have to lose by trying PLAN B...besides keeping you in line with SF!

I'm squeaky clean luna!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I was a good girl for "most" of my ban from BigK! Thank goodness it's over though! For the most part....

Well Page 3 just will NOT do!!

Hi everyone.

Got over the respiratory infection and the eye infection. Just having ear problems - both ears. And my antibiotics messed up my mouth so it hurts to eat/swallow/talk. Treating that conservatively. Different antibiotic this week - for ears.

Doing traction for my2 herniated disks in my neck.

All of this and I am a healthy person? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Well, normally, I'm healthy. More sleep would help. Just sleep resistant theses days. I go through spells like that.

Here's another good book: The Underminer

I can't recall the author & can't find the book scattered among the rest. It's a short book, you can read it in a day. You will recognize people you know, even people close to you, in this book.

It's about those people in our lives who give the backhanded compliments, who say things like, "I could never do xyz because my pride wouldn't allow me to but there must be something good about it because I admire you & you've done it." This one actually happened to me. She's no longer in a position to be an underminer to me.

Cinder, I've been meaning to talk about my experience with herniated disks.

I had one herniated & one burst, as I recall. My fingers were numb & I had weakness in my arms & hands, plus pain in my back & neck. These were two disks in my upper neck region.

I tried physical therapy, some drugs but nothing helped so I had surgery. They removed the disks & replaced them with bone from my hip.

This was about 16, 17 years ago. I have limited mobility in my neck & my neck pretty much always has some degree of pain. It seems the tips of a few fingers, mostly my index & middle fingers can feel numb, most often due to cold but some other times as well.

Am I better off than before, yes, but I think I'd work much harder at exhausting other possibilities before having that surgery again.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Hi Nams,

To me, an underminer...or a manipulator... pretty well describes a variation on the same theme.... bottom line....someone trying to get you to DO what they want, DOUBT yourself, THINK what THEY want, for their own purpose, and only taking into account their own objectives!



Good for you Nams....that's what needs to happen if we want to clean up our act!

I figured that's why a WS is daaannngerous....based on the book I am reading....if not a 'total manipulator'... definitely a WS is into manipulative WAYS in a major way!

Cind....good to hear from you...even though you might have trouble 'hearing'...LOL!

Gosh...'sounds' like you are into a lot antibiotics..... I have 'heard' (LOL), if they help on one end, over a long period of time...it may not be good for immune system....and you should look into eating a lot of yagourt to help it along!



...OUUUCH! You are very courageous.....Cind.

uhmmm....page 5!

so... just bumping the thread....

don't have anything to report back.....which more or less supports the idea, particularly in the case of a BS .....that no news is good news!

I found this for you guys:


Mistakes on a resume - These are from actual resumes:

"Personal: I'm married with 9 children. I don't require prescription drugs.

"I am extremely loyal to my present firm, so please don't let them know of my immediate availability."

"Qualifications: I am a man filled with passion and integrity, and I can act on short notice. I'm a class act and do not come cheap."

"I intentionally omitted my salary history. I've made money and lost money. I've been rich and I've been poor. I prefer being rich."

"Note: Please don't misconstrue my 14 jobs as 'job-hopping'. I have never quit a job."

"Number of dependents: 40."

"Marital Status: Often. Children: Various."

RESUME BLOOPERS

"Here are my qualifications for you to overlook."

REASONS FOR LEAVING THE LAST JOB:

"Responsibility makes me nervous."

"They insisted that all employees get to work by 8:45 every morning. Couldn't work under those conditions."

REASONS FOR LEAVING MY LAST JOB:

"Was met with a string of broken promises and lies, as well as cockroaches."

"I was working for my mom until she decided to move."

"The company made me a scapegoat - just like my three previous employers."

JOB RESPONSIBILITIES:

"While I am open to the initial nature of an assignment, I am decidedly disposed that it be so oriented as to at least partially incorporate the experience enjoyed heretofore and that it be configured so as to ultimately lead to the application of more rarefied facets of financial management as the major sphere of responsibility."

"I was proud to win the Gregg Typting Award."

SPECIAL REQUESTS & JOB OBJECTIVES:

"Please call me after 5:30 because I am self-employed and my employer does not know I am looking for another job."

"My goal is to be a meteorologist. But since I have no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage."

"I procrastinate - especially when the task is unpleasant."

PHYSICAL DISABILITIES:

"Minor allergies to house cats and Mongolian sheep."

PERSONAL INTERESTS:

"Donating blood. 14 gallons so far."

SMALL TYPOS THAT CAN CHANGE THE MEANING:

"Education: College, August 1880-May 1984."

"Work Experience: Dealing with customers' conflicts that arouse."

"Develop and recommend an annual operating expense fudget."

"I'm a rabid typist."

"Instrumental in ruining entire operation for a Midwest chain operation."

Thanks for those Luna. Love getting the day started with a laugh.

Luna,

My thoughts on my doing plan B...I have seriously contemplated but don't know if it is worth it at this time for the following reasons: 1) WH serial cheater 2) long hx of lying throughout M 3)WH states "cultural" reason for insistance on "privacy" entire M and don't think it will ever change

The "privacy" issue improved gradually over 11 yr of M but not to my satisfaction ex. no longer closes door in another room to speak on phone (probably conducts all "private" calls outside of home now in cell phone age). Still has drawers or areas that are "off limits", private friends that are "off limits" etc. Things that are not to be discussed "outside the home" or "with other people"...

I originally thought all of this was cultural but recently since this last string of A's think it was all manipulative behavior to be able to successfully keep his "private" life alive and me not ruining his web of lies allowing the two worlds to collide. Can all of this change??? VERY Doubtful. Additionally, due to my career I will be relocating with the kids in the summer and this will be a natural plan B. WH has openly stated that he doesn't think he is capable of being completely honest nor does he choose to be open and transparent...he verbally acknowledged that since those were dealbreakers with me he would remain outside the home b/c he would not attempt to comply with these conditions.

Hi 2much,



...uhmmm....I find the summer a long way off when having to deal with a WS!

You will notice in my signature....went into PLAN B...for my own sanity....literally!

...so...I am not thinking so much about recovering your M.... I am actually more concerned about you..... I found dealing with a WS very very damaging, both emotionally and psychologically....

...please keep it in mind...and be ready to go into PLAN B as soon as you think contact with WS is affecting you...TOO MUCH...LOL!

I agree with Luna 2Much.

And they are not conditions but Boundaries

Good morning/afternoon/goodnight!

....page 4...that will not do!

Alright...let's get started...

Here some 'clean jokes' for you all:


Q: Where do polar bears vote?
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A: The North Poll.

An old occupation

What happens when people of different occupations get old.

- Old daredevils never die, they just get discouraged.

- Old deans never die, they just lose their faculties.

- Old doctors never die, they just lose their patience.

- Old electricians never die, they just lose contact.


Math one-liner

Maths Teacher: Now suppose the number of sheep is x...

Golfing with an older man

A young man who was also an avid golfer found himself with a few hours to spare one afternoon. He figured if he hurried and played very fast, he could get in nine holes before he had to head home. Just as he was about to tee off an old gentleman shuffled onto the tee and asked if he could accompany the young man as he was golfing alone. Not being able to say no, he allowed the old gent to join him.

To his surprise the old man played fairly quickly. He didn't hit the ball far, but plodded along consistently and didn't waste much time. Finally, they reached the 9th fairway and the young man found himself with a tough shot. There was a large pine tree right in front of his ball - and directly between his ball and the green.

After several minutes of debating how to hit the shot the old man finally said, "You know, when I was your age I'd hit the ball right over that tree."

With that challenge placed before him, the youngster swung hard, hit the ball up, right smack into the top of the tree trunk and it thudded back on the ground not a foot from where it had originally lay.

The old man offered one more comment, "Of course, when I was your age that pine tree was only three feet tall."

Ok...

drive-by....
...for the sake of 'bumping' thread!

Thanks for the laughs Luna.

Luna,

I wrote you a heartfelt post about plan B last night just at the same time the site went wacky and wouldn't let me post for the rest of the night...

I think I will eventually either need to just get on with the D paperwork or go completely dark with a LSA. It has been 3 months with WH gone and I haven't once asked him a personal question...haven't initiated an email, text or phone call except if regarding child care issues...do not discuss anything personal.

WH has recently increased phone calls, drive buys and is now buying me gifts???? He is inviting me to spend time with he and kids and very interested in my appearance, whereabouts etc. It is getting harder to resist his charms.

I think my 2 biggest problems are:
1) having him out of the house has dulled my memory and lately he is only showing me the best parts of himself to me...almost plan A'ing me from a distance which I don't understand b/c he only 3wk ago told me he could not live with the boundaries/conditions that I had listed when he was saying he wanted to come back home. Anyway, with him gone he is more appealling b/c I don't see all the stuff that made me so upset like all the texts, phone calls, gifts from OPs etc. I don't know if they continue or not

2) Twice now my kids have insisted I go with them to an activity with WH saying "If you don't go Mom we aren't going...do it for us mom." Once it was just the family and it was over the holiday and the other time they had some friends and their parents there as well but if I am going to go to a real plan B how do I explain to the kids without them thinking that I am just mean and bitter...they know why WH is gone but I just don't know how to explain why we shouldn't be in the same room or spend time together...can you help me out? I tried explaining to them that WH chooses to live without his family and that it is too painful to mommy to spend time with dad when he only wants us when it is convenient for him. I don't want to bash or make them feel any more unloved than they may already feel...how do you explain it...I also feel bad b/c most likely we will be moving far, far away in less than 6 months and they will only see WH 2-3 times per year. I realize I am not the cause of this but explaining to 10 and unders is pretty hard...advice?

"The number of sheep is x ..." - don't get it. Can somebody explain?

I am an idiot after all!