Luke 6

Luke 23


Is that an empty feel good gesture by Jesus as well?

John 20

BigK, but we also have to follow the biblical principle laid out for forgiveness. We can't ignore it just because it isn't mentioned in each and every verse. Belief in Jesus Christ is not mentioned in each and every verse about salvation, but that does not mean the condition changed and faith in Jesus is nullified.

2 Corinthians?


Interesting that forgiveness is linked to Satan outwitting us.

well, believer, you are just more holy than the rest of us. Did Jesus forgive you BEFORE you ever repented and asked? Is everyone, therefore, forgiven?

Mel - I think we may have different religions. I'm for sure not holy, and have committed more sins than most here. But my beliefs tell me that Jesus paid for my sins, on the cross, way earlier than I was born.

Colosians 3

MF, does Jesus live with a "spirit of unforgiveness" because not everyone accepts his gift? Does he force this gift cheaply to those who dont want it?

Interesting, by my count anyway, there are more scriptures dealing with forgiveness than repentance. And every scripture that says repent first then forgive is dealing with forgiving a brother who has sinned against you.

believer, I am not talking about "beliefs" but about what the Bible says. We know what we know about Jesus from the Bible.

well, this is entered the realm of the ridiculous, BigK. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree because I don't see that this is going anywhere.

Well, back the topic of this thread.

LilSis, Push for your WH to have the boys with him on NYE?


Might depend on how you push. How about this?

"WH, It's been a while since you spent any time with the boys, and I have plans for NYE, so I'll be dropping the boys off with you at such-and-such o'clock." Make it a "no ifs, ands, or buts" type of thing.

Then show up with the boys, looking absolutely fabulous, and go out somewhere. Maybe you could go out with your best friend, but don't tell your WH what you're doing. Let him wonder.

If he manages to get an objection in over having the boys over to FiL's, raise one eyebrow and tell him that it's been a while since you had a chance to get out for some fun; and, since you have the opportunity, you figure that it's your turn. Then, give him a s!ht-eating grin with a toss of your head, say, "You guys have fun! C-loveya-bye!" and sashay your fanny right on out the door!

Do this with an air of great confidence. Leave him in a state of shock (that YOU are going out somewhere to have FUN...and looking hot, to boot!)

If you can't go somewhere with your best friend, treat yourself to a nice meal somewhere...maybe think of some other friend you can drop in on...or you could simply do something that you enjoy doing alone...maybe even just go to church, since it is Sunday. Just don't go home until later in the evening. You don't want your car to be seen in your driveway. Oh...and turn your cellphone OFF! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

LilSis not only still has a knife in her back

but WH and RT are still holding that knife and pushing it in deeper and twisting it now and then

more appropriate timing for this interesting and stimulating debate about everyone's idea of forgiveness is probably after the knife has been withdrawn from LilSis's back

LilSis is still in crisis, despite her cool demeanor and intellectual equilibrium

my personal opinion, of course
so do as you will
but perhaps you could take it to a separate thread???

Pep

ditto this

THANK YOU PEP. I've been acutely aware of the knife this morning, for some reason.

Now, back to our story...

Lady C: I like it. I really like it. Some are born responsible, some achieve responsibility and some have responsibility thrust upon them. Maybe it's time WH had some responsibility thrust upon him.

Your plan is simple, easily executed, yet strategic. Kills two birds...he spends some much needed time with the boys, and he is left with an image of me off to have a smokin' hot good time, to whoop it up without him...not at home moping. That's Change.

Any other thoughts or suggestions? I only have a few hours here to come up with a really killer plan.

Thank you, all.

LadyC gave you a killer plan. I would give it a try, but don't be disappointed if he weasels out somehow. This would make OW very angry (being NYE and all), so your WH will be motivated to shirk his responsibility.

Yep, however...FIL is a backup for my side. I believe he would make it VERY difficult for WH to weasel out. I know he can't force WH to do anything (as he reminds me with annoying frequency), but he sure can make it uncomfortable. And he'd probably still watch the boys even if WH did weasel out, and then at least I'm still able to make the point that I've got a life.

Any possible DOWNSIDES to this plan?

The only downside I can see is if WH says something hurtful and your boys get the idea that he doesn't want them.

Had to go back to something like page 31 but I knew it was here somewhere.

OUCH, Neak!! Didn't get a chance to reply what with all the forgiveness discussion last night, but that one was like a kick in the gut.

That was acutally kind of an issue with WH and I...he's 6'3" and I'm 5'1" with shoes. When we hug, I come up to the middle of his chest. To kiss, it was kind of a joke that I'd have to stand on a step. Otherwise, I'm balanced on tippy toes and he's hunched over.

Anyway, RT CLEARLY used that to her advantage. She's like 5'8". One of the icky, icky, icky emails I discovered on d-day said something like, "stomach to stomach, hip to hip, perfectly matched to one another..." (actually, that's EXACTLY what she wrote...sort of seared in my brain)

Know where you were going with that one, though. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Stop thinking about those emails. GAG.

One of these days, you MUST read Neak's story. You wouldn't believe the sleaziness that she endured.