Yes, Pariah, as a matter of fact, I do.

But whatever gave you the idea that Christians are immune from sin and the temptations of the world, or the same things that tempt non-Christians?

As for his being a Deacon in his church, I agree with you, the Pastor needs to be informed because NO Deacon should be entrusted with "standing for God" and "in service to God's children" when he is actively involved in willful sin against God, which it would appear that this OM is doing.

Inform the OM's wife, but leave the children out of it. I know you are angry, justifiably so, but just as you might shoot someone who invades your home threatening to kill your family, you don't go off and shoot his children for what he has done.

God bless.

Owl, I know for a fact it was an accident as it happened with my grandfather's old colt peacemaker. There was some wear on the first [censored] notch, enough for the hammer to still touch a round. I personally had checked the gun and made sure it was on drop safe. I was putting it in my holster when it caught my beltloop and pulled the hammer back just enough to set it off. The bullet entered behind my knee and exited my ankle.
I lost about 4 pints of blood and went into shock.


Maybe2, I'm not so stupid that I'll go off and brandish a firearm or shoot someone even. However I do keep one close by as mrmr threatened me if I went to his wife.
I just got over a bullet wound, I definately DON'T want another.

Forever, I like your attitude, but I'm jaded for now.

The bullet entered behind my knee and exited my ankle.
I lost about 4 pints of blood and went into shock.


Damn THAT musta hurt!!! No I don't think that you are going around half cocked (pun).

FH... I'm puzzled by your posts.

You have claimed often in other threads that the only way to live a moral life is to be a Christian -- IOW, that only Christians are capable of moral behavior. But in this thread, you are implying that Christians are not immune from temptations and sinful behavior.

Can't you see how hypocritical that is? I sure can. I can't wait to see you explain this one away. Where's WAT when I need him?

OK Pariah...I'll buy your explanation...unless you think that somehow you were brainwashed into shooting yourself? (JUST KIDDING...and getting on myself for jumping to a conclusion without ANY kind of facts!!) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

You are lucky to be alive...sounds like it had to have come close to the femoral artery.

Christians aren't immune from temptation...quite the contrary, they become a target for it. But, that does NOT give an excuse to anyone for giving in to it. And I'm sure that's what was meant in the other post.

So what's your gameplan for dealing with your marital situation?

Exacerbation and nuclear cleansing once I can get around better and return to work.

hey GBH...NOT a helpful post at this time. You wanna get in an argument with Pariah later, that's fine. But right now is not the time to be going thru this.

Pariah,

I hear you! As an infantry first sergeant, I can tell you that shooting my wife's OM ranks right along the scale of me shooting Osama. It would not take me a second to do so, and I would not have any remorse.

That being said...I want to caution you to check that attitude! It will not get you where you want and you will in the end, be seen by all around as the bad guy. Now is the time to use your head.

I was once told that revenge is best served cold. You should heed that. Which means you need to cool down and get a handle on things before making any decisions.

It is okay to tell the OMW, his pastor...even put up a billboard if you want. It is not okay to intentionally hurt children!

If you want to hurt this guy...if you really want to hurt him...then it is best done with you coming out smelling like a rose. maintain the high ground. Which means you have to use your head. And not your anger.

There are ways to get to this guy. Overt ways include exposure to wife and others around him. Covert ways include many things. I even liked these two examples someone told me before...that I list below:

1. One guy went to the library, got magazines off the shelf, and took out those little cards where you can order a year's subscription and can check for them to bill you later. he put the OM's name and address on it, and sent them in. Seems the OM got about 40 magazine subscriptions over the next month, to all sorts of magazines. And since they had already sent him his first issue...they wanted payment!

2. Another guy decided to do even better. He called every service technician in the area (plumber, electrician, etc). arranged for them to come out to "his" house (the OM's house) to fix something. He had them show up on a Saturday morning, when he knew the OM would be home. Then, this guy sat down the street with a cup of coffee on saturday morning and watched as 20 work vans showed up. And of course, you know that those guys want to get paid for jsut showing up!!

Now...I am NOT condoning these actions, because if these guys had gotten caught, there would be some laws they would have probably been in violation of. But the point here was that they used their heads. They didnt fly off the handle. They caused pain and suffering to the OM without getting confrontational.

Now, knowing this and knowing how I feel deep down about this...do you know what I did to my wife's OM?

Nothing! I did absolutely nothing outside of the exposure stuff. Why? Because as a Christian, I decided to trust God that He would take much better revenge upon this low life. He says in Scripture that revenge is His, that He will repay! And I am quite sure He is much better at doing it than I am.

And although the Army guy in me wanted to "tear this guy a new one," I have found that because I turned my anger over to God, that I actually feel much better than I would have if I had struck back. Make no mistake...I had walked thru many scenarios on how I would seek my revenge on this guy. He hurt my kids...he destroyed my wife. Not a smart guy!!

But in the end, my wife and those around me saw restraint...and saw me take the high ground. I am not sorry that I did it that way.

But I guarantee that if you continue down this line, you will be sorry.

I'm already the bad guy in my home.

I sent a cd to his wife's job with their conversations on it.

MY wife STILL denies EVERYTHING!

And she calls ME stupid.

Mort wrote:

I was once told that revenge is best served cold. You should heed that. Which means you need to cool down and get a handle on things before making any decisions.


maybe2late:

This is so true. My wife has an EA for about a year and we are togther now working on our M and pretty happy overall. Well we have heard that the OM in her life is not happy in his M and CAN'T STAND that my wife is happy with me. He thought that they would be M one day and I would be out of the picture.

I feel so bad for this guy. NOT He wakes up every morning thinking of my wife and how he is not with her, I am. So so sad.

These people are telling you the path to take to achive your goals - listen to them.

It does work

M2L

Actually that's an ancient Klingon Proverb. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously, though, Pariah, listen to what mortar and others are saying. Stay calm cool and collected. Take the high road. Don't do something that could end your own life or destroy your future (and your kid's). Be patient, expose to OMW and fight a guerilla war. Gather enough evidence so if the day comes to go to court, you can turn your underground war into a full on D-Day on the Normandy beaches.

Here's the sound file of her wanting me dead.

http://wltison.home.comcast.net/images/mactruck.wav

Enjoy, as she denies it's her.

Hate Does More Dammage To The Vein It's Stored Than To Those It's Poured.

I can tell how badly you are hurting. I sm so sorry about the pain your child is also going through. Have You cried, or are you just holding this all in and letting it boil?

I just found out my husband has been haveing an affair. I made him leave and tell the kids (17. amd 12) why I was makeing him leave. They were devestated! I wish I had not involved them. This other woman has a child also...it would kill my daughter if she knew it was a girl. I am sure this womans daughter is a precious sweet little girl and that her mother loves her as much as I love my children. The little girl is not the issue..the infidelity is.

Children are children for such a short time before they are thrust out into this big bad world...why crush them..why make them deal with issues you yourself are haveing a difficut time dealing with...and you are an adult. You are better than this...under all that hurt and anger is the man your wife fell in love with. Hang on!!

She wished that man dead.

I sent his wife a package of evidence to her work.

GBH - Let's see if we can "unpuzzle" some of your "puzzlement, okay?

You have claimed often in other threads that the only way to live a moral life is to be a Christian -- IOW, that only Christians are capable of moral behavior.

GBH, I have never made such a claim. You are either misunderstanding what I have said or deliberately distorting what I've said in some sort of presuppositional bias against Christians. So let's just assume it's a simple matter of misunderstanding and not the latter.

For the record, anyone can live a "moral life" by whatever Standard one chooses to embrace for themselves. A "moral life" is not the exclusive prerogative of Christians. For Christians, God establishes the Standards and Christians embrace (or should embrace) those Standards that are intended to help one live what could be called a "moral life" as they submit their will to the Lord's will, especially in matters when their "flesh" wants them to something that is "wrong" according to God's unchanging Standards.

Non-Christians, or non-believers in any supreme being, can choose any "set of Standards" that they want to. Some, because of personal preference and/or societal influence, will choose many of the same Standards (but usually not all of them) that God has established (for example, love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and thou shalt have no other gods before me) that God has established.

The issue is NOT the willingness to live a "moral life." It is the capacity to live one and the applicability of anyone's chosen set of personal "Moral Standards" to anyone other than the individual theirself.

The FACT is that "Morals" not founded in faith in God and His Standards are subject to change and are NOT applicable to anyone other than each individual, unless they are "imposed" by some outside authority other than God, i.e., the society that one lives in. When society "gets to choose" what the Moral Standards are that it tries to make "universal" to everyone, they are subject to changes in societal "acceptability." For example, God says plainly and unchanging, "Thou shalt not murder." Society used to say that abortion was wrong (and therefore immoral) not that long ago. Today Society has said that abortion is "okay" and "moral" and the sole prerogative of a woman, regardless of what anyone else might say or think or hold to a "different" set of "Moral Values."

In short, the issue regardling "Moral Standards" is one of Authority. WHO has the authority to set the standards so that they apply to everyone regardless of any personal opinions or desires? Only God has that authority. Of course, if one rejects God, then God's Moral Standards "do not apply" to them, even though the truth is that they still operate despite that person's opinion BECAUSE God's truth is not dependent upon human opinion.

What that leaves us with quite simply is that "Human derived Morals" are relative (subject to change) and God's Moral Standards are NOT relative, they are absolute regardless of opposing opinions.

One last example to "prove the difference," if I may. God's Standard is that marriage is between one man and one woman, for life. ONLY marital infidelity, according to God, is grounds for divorce. "Society," on the other hand, has blessed divorce and given people "no fault divorce"(very much like the old Jewish "law" in effect in Jewish society at the time of Jesus Christ that allowed a man to divorce his wife for any reason whatsoever simply by giving her a written 'bill of divorcement') in order to let people do whatever they want to do with NO binding standards. Today, there are places where one merely has to say "I divorce you" three times and they are divorced.

One more example; It used to be, not that long ago, that children born out of wedlock were deemed by societal standards to be "bas*ard," i.e., "less than those born within marriage." Today, the number of children born out of wedlock, due in my opinion to a dramatic degradation in "Morals" in our society, is commonplace and "accepted" as "okay." A change in "Moral Standards," no?


But in this thread, you are implying that Christians are not immune from temptations and sinful behavior.

I "imply" no such thing. I state it categorically, Christians are subject to the same temptations and sometimes fall into sinful behavior that are common to all people. NO Christian is immune from sin. We live in a sinful world and have the same sin-nature that we were born with. Being a Christian in a close walk with the Lord gives a Christian the ability to obey God and to resist temptations, but NO Christian is "sin free" or "sinless." The ONLY difference between a Christian and a non-Christian is that Christians are able to have their sins forgiven by God BECAUSE of Jesus Christ and what He did on our behalf. Make no mistake about it, GBH, there are many people who "call" themselves "Christians" who never have been truly saved. That's not much different from someone who calls himself\herself anything, but does NOT truly believe what that "thing" fundamentally means nor follow the "standards" of that "thing." For example, a person could call themselves an "Honest Person," yet reject being "totally honest" and willfully engage in lying, stealing, etc. while still thinking of themselves as an "Honest Person." Just because they think they are, and may even be in enough denial to believe they are, does NOT make them an "Honest Person."


Can't you see how hypocritical that is? I sure can. I can't wait to see you explain this one away. Where's WAT when I need him?

No, there is nothing "hypocritical" in what I said. You may think there is, but that would seem to be based in your misunderstanding, not based in the truth.

So, I'm not "explaining" anything "away." I believe I have clearly stated exactly what I mean. You are certainly free to disagree with me, just so long as you don't attempt to put words in my mouth to "prove some point" you might want to make.

As for WorthATry's whereabouts, I have no idea. I haven't seen him around MB for some time. But if you feel you need some assistance, I'm sure you could contact him and ask him to comment.

God bless.

Well here I am.

On January 13th, I confronted my wife and she promptly dropped me off on the side of the road and abandoned me.

NO LIE!

I couldn't even walk and she dropped me off in the middle of nowhere and by the time I managed to get home the locks were changed.

All I got was my bird.

She filed for divorce on "irreconscilable differences".

I got an attorney and countered with adultery, abandonment, cruel treatment.

She took ALL the equity out of the house and filed the taxes.

She "claimed" she paid off marital debt with the equity, but could only prove $5000 with the discovery I filed.

There is $30,000 missing.

We saw the Judge last thursday and he ordered her to amend the taxes to file jointly and give me half of the combined totals.

He also ordered us to resolve the house or he will force her to sell it.

We had tried to negotiate before seeing the judgee, but it was a complete gridlock as she insisted she was entitled to everything.

Her attorney asked me what I wanted and I presented a list of my personal property and asked for half of the house equity.

She countered with wnating half of my retirement and I added if she took half of my $60,000 hospital bill since she has insisted on paying off "marital debt" and the judge agreed.

We are now back to square one as she has no money to pay me my half.

She just better get a loan now.


I did contact OMW and she and I are good friends now. I gave her all of my evidence and she gave me her's.

OM dumped my wife like third period french and SS is completely freaked out from her lying and telling him I just abandoned him and her.

I have it in the discovery for him to hear the tapes and to be questioned about the affair if we have to squabble over the house. He will learn the truth one way or another. It's despicable, but I'm tired of catching the blame.

what a biatch! good riddance.

If she is broke, wonder where the 30K went.

Larry