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BS (Me) - 33 WW - 31 Married 14 years, together 17 Daughter: 16 yrs old Separated: 12/29/06 D-Day: 2/2/07, EA/PA With Co-Worker Plan B Started: 3/6/07 D filed by WW: 4/18/07 Olive Branch offered (Plan B resumed after): 8/8/07 R Attempt by WW: 9/1/07 NC Established: 9/4/07 NC Broken: 9/5/07, 9/6/07 Status: Plan B, Pt. II (9/10/07)
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Jayban - Can I copy the things your wife spouted? I've been keeping a list of things they say after exposure, and these sure would be helpful.

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BS (Me) - 33 WW - 31 Married 14 years, together 17 Daughter: 16 yrs old Separated: 12/29/06 D-Day: 2/2/07, EA/PA With Co-Worker Plan B Started: 3/6/07 D filed by WW: 4/18/07 Olive Branch offered (Plan B resumed after): 8/8/07 R Attempt by WW: 9/1/07 NC Established: 9/4/07 NC Broken: 9/5/07, 9/6/07 Status: Plan B, Pt. II (9/10/07)
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What is especially good is when the BS is considering exposure and the list is posted beforehand. It is absolutely AMAZING how much they all say the same thing. I think it takes some of the sting out when the BS has already heard the response here.

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BS (Me) - 33 WW - 31 Married 14 years, together 17 Daughter: 16 yrs old Separated: 12/29/06 D-Day: 2/2/07, EA/PA With Co-Worker Plan B Started: 3/6/07 D filed by WW: 4/18/07 Olive Branch offered (Plan B resumed after): 8/8/07 R Attempt by WW: 9/1/07 NC Established: 9/4/07 NC Broken: 9/5/07, 9/6/07 Status: Plan B, Pt. II (9/10/07)
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We usually just advise people to say they will do what it takes to save the marriage. It would be good to have some more responses, but beats me. How could you respond to your MIL's outburst? It just makes no sense.

In a marriage a spouse should never have occasion to hire a PI.

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I would tell MIL to stick it where the sun don't shine. Ask her if she would hire a PI if she knew her husband who swore to stay faithful to her until death was f*cking another woman. Tell her that your WW is committing adultery, and she is the one in the wrong, not you. The only reason she left you is for the OM.


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JB,

Why are you arguing with MIL? Plan B the biatch.

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Everything that everyone said she would say: Has been said.


That may all be true JB but don't forget one thing - her situation is "unique". <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Jay, let my just start off by saying you are doing a great job of fighting for you M and that you are getting some excellent advice here.

I would especially focus on what SD is saying about the "carrot" of Plan A. Dig deep within yourself and find out what you were doing wrong...then work on fixing them. If you were demanding of your WW...stop, if you were disrespecful...stop, if you angry with her...stop.

Also, try to determine what her most important EN's were and work on meeting them. She will probabably fight you when you try to meet them, but you need to be consistent. You need to plant the seeds now that will hopefully grow in the months to come. She will be looking for you to slip up and resort to the old Jay...don't give her that opourtunity.

As for talking to your WW or MIL right now, I would agree with believer and suggest you just back off for a while and let the dust settle as NOTHING you do right now will be viewed upon positively by your WW. I was there and it is extremely confusing so just give her some space now and let exposure do its work while trying to meet her needs whenever you get a chance. It will be more difficult because she has moved out and that is why you really need to gaurd her $LB right now.

Take comfort in the fact that she is saying and doing what we all expected. The names may change, but the story plays out the same.

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BS (Me) - 33 WW - 31 Married 14 years, together 17 Daughter: 16 yrs old Separated: 12/29/06 D-Day: 2/2/07, EA/PA With Co-Worker Plan B Started: 3/6/07 D filed by WW: 4/18/07 Olive Branch offered (Plan B resumed after): 8/8/07 R Attempt by WW: 9/1/07 NC Established: 9/4/07 NC Broken: 9/5/07, 9/6/07 Status: Plan B, Pt. II (9/10/07)
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Jay,

Exposing them to both of their bosses and getting both of them fired is more likely to end their affair more quickly. Once the A is over, you will have a chance to save your M. Don't doubt yourself. The first week is always ******. I exposed to my WW's boss and she swore that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Guess what? I'm not divorced. She is trying to intimidate you into not getting them fired and having to live with the consequences of their actions. If OM gets fired, he is likely going to find that your WW is not worth the trouble. Your WW is FURIOUS that you may have ruined it between her and OM. She may very well file for D. So what? She was already screwing some OM. You can drag out a D for a year. I doubt this A will last that long if you expose to OM's parents and get him fired. He will likely move somewhere else away from your WW to finish his graduate school. She will be left alone, a social pariah, with nothing. She will come back to you as long as you make yourself a safe landing spot. Do not shield WW from the consequences of her actions.

Your goal is to break WW and OM up before the D is final and/or you lose all your love for your WW. OM is the reason that your WW wants to leave you. Get rid of OM, and you can start working on your M again. GET OM OUT OF THE PICTURE!!!


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NC agreed to - 11/8/06
NC broken - 11/28/06, 12/16/06, 1/18/07, 1/26/07, 1/27/07
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Jay, if you need someone to talk to email me your phone number. My email is on my profile. You will make it through this.


Jim

BS - 32 (me)
FWW - 33
Married 8/31/03
No kids (but 3 cats)
D-Days - 8/25/06 (EA), 11/3/06 (PA)
NC agreed to - 11/8/06
NC broken - 11/28/06, 12/16/06, 1/18/07, 1/26/07, 1/27/07
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Exposure facilitates the ending of the affair. You are, in fact, done UNLESS the affair ends.

Divorce papers do not mean the end either.

Exposure didn't hurt her, her choice to have an adulterous affair hurt her.

If you do end up speaking to FIL/MIL about the timing of the affair and your wife moving out perhaps indicate that you KNOW the truth but have been advised by your attorney to withhold such information until any potential deposition of your WW. But, tell them that they can certainly obtain the truth outside of just trusting your WW by simply requesting copies of her cell phone and home phone bills prior to September, 2006. You may even have evidence on your home phone bills from prior to September, 2006 (but more likely local calls won't appear and she used her cell phone primarily). I can bet that WW will tell them no way and just expect them to take her word for it. You could even tell them you bet she'll deny them access to such record in advance because she's lying.

I guarantee..she began the relationship (at least an EA) prior to moving out. From everything you said about her move out and need for space back then it's just obvious.

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You need a face to face with your daughter too.

Record it.

So you can document just what your WW told your daughter about the situation. How she portrayed you may play out in a custody battle.

Also, so YOU can't be accused of misinforming your DD15 and tainting her inappropriately against your WW.

The best way to diffuse your DD15's upset is a question I've seen Steve Harley advise many times to MB'ers.

The question is: "When is it right, OK, appropritate, etc to have an affair"??????

There is no defense to that question. Nothing you have done compares. WW has no right to destroy you and carry on a secret relationship with OM. (I am surprised you haven't heard the typical wayward defense that she told you she was dating other people explicitly....this MAY be one thing she told your daughter...expect it, then respond, if I knew why would I need a private investigator???)

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JB,

She is furious because she doesn't want you to end her affair. All WW's get furious at exposure. They all threaten divorce. They don't have anything else to bargain with.

Her A is already beginning to face reality. Keep up the pressure. Only once that the A is out in the light of day will it wither up and die. Whether you can recover the A after that remains to be seen but one thing I know for sure is that you will never have any chance while the A is still going on. You cannot go toe to toe with OM. No BS can. The WS has a mental image of OM something akin to Superman. If OM where real, you might have a chance. Problem is he is not real - he is every bit of the fantasy that your WW has created.

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DD15 likely has loved the last few months of freedom. I would be great if you explored a little, while recording, just how much her mother has been home. She'll be easily bluffable that you know a lot about what's been going on lately and know she's been left basically parentless the last few months.

You may get her on tape explaining it.

Part of the bluff. Explore with her whether or not she knew WW was having an affair with OM. Explain that you just found out your wife was having an affair but you'd be soooo much more hurt if you discovered that your own daughter knew and kept it from you. Her guilt MAY get her to come clean with everything she knows.

This is tricky. Your daughter is not to be utilized as a source of information, but if she's guilty of anything in this she needs to come clean before you can obviously grant her forgiveness. Further, if she's guilty she'll be foggy herself until the truth is revealled. I'm troubled by her defensiveness already but who knows what WW told her.

Like I said...tricky sitch.

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I agree about your daughter... you can find out what she knows and get it on tape... your wife will then have to be confronted by your lawyer about involving a minor in a illicit affair.

You need to have a plan for all options, I know you want to recover your marriage but you have to have your bases covered. Your daughter is your daughter, but she is can be manipulating you and be manipulated so you need to take care of her.

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Your daughter certainly knew your wife was spending MANY entire nights out.

She's 15, did she really think WW was out working at the soup kitchen????

Like Viking said..if she knew and WW implicated and used DD15 to facilitate her adultery PLUS the school attendance record MAY get you custody of your daughter despite the preferences of your daughter. Your daughters preference is only one factor in the "best interest of the child" test.

You MAY choose to preempt any divorce filing by filing a restraining order or emergency custody motion with the court seeking to protect your daughter from OM and/or WW.

Also, you may choose to call protective services on your own wife. I don't know.

Try to get some sleep and eat right. Plan A is also about you being an attractive choice in this matter. You need physical and mental strength to continue this fight. YOU matter and YOU will make it. When you get meds also consider getting some Ambien (not the extended release ones only the ones that assist you actually getting to sleep assuming once you get to sleep you stay that way).

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When you expose be sure the let the know that this was going on before you separated and that is why she wanted to separate and get her space. I think your WW has conned your MIL into thinking that this just up and happened after your M went downhill and she had to move out. This was going on for at least 4-5 months, so try and get proof of it, including phone records. Find out OM's number and get records from your landline and cell phone companies with his number on it. I'm sure that you will find excessive calls. You need to get the point across that the reason your WW wanted to leave you was because she started a relationship with the OM, and that you think she'll come back once it's over.


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NC agreed to - 11/8/06
NC broken - 11/28/06, 12/16/06, 1/18/07, 1/26/07, 1/27/07
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One of the first outings she had with this new group of friends was a divorce party for one of the male co-workers. She invited me to come with her, I declined. I don't think divorce is a joyous occasion - at all. The first impression of these new friends was made for me, and after one more declined invitation to go out drinking with them and my wife I never received another.

This is early September 2006, and we both (my wife and I) found ourselves spending less and less time together when at home. I was pre-occupied with hobbies because I (for once) preferred a quiet and cheaper (!) life at home until better financial times came. She began to not come home after her two school nights a week - at first it was 2 hrs late, then later. She got out of school at 9:30 or so, and began to come home at 1, 2, 4 in the morning. On two of these occasions, she smelled like alcohol. This was very unlike her, as she was not a drinker at all. On one occasion, she came home at 5 in the morning - still drunk.

She was always vague about who she was with, she seemed to skirt the issue and gave vague references that she was with the clique of friends from her work. I never pressed, I trust(ed) her. I was upset, of course, and expressed that to her. I was worried about her safety first. Later, my spouse would tell me that it was late Sept that she began to seriously prepare herself for leaving me. At this time, we had probably had sex once or twice in the since July return from vacation. We would not have sex again until late December.

In October, her mother made a surprise appearance at our home. My mother-in-law flew in from out of state and stayed with us. During this time, my mother-in-law approached us together and asked me about getting a second job. Later, I would find out that the mom-in-law flew out to talk my spouse out of leaving me, and the advice mother gave to her was "have no doubts before you do". It was at this time that my wife began to quit paying the bills and depositing her checks. As the months went on, there would be fights over bills not being paid that I had to pay for out of mortgage money. As a result, we fell behind for the first time. My salary paid half the bills, her salary paid the other half. (Actually closer to a 60/40 split). In Oct and Nov numerous utilities were shut off, and I had to pay extraordinate amounts to get them turned back on.

Your initial post on this very thread....before you even knew your wife was being unfaithful, indicates pretty clearly her affair began PRIOR to separation.

So did the lies. She even got her mother to discuss getting a second job with you and obviously complained about the lack of money and other unmentioned problems with your marriage. Fog talk and history rewriting were already occuring. Sure there were money problems but IF they were REAL problems she would have discussed the same extensively with YOU, not her mother in an attempt to get her assistance with separation so she could have an affair.

WW will not cough up her cell phone bills to you or her parents. She will DEMAND that they her parents trust her (and they are likely to...they have to rationalize and justify their own inappropriate behavior also). IF you end up getting served divorce papers those bills are the first thing your lawyer should request production of.

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