|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
CN... I will respond to this only because you have ticked me off. Yes, it is a MB website...I was married and had a wife that cheated... does that qualify me to be here in your eyes?
Second... ***********edit*********Would it have been more moral to let her abort him as she suggested when I asked her to get married when we found out she was pregnant?
*****************edit******************
Last edited by Justuss; 02/06/07 11:48 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834 |
MEDC:
Youngster to Shoeless Joe:
"Say it ain't so!"
?????
LG
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
from my ex's thread... We were never married. My decision. He always treated me as his wife.
Starting at the beginning.
We conceived a child (he's now 10). He wanted to get married. I wanted an abortion and ended our time relationship. I decided to keep the baby but played games and kept the child from him for 17 months. I knew this would hurt him... I just don't know whay I did it.
Every time he got close to someone during the years... I wanted him back and would do whatever I needed to do to get him. Once he was here though.. I realized that I only wanted what i couldn't have and left. This happened numerous times and each time he came back... I left.
I came back to him and yet I got involved in a physical relationship with a friend that lasted for over three years. No strings. I made the mistake of letting my child see some of this and I know it has harmed him.
When his father died, I used the occasion of the funeral to win him back yet again (even though I had rejected his proposal months before by having sex with my friend the night after he asked me). He was in a serious relationship at the time of his dad's funeral and I realized how much I loved him. I tried to win him back, which I did but I did so with lies and then more lies about the nature of my "friendship." Even after he came back I made plans to get together with my friend, although it was not for sex.
I have hrut him and my son beyond words. He says he forgives me but just cannot handle the lies and betrayals any longer. I signed over custody of my son to him and now feel all alone. I want him back but feel that so much has happened that I have lost him forever. He has been seeing someone else and both he and my son seem very happy. I just want to be included in that happiness.
This is just the tip of the iceberg with things that have gone on.
I am not really a "born again" Christian.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834 |
And MEDC:
I DO NOT APPROVE OF comfortably numb's
Characterzation of it.
Understand?
But you are not married to the mother of your 11 Year Old? Is she living with you still?
I ask, not to be rude, or insensitive. Just to understand more about you.
You can have your beef with me. I'm ok with that.
But you certainly know more about me than I know about you.
Think about as us having a beer after work and just sort of summing up our lives in 30 minutes. I'm the new guy and your the old hand.
Really, thats all.
Edited to add that we cross posted with your Ex's thread post
Last edited by lousygolfer; 02/06/07 09:18 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
My history here has been well documented. I have never hidden any part of my not being married to my sons mom... not my choice. I was married and divorced by age 29. Married my high school sweetheart. She had an affair after I got hurt on the police dept.... we are friends to this day and I have dinner at her house with her and her husband. Heck, she has even fixed me up on dates.
I never believed in my younger days that premarital sex was wrong... never had God in my life back then.
So what? How is that relevant?
Smoke screens! **************edit***********
Last edited by Justuss; 02/06/07 11:49 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,632
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,632 |
BIGK,
Trust me when I say this, you have nothing but the utmost respect from me in all you pst's and replies.
You say things with an ease that I simply don't posses. It's my nature, and it's also your nature.
Would that i could be more help on this forum, I would cut off my right arm to do so. But it's simply not my nature.
I would respectfuly point out, that no one is here to impose their def of morality, but rather, to help in some inocuous way, to help another lost soul to recapture and save thei M.
Have you even noticed that in all of this hoopla, we've lost LG?????
What good did that do?? I respect the opoinions of you and MEDC very much. But have you heard from LG recently.????
Like I originally said, A CAN OR WORMS!!!
God Bless,
Jerry
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
hopefully my ex's post sums it up. No, I am not with her any longer. I have sole custody of my boy... she was a danger to his mental well being.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
Well, I heard from LG lately and just this morning... even though he feels I am harsh in my approach... he thanked me for bringing this issue to the forefront... a much needed 2 x 4 he called it Jerry. Anything to add to that?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,464
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,464 |
Jerry - LG is far from lost.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
Empty Nesters.
Fully Recovered.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
Hi, everybody!
Boy, what a difference a good night's sleep can bring.
MEDC, you old, (young?) rascal.
You called me out on something. Which, grudgingly, Was the right thing to do.
I will call your method indiscriminate. But they had the intended effect of most 2x4's.
Just didn't realize how hard my head was. From LG's post yesterday morning to me. Sorry, I thought it was this morning.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
ST... I bumped the thread for you.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 764
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 764 |
The day I become concerned with the view of anyone that refuses to take a stand on morality I will give your post some consideration.
Thanks again for your words. You sir are an arrogant zealot of your own bull crap that you call morality. I could care less if you ever "consider" my post because I am not stupid enough to believe that my opinions, that my "morality" is "right" ....It's mine..I own it and don't have the need to project it on others...I would hope that you could find another pulpit to preach...but I know better.... Don't thank for me anything...I don't deserve it... When you pass out from the lack of oxygen way up there on your very high horse I would hope you would wake up...but I doubt you will.... See MEDC...I do not necessarily disagree with your view until it is that someone who disagrees with you is immoral...that's bullcrap...and by taking this stance I do not see how you help ANYONE here....you offer little...than your "morality"....I wish there was a puke face to put here.... What truly saddens me is that I'll never get back my hour I wasted reading your drivel..... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
So, if I my view is that pedophilia is wrong and immoral... am I wrong to say anyone that is okay with it is immoral? With your logic, I guess so!?
Last edited by mkeverydaycnt; 02/06/07 09:42 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 8,970
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 8,970 |
CN,
Our pasts do not define us...our present choices tell others who we are today.
I was an unwed mother of two, different fathers, before I married; a serial cheater (much like MEDC's ex) while married. Doesn't change my beliefs today...most of which I've learned in the last two years since my DH's A.
No excuses...I did what I did...and now I know why. My gosh, it got me to today...to owning my self...knowing who the heck I am and not trying to live through others...that's radical honesty.
And because I know the sorrow, the destruction I caused repeatedly, of my past actions, remember the fog and the torment of it...I hold a close inspection light on my beliefs...and act from them now, instead of my feelings.
I learned not to tear down a person I don't agree with because of knowing my signals...if something sets me off in what I see another person doing or believing...then I know that's in me somewhere...and is a signal to look inward.
I know if I tear down others, I tear down myself...and that was the way I got wayward...self-shredding. I don't want to go there ever again. I rely on posters like you, CN, and ST and so many others to spot me if I start that journey.
Being honest is accepting honesty...cherishing the discourse, the sharing...if I stifle you, I stifle me. God's design...not mine. Uniform justice...unyielding. Unless you choose not see it and experience the consequences, anyway.
LA
MEDC...you bashed back...that's not honest. Own it. State what you feel, don't demonstrate. In that, there is power. Don't throw your power at people...gets messy. Stay honest and true. If you were honest about not considering what people say who you don't perceive as standing on principle, then that's good to know. No one can control your perception but you...I hope you respect others and their stuff, so you will do so with your own stuff. Judgment kills, inside and out...like battery acid...you can't help but get it on you when you throw it on others.
LA
LG...great wave...pretend I'm a reporter and holding a microphone to your lips...share with us, 'k?
LA
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,464
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,464 |
MEDC - CN should take his own advice in his tag line.
I personally feel that people who want to argue about this issue (not morality - exposure) do so because they are defending their own positions and need to justify it for themselves.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
Empty Nesters.
Fully Recovered.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
LA... thanks for your level headed words. I always respect your words and intent even though we communicate in different ways. I respond to sarcasm with sarcasm. It is a weakness of mine. But one thing I will not do is stand by while anyone uses a word like that to describe my son. Sorry that is where I will draw a line in the sand.
Again, thank you for your words. You are a calming influenece for me. Much appreciated.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
|
OP
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
BK... I am ticked and I know it is showing... and I know it isn't pretty... but CN should meet me for a beer to discuss this in person. Something tells me though he will hide behind his keyboard. Hmmm... do I sound ticked. Sorry LA... I am really trying to calm down! Really!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 764
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 764 |
So, if I my view is that pedophilia is wrong and immoral... am I wrong to say anyone that is okay with it is immoral? With your logic, I guess so!? twist it up however you feel necessary...you know the answer to that question....
|
|
|
|
0 members (),
430
guests, and
65
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
