Striven-
Just read your post....

I agree. To tell him that that is his POV, but not mine. Makes total sense.

Orchid-
I hear you. In know what you are saying.

But MAN! These WAYWARDS. It is AMAZING. Their self-entitlement, their selfishness. AMAZING.

On a side note, WH called my cell phone 5 times yesterday after I got off of work. You know why? Because he did not know where I was with the kids. I went to Michigan to see my brother and SIL, and we had a wonderful time. I did not have my phone on me, it was in the car.

This is the man that would go several days without calling them.

So when he dropped them off today, he told me, "You know, I am their Dad. I NEED to know if you are taking them somewhere. I NEED to know what is going on. I even drove by the house 2 times yesterday, and I had no idea what was going on! I even called your parents!"

So I said, "I am sorry that you go so upset. But, you have gone for a few days without talking to them, I did not think that it mattered if you knew where they were."

And he said, "If you are taking them anywhere, I would appreciate knowing."

To which I said, "I am sorry, I trust you to be a good father when you have them. I am not going to start calling you now every time I take the girls somewhere."

How freaking transparent is that.

All I can say is this: What a piece of work.

Sadmo, I would have left him on the porch.
He has made his choice. Its time he feels the effects of them. You keep feeding right into his selfishness.

Chin up! CAll and let them know where to send the paperwork so you can protect yourself PRONTO because your WH is all over the place.

Mojo-
Well, I am just a fool.
He called tonight. He wanted to know if he could come over.

I said sure.

He came over. Then he tried to initiate sex. I was like... no.......

He became annoyed. Why did I want him to come over?

I asked him if it ever occurred to him that I just wanted his company? He said fine. Then he said that he made a mistake coming over, blah, blah, blah...

He then went on to tell me that he ran into OW yesterday. (we were on the porch). He then tearfully looked at me. I did not say a thing. He went on to tell me that his heart is still leaning in her direction.

I said, "even though she has a new boyfriend?"

He said yes. It does not matter how someone feels about him, it is just about how he feels about them. And with her it was just so wonderful, he felt in control, in charge, respected...blah, blah, blah.

SO I said, "Until of course, she found a new boyfriend, right?"

He said, "You know what, I need a drink. I am leaving.I will come back if you like, but I do not want to deal with this right now."

I told him to not come back. He said it was fine. Then he asked why.

I just said to him, "You know, I cannot just be your go to girl. I am not going to be here for you through all of this. I am not. If you want to be with her, be with her. I am not stopping you."

SO he says, "It is always so heavy and serious with you when I talk to you! I hate that about you!"

I looked at him. I felt such sadness. I said, "that is fine. Hate that about me. I am sorry that I want more than to make you feel better until you hook back up with her."

So he left.

And I will admit. It [email]Pi@@es[/email] me off that he came here. And it [email]pi@@es[/email] me off that he ran into HER. And then the attitude changes towards me. And it makes me mad that sat and listened to his [email]sh@t[/email] about HER. F him.

I DO NOT EVEN LIKE HIM ANYMORE!!!! What is wrong with me? Why can't I see him for who he is now?

One of my major flaws: I remember people for their good qualities, even if it was 10 years ago, and not their bad qualities.

What an [email]a@@.[/email]

Sadmo,

He wants you to meet his WS EN. Do NOT do it.

Instead when he babbles, let him know he has to fix it himself. You are only there to help your H not the WS. I did that to mine a long time ago. It took a while to sink in. In fact, when I told him the WS could go to the OW but leave my H, it flustered him. LOL!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

I noticed he called to come over then when he became annoyed he asked why did you want him over? If that's how it happened, mine did the same. I reminded him it was his idea to come over and we had to adjust to accmodate. If he wanted to leave, then fine because we really had other plans. That sure messed with his mind. LOL!!!

See the WS' want to see a needy BS and family, with the BS and family always at their beck and call for more abuse. Well....once the BS gets over the A shock and their clear mind, calm heart takes over.....there's no reason for any BS and family to take that [email]cr@p.[/email]

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L.

Just wanted to point out that this is part of the reason for Plan B (as I'm sure you know). Seeing that waywardness, the selfishness, the entitlement, hearing the babble....this is draining LB$ from you big time. Darkness will stop that because you won't have to engage with any of that ugliness.

Also...I agree with the others...he's getting something from you, which allows him to continue to cake eat and stay on that fence. You know the old saying...why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? You are filling a need for him, and he's sucking you dry. IMO...you should cut off that milk supply.

Again...my opinion...you are in a strong position. OW has another boyfriend?!? He's sniffing around home?!? He is so on the fence.

Let him TRULY, FULLY experience the choice that HE has made and continues to make. Talking to him, spending time with him, offering him the couch...you are too nice, Sadmo! Time for some tough love, girlfriend, ESPECIALLY if you feel a growing dislike for him. You don't want that to continue.

Sadmo, I have to agree with Sis on this; you are spinning your wheels with the wayward baffoon. I know that HE wanted to come over, but you also invited him by saying YES. You must recognize your part in this mess and take charge of YOUR life.

How could you possibly think that you would LIKE the WS? It's an impossibility, as with every word and action, he is showing you how much he cares about HIMSELF. You may set yourself up with expectation that he's going to fill something up for you, because he WANTS to come see me. NOPE! He wants to come GET from you. He chose to go it alone, so let him.

This IS a great time to start Plan B, and no matter what you have said here about not wanting your H back, your actions show otherwise. Whenever he calls or wants to get together, you say yes (or many times that he calls). If you are going to engage a WS, you MUST prepare for his babble; YOu are starting to do that, but then you break down and become openly angry.

I remember being exactly the same. It took me separating, and not talking to my WH for some time before I was able to really reverse babble, or just ignore him (pseudo PLAN B). When I finally really went into Plan B, I initially had some withdrawal, but then had more clarity, and peace. Not being consistently inundated with Wayward [email]cr@p[/email], I was able to hold on longer to the idea that my M could be saved. It also prepared me for life ALONE, and allowed my WH to fully experience what he chose.

I hear you all. I do.

The thing is this: I have changed in how I deal with him.

And he knows it. I think that it is freaking him out a little. Just a little. I think that he is scared. Scared that he made the WRONG choice.

Today he talked to me. He said that he is NOT happy. He is sad, he is surrounded by losers, he thanked me again for not giving up on him. He was sobbing. He said that he had hoped by now that he could stand on his own two feet. I pointed out that he has been.

He said that no. We still make each other emotional.

I told him that we do not. He said that he still is affected by me. He still cares about what I think about him. I told him that I do care about him... he is the father of my kids. He said that he COMES TO ME WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP, OR HE NEEDS HELP, OR WHEN HE IS SAD. THAT I KNOW HOW TO GET THROUGH TO HIM SO THAT HE GETS IT. AND HE KNOWS THAT I CARE.

The reason that I capped it all is this. In a moment of weakness, he TOLD ME why he comes to me.

He said that when he first left me he felt fine. He was on top of the world.

Then loneliness set in. And he was fine. Then he met OW. And she strung him along. But (according to him) he "F'ed" it up because he did not want to commit. AND he was SO AFRAID of how strongly he felt towards her. But, she made him feel in control. He was in charge of everything. She did not ask for anything. (I see it as she just was not into him as much as he was into her!). But whatever.

And you know what? I just felt sorry for him. I did not cry with him, I did not feel with him. I just felt bad for him.I told him that he is feeling so down right now, that he should use this time as a chance to improve himself. He said that he knows what he needs to do. I told him to do it then.

SL-
You know, I would give him a shot if he wanted it. I know that my actions belie my words. But I am not all angry with HIM. I get more annoyed, and upset with myself. I am able to keep myself in check with him, even when he is getting me upset. And I really think that that is what is upsetting to him... That he is not 'getting' to me.

But, I know, you all are going to think, "Sadmo is silly!" But, for some strange reason, I FEEL SO SORRY FOR HIM. Why? I do not know. Am I feeling love, devotion? No. I am feeling like he is almost a wounded little bird or something that needs to be protected. But I can't, and he has to deal with it himself. I just feel sorry for him that I really think that it is all hitting him now. That he IS alone. That he is NOT having fun 24/7. Am I going to do anything for him? No. But it makes me not want to be mean to him.

I am tired, I am babbling.

Thanks so much for all of your inputs. It all makes sense..

A day hasn't gone by and you are falling for his newest push-pull with you.
CUT HIM OFF.

NOTHING is going to change until you make him feel his choices. YOU ARE CODDLING HIM.

I could give a crap what he said to you. WS LIE. Do you know how they are lying? Their lips are moving. HE KNOWS EXACTLY HOW TO MANIPULATE YOU.

You are absolutely teaching him how to treat you. You are helping this mess last a lot longer than it has to by not going dark. Please listen to the people here.

Have those papers delivered NOW and cut him off.

Sadmo:
You've heard the advice here and ultimately it is your decision to follow it or not.

Maybe a different perspective will help: My MIL has made a similar argument as to why--a YEAR after leaving the boys and I--she and FIL continue to allow WH to live in their home rent free while he carries on his adulterous affair out in the open. They feel sorry for him! They do not think that kicking him to the curb is the "loving" thing to do. They do not see what "good" it will do.

I think it boils down to fear...fear that WH will slip from their grasp and fall into the pit where he will be lost forever. (I think this shows a lack of faith in their son) Both ILs say that they are horrified and think this a horribly tragic thing that is happening to all of us, and that this is the biggest nightmare they have faced in their lives. (try living in MY shoes) They have tried the talks, the tears, the pressure, the guilt...not a chink in the WH fog.

Shortly after d-day, WH gave an Oscar-worthy performance of being torn and conflicted. Did it change his behavior one iota? NO! I am not privy to what goes on at the ILs (I call it Denialville) anymore, but I suspect that WH continues to play that little violin for his mom and dad, then skips off to have a little f-fest with RT, smiling all the way.

My opinion??? They are protecting him from what NEEDS to happen for him to "get better," or to redeem himself, or to make it right with God. He NEEDS to hit bottom. He NEEDS to feel the consequences of his choices....financially, personally. ILs apparently prefer to protect him from all of that, and thus, just prolong the suffering for EVERYONE involved.

I think what they are doing is the most UN-loving thing they can do. In the end, they are enabling their own son's self-destruction.

(don't get me wrong...WH could change his behavior and choose to do the right thing any time...but it sure makes it easier to carry on in A-world when you can do so WHILE living rent-free with your parents, which in my book is tacit approval of his behavior)

If you feel sorry for him, do the only thing you CAN do--the only option he has given you--to save him. CUT THE MAN OFF. Let him hit bottom! If he is ever going to redeem himself, if that wounded bird is ever going to fly again, he needs to hit the ground. If he's ever going to heal, he needs to hit bottom.

It's the loving thing to do.

Rant over...but...I'm a little unclear as to what you WANT to happen. Are you very clear on that...I mean head and heart perfectly in sych? If so, could you articulate it for me?

Sadmo,

When you set all pride aside (or most) and question whether you love your H and want to attempt to save the M, what is your answer?

Pride is a good thing, sometimes, but in saving your M, it serves no purpose, initially. Pride may come to you later, when the M is in the DEEP throes of recovery, when you are proud of you H and the efforts he is making, and then proud of yourself for hanging on in the worst of conditions.

I'm with Sis, you are not clear on what you want or what your plan is. Are you in Plan A? Are you getting ready for Plan B? Are you doing a 180? OR are your perpetuating the terrible situation that you are in? Answer some of these questions for yourself. Write it down, if need be, and examine what you want to do.

The reason I pose these questions is that you continue to say (in answer to if you would take your HUSBAND --not wayward--back) YES, I would give him another chance. So, you need a plan to get to that point.

The tack you have chosen, to regularly engage a wayward, is not working, not really, because all he is doing is crying to you, looking for comfort, and then he goes to wherever he is living now; he's not home, not working toward recovery, or going through withdrawal.

Sadmo, Plan B and recovery are HARD, very hard, so you must answer these questions. If you can't do it this way, what way are you doing that is proven to help?

I cannot promise you that Plan B will be easy for you, but you will have time to really look at yourself and begin to grow from this.

I see what you are saying.

As for what plan am I in? Currently I am in no plan. (I am not proud to say, so no flogging please!)

I would have to say that I am apathetic a lot about our situation. In the sense that I just have adjusted to him not being here. And him not being around. AND...this is sad to say, not being able to rely on him on a day to day basis. I do not think that he wants responsibility. The day to day responsibility that comes with raising a family, having a wife.

Would I want my H back? Yes-I think so... My WH? No. Do I even want my H back? I DON'T KNOW.

I do not know if I would ever be able to trust him. I do not know if I even like him anymore.

Do I care about him? Yes. Why do I care about him? He is the father of my kids. I remember when it was good. I spent a lot of time with him. He was part of my heart. I built a family with him. But then he left our family.

I really have changed a lot of my behaviors that were not good. I have changed a lot of the ways that I communicate with him.

But I do not know what WE should be like. I am confused. I would give our M a chance if he wanted it. I would. But I am not going to put myself out there and keep saying it. He has never wavered that he does NOT want to be married to me. I do not know how to be with him when it comes to the kids.

I am being totally honest here about this. If we had no kids, I would not even look back. But on the other side of the coin, I think that if we had not had kids, it would not have been bad. We got along great before the kids. Even after our first one. The second one is when it got tricky. So since we have kids, I am kind of stuck with him. And I do not know how to deal with him. How I SHOULD deal with him. I do not know if I should cut him off, or if I should just be pleasant with him, or if I should act normal... I DO NOT KNOW.

I feel that I have mourned the loss of our M. Sure, once the D goes through, it will be sad. I am not denying that. But I will not hit rock bottom again with him. I will not be a crying total mess. I am kind of immune to it now. Sure I get mad, annoyed, feel sorry for him. But I am not upset with the fact that we are not together.

I know what you are saying. I REALLY do.

It just does not seem that my WH is really capable of putting much into our R. I do not see him changing his whole MO to work on our M. I just don't. So it seems kind of pointless in a way to try to save the M.

SL- the comment about pride really hits home with me. I often question that myself. Is the only reason that I wanted to save the M was to know that 'he wanted to come back'? To know that he CARED about me?

And you know what? I sometimes think that that is what it is. Also that it hurt me so bad that he did not show me that he cared about me when I needed it (before he left). And I just wanted to know that he did.

I did not see it. I have not seen it. I have my answer. I am trying to not be a prideful person here, and let this linger until he 'comes back'. Because truthfully, I do not know if I really even want him back.

And I know that this is going to sound terrible... but I am going to say it anyway.

I think that I have been getting enough of MY EN met through him, so that I am actually complacent. I have not involved myself with other men, and I really do not want to. I think that since he still is affectionate towards me, he still 'wants' me, he still calls me, that I have kind of let this go on longer than it needs to. Do I want to date other men? NO. Do I want a new R? NO. Why? I do not want to 'mess-up' my kids, and I really have no time anyway. And, there is no one that REALLY strikes my fancy.

I am stream of thought typing right now... just kind of tossing things out there. But that is the mindset that I am in. Kind of confused, kind of complacent, kind of... I don't know... kind of not really wanting to 'rock the boat'.

I know. I know I need to do SOMETHING. But I think that I am in fear of moving forward. This is what I KNOW. I just kind of do not want to 'deal' with it. You know, just ignore it, and it will take care of itself. Except that I know that it won't. I know that I will have to do something.

One of the comments that he made to me a few months back, when I asked him why did not not just give our M a try, try to work things out... and you know what he said, "Sadmo, you know how I just do not like Okra? Well that is how I feel. I just do not want to work things out. You can't explain it. You just know." And it makes sense... or does it?

Thanks so much for reading my ramblings... and offering me advice. I know I need to do something. I am just stalled right now. I think I am just afraid of the unknown.

Don't worry Sadmo, I think flogging's illegal in the US.

It definately sounds like you're good and stuck right now.

I do think your current Plan or lack there of is only hurting you though. He's gettin what he wants. You're gettin played.

You have the answers: Plan B, Plan D, or both.

See how simple it is, just pick one and proceed.

See, nothing to it.

Also, why are you afraid of the unkown? Could it be any worse than right now. I doubt it.

Oh, and the Okra statement, only makes sense to a wayward.
To me it's chicken sh1t

Now climb out of your rut, pick your self respect back up and kick some wayward a$$!!

You're gonna make it through this Sadmo, I know you will

Good Luck

BC's got the right on Sadmo! Dead on [email]b@lls[/email] accurate!

Your WH is cake eating galore, and you are allowing it to continue; nothing will change, even after divorce, unless YOU change YOU. You cannot do this while sitting still in the wayward vacuum.

For now, go with MB's, go with the straight Plan B. Get the letter together, get the finances fixed, then hand over that letter and begin living the Plan.

Sadmo, I said this a long WHILE ago, you are all over the place. Don't get me wrong, it took me a couple of months to really work a good Plan A, then it took me a couple of months to get a good dark Plan B going. I was under that impression that I could do it somewhat MY way, but my way didn't quite work.

I needed plan B for more than just saving the M, I needed to save myself FIRST. Without one semi-stable spouse, recovery will be very rocky. Also, as with Chrisner, Plan B guides you through your OWN recovery, and prepares you to do it on your own, if/when the time comes. You will have no anger about being on your own, you will accept that you control only you, no DJ's no LB's will exist in your repetoir.

Sadmo, just take some time and think about this. Is your way working? If the answer is no (and we both know that it is) then give MB a chance.

I agree with what the others have said.

The thing is you keep telling him how things will change once the divorce is thru how you will not be friends but will co-parent, but what you are showing him on this path to divorce is that yes he can go, put his kids last if he has better things to do or more interesting people to hanf out with that night, why on earth does he has any incentive to change, he gorging on all that cake at the ws's free buffet diner of woes.

You keep supporting him emotionally while he is screwing you over emotionally, tlaks about the one that got away (ow, but it seems that he does this to gage your reactions)
he wants you to validate his feelings while discounting yours, you keep telling him one thing and showing him another, in other words "YOUR ACTIONS ARE SPEAKING LOUDER THAN YOUR WORDS" he knows this and by his own actions are very pleased with his results, he still has you dangling from his web.

Go to Plan B and show what really happens when you close the door on his right to be in your life as a Husband and Friend.

BC, SL, SS,

Thanks for the observations, and advice.

I have called the lawyer, I am going to have the papers sent to his house. I am meeting with the lawyer next Wed. at 4:00. I have some questions that I did not ask, that I should know the answers to.

What is mildly amusing is that I was thinking about this all day at work, and I called and talk to the L to set up everything. I decided that I am being a chicken, and, like I always say about raising kids, you can either go the easy route, and have bad kids, or you can go the harder route, and have good kids. So I could either linger like this, and become more complacent, or I could do the harder thing, and move forward.

So I decided this.I felt a little mixed. But, as a blessing in disguise, WH does one of his, "I will treat her like she is the most horrible person on the earth' scenarios. Basically he wanted to see the kids after work, I was getting off of work shortly after him, and I told the sitter that he would just relieve her. She calls me up, all confused because WH got all mad and said that I was 'trying to take advantage of him, he did not come to babysit, he just wanted to see his kids for a few minutes"

So I called his cell phone, and asked him if he was going to watch them until I got him in the next 45 mins., and he said , "You know what Sadmo? You are NOT going to take advantage of me like this. If you had needed me to watch the kids, you should have asked me. I am not going to be left high and dry with them, while you do whatever you want." I said that I thought that he had wanted to see the kids, and I assumed, incorrectly, that he wanted to spend about an hour with them. He told me no, a few minutes was fine. SINCE HE SPENT SAT. AND SUN. with them while I worked.

Then he hung up on me.

So it is for the best. I have tried to be nice, tried to be accommodating to him. I did not want to keep the kids from him, I encouraged him to spend time with them. But when it comes right down to it, I am beginning to think that he WANTS me to limit the time that he spends with them. So he can have more time to himself, doing selfish WH things.

It is for the best. I am going to cut him off as of today. I am not going to be nice to him, if he comes to me crying, I am going to tell him to leave, there is nothing that I can do to help him.

Which leads me to another topic....

It has come to my attention through all of this that in my family, I have always been expected to just 'put up' with things. If I ever expressed my dissatisfaction about something that I had a RIGHT to be unhappy about, I was told that I was being mean, a crab, stubborn, etc. But, I really do not think that I was.

So this, in turn, made me accommodate more than I should have to.

And yet, I do not really know WHERE to draw the line. I am not a naive person, yet if I get an apology, or the person seems contrite, or sad, my heart just says, "Oh, they are feeling bad, get over it."

And I do.

But now I have my WH, and a few family members that consistently take advantage of my 'bleeding heart' syndrome. They pull on my heart strings, and I fall for it.

I would like any advice on how I can stop doing this as much... a mind trick, or something. It is a good trait to have, if I am dealing with normal, caring people. It is not a good trait to have if I am dealing with selfish people.

So today will start the, "cut him off" stage.

I know that I can do it.

Thanks again for the advice and support! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Read up on Plan B here, and implement that, because it is a PLAN. You won't be flying blind. AS for being the go to girl for everybody's crap, it takes a while to change that, but taking a good, hard look at yourself helps immensely.

You ALLOW this behavior. If people become angry for you defending your rights, let them. That is their anger to carry, not yours. Their perceptions, not yours. Be kind when it is deserved. A WS deserves no kindness, NONE, and you have given till your eyes bleed. Stop it now! I think faithfulwife CJ has a link to writing a Plan B letter. Get it, and write it. That is your first task in Plan B. Second, get those papers ready. If you can file for LSA, do that! Then go dark.

We will be here to help you through your own withdrawal and to help you take that good look at yourself.

I'm really glad that you've come to a decision. You sound in synch.

Yep, start reading up on Plan B.

Just to quickly answer one of your questions about people who pull on your heart strings...

In terms of WH, this is one of the beauties of Plan B. You will not see him, hear him, email him, TM him or VM him. Kid pickup and drop-off can be done sight unseen. So...no pulling on the heart strings! See?? You will need a good stronger intermediary (maybe even someone here) to keep all the baloney filtered out.

So check that one off your list of worries.

Now with family members, I don't know. Maybe taking this step of standing up for yourself with regard to WH will lead you to an improved ability to stand up to others who may seek to take advantage of your tender nature.

My sense is that as you start to recognize your strength and personal power (as you will in Plan B), that will carry over into other parts of your life.

That is certainly my hope for you! You are starting on a new path here, and that is good. It is in a positive direction for YOU.

(((sadmo)))

Let us know how we can help.

Sadmo,

I was the eternal friend, back in my high school days. I gave until it hurt, sometimes, quite literally. I ended up causing physical damage to myself in the tune of gastritis. I was 16 years old! I saw a doctor for the pain, he prescribed Tagamet, and also said that no child of my age should be experiencing these problems. That was a sure sign that I was doing too much. I was giving MYSELF AWAY, bit by bit. I allowed people to treat me as they elected to, not as I needed or wanted.

That changed after my visit with the doc. I turned things around. Those that loved me didn't really notice the change much, but those that leached off of me for so long, were treated as they treated me, or rather, I was civil with them (higher road), but did not give to them if they were steadily trying to take from me.

Sadmo, about family doing this, you will learn about boundaries. Boundaries go for all, not just a selective bunch. The way in which you enforce them may be selective, but the boundary will not.

You'll get there. MB has a way of guiding you in improving yourself, helping to make you aware of your strengths and weaknesses and learning to live with it all.

SL and LS-

Thanks!

I think that I will be ok with everything now. When me and my WH first separated, I was LOST. It has now been almost a year. I have my routine, I have gone days without talking to him.

I was trying to plan A him until I filed for the D, and he signed off on everything. This is what the lawyer advised (not plan A, but that I "play real nice") until he signed off on everything.

The thing is, I can set limits for everyone BUT family. It has been so ingrained in me that FAMILY is EVERYTHING... but when family does not treat me like I am anything... then it is sad for me. I am not the eternal friend with people that are not MY friend at all. Mostly with family, specifically with my sister and my mom.

I talked to my SIL today, and she said that she thinks what I do is treat everyone like I would like to be treated: With respect, care, loyalty, etc. And I think that the people that are closest to me will treat me the same, and when they are selfish, and uncaring, it is NOT going to happen.

She had a good point.

But now that I have decided to plan B...

I will admit, the whole letter to the person just seems kind of, I don't know...odd. I am going to give this person a letter telling them the conditions that they must meet in order to be with me again. It seems weird that I would be telling my WH that, when he has chosen to NOT be with me. If anyone could help me with this, I would appreciate it.

Thanks again for the insight, and words. I am actually happy with most of my life right now (kids, job, house, friends) and unhappy with my R with my WH. But the happiness is outweighing the negative right now. I really think that I am in a better place. I will be in a much better place once I know how to set boundaries with family and loved ones.

I will be fine. I know that. Thanks again!

Hi sadmo.. I've missed you all. Glad you are hangin in there..