Very perceptive Ark, and right on the money.

I guess that's what keeps "shrinks" and counselors in business. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

kind of OT:

I think it's SOOO interesting that folks that grew up in alcoholic families (like mine) speak the SAME LANGUAGE..

I SOOO RELATE to BR's and Weaver's posts and perspectives on life...

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
one of those cloverleaf freeway things? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Is it like a feedback mechanism? Like the thyroid/pituitary loop? One gland speaks to the other and they monitor each other?


OK


makes sense

Thanks Gimble !
I think this is interesting .... however, MEDC, has actually been the one who hit right on target what I was seeking. I was checking out something about ME.

I avoid certain threads based on certain things ... and I was not convinced my reasons were valid or not.

Turns out it does not matter !!! LOL

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> pep

[color:"red"] Silent L [/color]


trust me .... this was not about anyone in particular, and certainly not about you .... as in ~~~> "I follow MB principles"

not you, or anyone following MB to the best of their ability

Pep

[color:"red"] Orchid [/color]



<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[color:"red"]FH [/color]


thanks for responding. I appreciate it.

Pep

[color:"red"]Ark [/color]


such a profound point

one of the reasons I wrote the carrot/stick post was out of frustration people equating Plan A = Plan nice ... or Plan A = Plan take it on the chin forever

what worries me is that this carrot/stick idea has somehow become set in stone

~~~> instead of the truth

~~~>carrot/stick is MY interpretation of the Plans (which Mimi has been kind enough and smart enough to point out to some who take it as MB gospel) ... which it is NOT

anyone who reads the carrot/stick ideas and then thinks they understand Plan A ~~~> they only understand MY idea of Plan A....

I soooooooooooo agree with you Ark. A newbie saying:

"I tried Plan A, it did not work."...

... just about sends me up a tree to scream

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Pep <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[color:"red"] BR [/color]


NO ! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Because I am focused on ME and what I thought I needed to change about MYSELF ... I had doubts about how I tend to interpret some BSs ... MEDC helped me a lot.

I actually found my "answer" a few pages back .... but this thread continues to surprise me with what people write about ... it has been mostly self-revealing ... for everyone !

COOL

Pep

[color:"red"] ~ everyone ~ [/color] who posted

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

this was good for me

Pep

pep up a tree screaming is a great visual.....

I also glibbly give my interpertation of plan A

never have used it in an emotional holocaust....

and learned through a good friend

that what looks good here in black and white on a message board sounds like
crappola supremo when given face to face....

I ordered a ~crappola supremo~ at Taco Bell

it gave me such gasssssssssssss

Pep,

Read most of this yesterday, but could not respond. Envision someone with hands above the key board twitching uncontrollably trying to not type... Dr. Strangelove comes to mind. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I realize you have your answer but this thread has been very interesting to me. You originally stated
Actually, I have not wondered that, I know that the scenario you paint does happen and even here although one would think that someone avoiding with malice of forethought wouldn't be here.

I also understand this is about your evaluation of yourself.
Pep it seems to me that of all of the people on this site you are one of the most if not THE most concise, observant, dead on posters here. Your BS (not betrayed <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> ) detector is really really well tuned.

What I wanted to add that there is also another class of BS here, also a minority, but here nevertheless, that shall we say "Don't take instruction well." <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> In short, one can see why there are problems in their marriage because although they appear to listen, nothing seems to stick. It is the implicit dismissal of ALL advice, that probably got the marriage in the mess it is and it is this implicit dismissal of all suggestions, that will lead to no progress.

In Gimble's parlance, there is no feedback loop between what they hear, what they think, and what they feel. The only thing that has kept me from running screaming into the woods <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> is a phrase I have used for virtually ALL of my adult life.

I think your own detector is actually very good at determining who you can help and who you cannot.

Just ramblings, this has been a very interesting thread. I am glad you got your answer.

God Bless,

JL

[color:"red"] JL[/color]

I enjoy having discussions with scientists.

I enjoy observing how neatly they go about expressing their ideas ... except for nephrologists ... I dislike discussions with nephrologists ... they have the effect of a sleeping pill on me ~~~. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I wasn't able to understand Plan A well enough to execute it until after I had a session with Jennifer. It's just not that easy to grasp the concepts when they are so counterintuitive, and SAA doesn't actually give a great How-to for either plan (IMHO). It's much harder than just reading the book and giving it a whirl.