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My WW refused to discuss her A. Now she will discuss it but I no longer care.

The details of her affair aren't all that important. What is important is that you get closure. I guess what I am saying is that I wouldn't make this a deal breaker if I were you.

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I need the Harley's alone because I am not sure she would even open up to them in my presence (with me hearing in phone interview).

Steve will talk to both of you ALONE...He understands very well the mind of a WS...Have your first session with him...He will advise you how to proceed with your WW...You will be given a PLAN by him...

Mrs. W

P.S. swade, what in the heck is/are BCs? I want to try and answer your questions to me, but I haven't a clue what you are talking about on that one! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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LOL at "she was mean to me".

Mrs W, hazarding a well informed guess I would say BC's means boundaries.

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Boundary Conditions

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Pio Laments:
(She was mean to me!)

Jo = Meanie

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Yet another thread I'm being chased off of. Two in one day. A personal best.

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Ohh hush. You can stay. I'll leave. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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No. You stay. You're far more helpful.

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Mrs W,

BC - Boundary Conditions! My WW does not want to adhere to any at all.

She thinkms she wants to carry on the A until it dies a natural death!

I am trying to slay this A as best as I can.


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Thanks Jen and Pio...Neither Mr. W or I could figure out that particular acronym...And we are card carryin' members of the W.I.A (We're Into Acronyms)...<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Okay swade...FWIW, here are my answers to your questions...

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If you can recollect, what was the most impactful action your BH did that really drew you back to the M?

Hmmm...Our story gets a bit complicated here...OM dumped me in June 2005-I found out MUCH later (Dec. 2006) that this was due to Mr. W and my mom working together...They formulated a plan together, one where my mom called OM with some very real threats-scared him to death and he dumped me the very next day(bear in mind that my mom had known OM since our childhoods-he was my high school/college bf)...Prior to that, Mr. W had played on OMs insecurities regarding $$$ by spoon-feeding me info that he knew I would immediately repeat to OM...stuff about my spending habits that he knew OM could never support...Mr. W is EXCELLENT at the art of psychological warfare...My mom reiterated this stuff to OM during "THE CALL"...

But of course I did not know any of this prior to this past Dec....So, had you asked me that question before, I would have told you other stuff that I perceived as helping bring me back to the marriage...

-One thing in particular that stood out to me then was Mr. W telling me that if I left that a HUGE part of my history...our history...would be lost forever...our courtship...our wedding day...the birth of our DD...ALL of the parenting moments...not to mention the little things that could NEVER be recreated-inside jokes, etc...that left me reeling...I did not wish to let that go...It was BIG for me...

-Something else that was significant for me...Mr. W comforted me during withdrawal-WOW, that takes a man amongst men to do...THAT is UGLY, and yet he was there, letting me cry on his shoulder...the whole nine...I am awed by him...

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Was it meeting your needs in plan A?

Yes...He was with me CONSTANTLY-admittedly that drove me NUTS back then...BUT it was a kind of "I hate you, don't leave me" attitude-strange to be sure...Prior to the affair Mr. W had been married to work...No more...He was there always encouraging me to talk-Conversation is one of my top ENs too...Before Mr. W and I withdrew from each other prior to the affair, he was the MASTER at meeting my convo EN and now he was back in full force...He's impossible to beat on that front...EVEN when I didn't want him to be...He's just that great of a conversationalist to me...

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The BCs he set if any?

The only one that was set in stone from him was "I refuse to be in a loveless marriage"-Covers a lot of ground that one...That was his response to me when I told him that he was essentially holding me against my will in the marriage...(that makes me both roll my eyes and laugh at myself now when I think about what a stubborn child I was acting like at the time)

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MC, books?

Mr. W never asked me to read SAA or anything else...What he did do was leave those materials lying around the house so that if I were ever to be curious that I could pick them up and read them of my own volition...That is exactly what happened...I was MISERABLE in withdrawal and began reading SAA to see if anything in there would help soothe me...After I began reading and talking about it, Mr. W sent me a link to the forums here...DO NOT DO THIS YET IN YOUR SITUATION...Remember, Mr. W KNEW that OM had tucked tail, ran and wasn't coming back at that point...Bringing your WW here now would be premature...This is your safe place, keep it that way for the time being...

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Other?????

Yep, and this was a biggie and one where I will take a different position from the other posters so far...PLASTIC SURGERY...It was something that I had also long wanted...Mr. W knew that the surgery that I wanted would take me six weeks to recover from...He knew that he could and would spend that time filling my lovebank to overflowing while taking care of me...Not to mention that he could certainly monitor easier for contact while I was down for the count, so to speak...He DID have me put it on my own credit card though, just so that if I did leave that it would be MY debt...That never even occured to me at the time...He just told me that my Discover card had some special deal going on and that it would be best if we put it on that-Wayward-Dying-For-Plastic-Surgery-Me accepted that without a peep...As it turns out, by the time that I actually had the surgery, the affair was over...The love units he deposited in my lovebank during my recovery STILL overflow today though...He was SO awesome to me...So, if you can work it like that, I say let her have the surgery, it will work in your favor I believe...

Mr. W did negotiate other things with me too...Like you would a child really-let's face it, waywards are nothing more than unruly children...He did stuff like promise me a laptop in exchange for the "Affairullar Phone"...To me, Mr. W was a Plan A Master...He just ROCKS...

Hope something I've said helps...

Mrs. W

P.S. I saw you mention the MB Weekend...Mr. W and I attended the one in Orlando in May of this year...It's INCREDIBLE...I would ask Steve Harley about the timing on presenting the idea of that to your WW...


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swade...

It's very hard to recount all of the things that worked together in our marital favor...The MOST important thing is for you to do all that you can to bust up the affair...The OMW exposure is critical...Exploit any weaknesses you can on OM's side of the fence-Make your WW far too much trouble for him...You are on the right track...

Mrs. W


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Swade,

While you are getting your cues from KiwiJ's husband, please don't forget you are following the advice of a man who wears pink shorts. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

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Swade,

Memorize everytihng MrsW says. It is gold.

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Swade,

Memorize everytihng MrsW says. It is gold.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> *THUD* <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Pio, I don't know if you've heard or not, but Crack is BAD for you...<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously, thank you very much Pio...I was thinking the same thing about your posts...Actually your posts are why it took me so long to read this thread...Normally, I would only read the posts of the person needing advice...Yours I read for entertainment (humor) AND wisdom...It's a rare gift to be able to deliver both of those at the same time...You're a real asset around here...

Okay, that's as nice as I'm able to be without puking...What is this, "The Mutual Admiration Society"? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

P.S. ARGH!!!! I posted under Mr. W's name...AGAIN!!! D'OH!

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I am going to continue plan A for another month for now and assume the A is still ongoing (because contact is still going).

If I can find OMW, I will expose.

Meanwhile, I just need to resist the temptation to launch LBs or look 'hurt' or depressed in front of WW.


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If I can find OMW, I will expose.

Um yeah...that is CRITICAL as I mentioned before...Plan A includes EXPOSURE...Can you hire a PI? I would expose to OMs parents as well...Take out a billboard if you have to, just "GET 'ER DONE"!!!

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Mrs W

It will be difficult to find the info on OMW.

All I have is a cell phone for him and it regiters back on the Eact Coast. I can find no current records for OM in California.

OM is supposedly on East Coast visiting kids during summer.

I may have to get a PI on this situation.

Given that OM lied to my WW by saying he was single when he was married, I am sure they are in their own conflict as well. My WW finally admitted to me 2 days ago that OM was married. She knew this since 6/6.

Txt messages are 'flying back and forth between OM and WW. She has received in excess of 600 since 6/1. I will see the bill in another week.

My WW must be in some conflict now that OM is not the 'straight shooter' she had dreamed of.

She must be in some conflict after what she has gone through recently.

I have an appt set up with S Harley for 7/5. Hopefully WW will attend.


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I may have to get a PI on this situation.

I would go ahead and take this step...Do it NOW, while you believe that your WW is in conflict over this-If she's annoyed with him, that means the affair is on the ropes-don't wait til things get completely smoothed over...GO IN FOR THE KILL NOW...Why wait?

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It also gives OM several fires to "put-out". Right now he's likely trying to allieve all of your WW's mistrust in him and he's trying to fully reassure her.

He can't do that if he's also got to run around dealing with his own BW.

Mr. W


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For Mr W or Mrs W (or anyone else in this position)

While plan A was going on - did Mr W say affectionate things like "he misses you" or "he loves you".

This is my WW #1 EN (affection), but I do not want to appear needy or someone "draped all over" my WW to appear less respected.

I am being genuine in leaving her notes before she departs for work expressing "have a good day and I will be thinking of you".

Does the above goes against the plan A philosophy?


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