Isaih,<BR> <BR>I have read both your posts, and loved this one. It hit the spot! I copied it, and I am going to send/give this to my stbx. <P>I am about a second away from starting precedures, for divorce, and "so not wanting" this. I have lost all hope, and faith in this situation, totally. I am sep, for almost 9 mths now, the first 4 mths, I did the usual, cryed, begged, pleaded, yada yada, yada... Came across this, and other webs sites, that helped, <BR>ME" alot, if nothing else, it made me stronger to do what I have to do, to deal with this. <P>Unfortunatly, I can no longer do anything with/for my stbx. he left, he has shut his/those doors, (longer then I knew it was shut!) and seems he`s totally locked me out, emotionally. He has to come and visit our daughter, 11 yr old, who adores him, and loves being with him. He is a good dad. (So good he poors her with gifts, to make up for loss time). He visits, 2 times a week, evenings, (takes her for a bite to eat), and takes her every other sat/sunday. <P>He has been asked by her, things about us, and refuses to talk to her about it. It is just like him, because, he never talked to me about things either. He is showing her how to avoid all problems, run from them, and never deal with them, fortunatly, she has me. I love to talk, and there is nothing I won`t finish out, even to the bitter end, if need be. I feel the silence is wourse, and there is nothing any one can`t concur, (can`t is not in my vocabulary, only his, now) and he has never given me/him self, even one chance to try. (I am his second wife, this is his reason, says it never works)<P>any way, I feel he has held in his recentful feelings for so long, (anger) says he has not loved me in 3 yrs of our 12 yr marraige, but I never knew or even picked up on this, and I feel he is just so angry now, (mostly because I have delayed things, for him). I still love him, and am having a hard time letting this go. I am now giving him what he wants, and I have not done the begging pleading thing, in the last 4-5 mths, but it seems I am darned if I do, and darned if I don`t, (no offence) and I have written many letters (in the beginning), that were very emotional, ( my freind/family say, any one with any feelings what so ever would have melted at my letters) and made him feel even more guilty. now he is just growing impatient, and wants this over with, asap.<P>I know this story won`t help, it is like putting his anger in his face, and he will most likely get even more offended, but to me I have already lost him, and he needs to hear some of these things, and MAYBE!! he`ll come back to earth again..<P>thanks for this story, sorry it was so long!!<BR>AV