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I agree with 2long...you see what's happening with my sitch...I'm thinking it's more like 2 1/2 yrs. for his A...here we are with 78 days left to the DV is final...

I have no clue what to do right now...LOL...

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Rin.. I have -no- idea what I would do in your situation if the truth were to completely be told.

Honestly.. part of me would love nothing more than to have the opportunity you have in front of you.

Then there's another part of me that is scared as he11 that when/if I get there.. I'll be exactly where you are, wondering if it's even possible to recover after all of this.. Is he/she even worth the effort?


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James,

Sounds like you are feeling strong, which is very good!

I think the words of caution are that you don't over extend yourself to the point of crash and burn. I definately support your stand for your M and for your kids! Just be cautious on the self-care end.

I am sure you have read about "BS fog" and that it's easy for us to be working so hard that we don't see that brick wall until we hit it. Just be sure to take care of you and keep a clear vision on your own well being.

I have no doubt about receiving the strength that you need. One day at a time.


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James,

I wish you great strength and I pray that you can ercover that strength from the daily grind that removes it.

It's curious that you mention oz because that's where I'm trying get away from. (No oz ain't Austrailia in my world)

"OZ" is entirely a different place and I suspect that many affairees live there.

However, that's a discussion for another time.

No matter how strong we are we all have breaking points (unless one is a sociopath) so be wary. You do have great strength but take time for you and make sure you release a lot of your feelings in journals if possible.


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You guys do my heart a lot of good. I sincerely appreciate and thank each of you for your concern.

I really am feeling good today, strong, confident. I'm not letting the little things nag at me quite so much. I expect the ups and downs anymore, and feel like I'm ready to ride them out from day to day.

Had a session with IC last night.. pretty much drove straight into the recent email exchange and events of the past week. IC thinks it's a positive sign, that even though WW's claws are out, she's speaking -her- truth and thinks it's very telling that she's reading and rereading the emails I send her and is seeing my truth, even if it's just to try to pick it apart. IC feels she's acting this way to try and draw me into conflict with her because she's running out of justifications due to my Plan A.. IC gets the impression that she 'pushed off' there at the end because she couldn't argue with the truth anymore and didn't want to have to deal with it. IC thinks that it's not going to change anything immediately, but that it was a positive exchange.

All conjecture I know.. trying to think for someone who isn't thinking logically but IC sees progress.

Now.. after the 'push off' and 'don't talk to me' stuff in the last email, I get an email from WW last night wanting to talk about tax stuff.. no real reaching out but she seems to be more open to discussing things now that I've started trying to POJA her using particular language at Jennifer's direction.

Basically in the email she said 'At this rate it doesn't look like the divorce is going to be final before April 15th. I was wondering how you would like to do taxes this year. Let me know.'

Nothing much to read into there, but she's asking me for my input rather than trying to 'control' and dictate things which I'll take as a very little victory.. and just over 24 hours after she 'pushed off' and I went back into the shadow she's initiating contact again.. not reading -too- much into that, but we've had more contact in the last few weeks than we've had in the 4 months prior.. all positive signs but don't worry, I'm not getting my hopes up, but I am thanking God for each little step.

Oddly I'm viewing the tax thing as an opportunity to Plan A. In my response to her I started by saying that I know she's got more experience with how things are usually handled in our situation, so I'd be open to talk about it with her. I gave my suggestion as 'My initial thought is that we get together to do the taxes both ways and decide which is best for us'... we'll see what she says to that.

I'm going to back off though, unless she initiates contact like this that merits a response.. I think it's time to let her do some reaching out before any communication resumes that isn't strictly business.

I imagine I'd be much better off filing married-separately.. I'd end up with the writoff for the house/homestead credit etc and I'd try to work out with her that I take DS as a deduction since she's going to get DSD. I'll have to see how it works out.


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Infodude.. interesting thing about Oz.. there's a section in the 31 Reasons to Stop your Affair file that Mr.W mentions a lot that talks about this very thing:

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When it comes to extramarital affairs or sexual addiction, this statement couldn't be more true. Dorothy's life was one of mediocrity.There was little or no color to her existence at the homestead, and she felt constrained by life's hardships and by those who controlled her life. She believed that no one understood her. In frustration, she tried to leave, only to find herself directly in the
path of an ominous tornado that sent her helplessly spinning into a strange new land of fantasy. Unlike her old life, this new life was painted with vibrant colors and was full of song. Furthermore, Dorothy was no longer alone. She found a strange troop of friends leading the way: a scarecrow that lacked brains, a tin man missing his heart, and a lion with no courage.This motley crew committed their lives to assisting young Dorothy and her dog Toto in her search for the Wizard of Oz. Interestingly, flying monkeys, wicked witches, and deception left Dorothy pining away for the very thing from which she had tried to run. She just wanted to be home again where she belonged.

I wonder if the author of the Wizard of Oz might not have been writing about some pitiful person trapped in an affair? How often do these indiscretions begin with feelings
of mediocrity, or a desire to feel alive and understood, free from the constraints of life's responsibilities and no longer alone? People often find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time because of the ambivalence generated by life's circumstances and frustrations.

Catapulted into a strange new fantasyland, the individual is left to wrestle with what to do. Only then do they end up operating with a series of handicaps like Dorothy's team—no brain, no heart, and no courage.

What do you decide to do when somebody has lost their brain? If you've ever observed someone in an affair, it is apparent they are operating a few cards short of a full deck.

They lose the ability to make even the simplest decisions. I have seen successful men and women in extremely influential positions transformed into inept and incompetent individuals who cannot make a rational decision.They become willing to jeopardize career,
family, and future for this momentary pleasure. If the behavior of being “in love” were not socially acceptable, they would be certifiably insane. Instead, they are allowed to stumble through life like the emperor with no clothes. Everyone else can see they have no brain, and that reason and common sense are gone, but often they are too polite to say anything.

The loss of heart is also apparent.There is an illusion that if one is in love, they are finally in touch with their heart, when in reality they've just lost what little heart they had. The selfish pursuits of personal gratification and self-glorification have nothing to do with
heart; rather they are based on self-centeredness.The total lack of consideration of how the betrayer’s actions will impact others is one of the most astounding aspects of an affair.

Like the tin man, the person involved in an affair has no heart and no empathy. Contrary to this, people with heart are actually able to feel the impact their actions have on those who are connected to them.They care about the pain they are inflicting upon those they love.The path out of this dark morass requires that they acquire a heart, not only to begin to experience awareness of the pain that's been inflicted, but also to learn how to truly love.

Finally, courage is certainly not a term used to describe those indulging in affairs. In fact, their betrayal seems to rob them of courage. Instead of exercising the necessary courage to acknowledge and own their feelings and actions, they hide behind a veil of secrecy, afraid of discovery and the consequences of their actions. Rather than having the courage to face the reality of the deficits in their marriage or address the issues resulting from their betrayal, they attempt to avoid conflict and hide their feelings and actions. Ironically, it is this lack of courage that keeps them hopelessly trapped in the life they claim to want to escape.The only way they can stay immobilized in this state is by the continued avoidance
of life's realities. Instead, why not be honest and stand up and own what has been done?

This simple solution creates immediate change as well as a loss of control. It requires courage to take personal responsibility for their life and actions. Frequently, those lacking the courage to stand up will hide behind the rationalization that they don't want to hurt their mate, claiming they are acting in their mate’s best interest by keeping secrets. In reality, however, they are controlling and robbing their mate of the information necessary to
take responsibility for their own life, to make informed decisions, and to address the issues in the marriage. It takes courage to be authentic in a marriage, but like the lion of Oz, courage is a trait that is often missing.

Interestingly enough, this trip to affair fantasyland usually culminates in a longing for home. Like Dorothy, they often realize that “there's no place like home.” But how do they return? It would be nice if they could click their heels together and repeat,“There’s no place like home,” but more is required.The journey back is more exciting, and ultimately more rewarding than the fantasyland, but it takes time and effort. It is, however, one’s best hope for growth and happiness. Come back to reality. Rediscover your brain, heart and courage, and you’ll find there truly is no place like home.

I know I'll never watch the Wizard of Oz the same again.


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Jamesus, where could I find this 31 Reasons by Mrs. W that you mentioned?

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SS.. It's not by Mrs. W, but Mr. W recommends it, and I think there's a link in his sig if I remember right.

They send it to you free when you sign up for the newsletter at www.affairrecovery.com

That website isn't associated with MB at all.. so just keep that in mind, your mileage may vary.


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Ahh... well isn't that nice..

She wanted to give me the choice of whether or not to claim DS this year or next.

I took this year.

Looks like we'll be filing separately.. silly me to think she'd actually be able to sit in the same room with me for any length of time and try to work something out without the lawyers.


Oh well.. back to work.


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April 15 has nothing to do with your divorce status.

If you were married on December 31st -- your filing status is "married." Then you can either file married jointly or married filing separately.

Married filing separate is the least favorable status.
You lose a LOT of available credits.

It would be in both of your best interests to file together.

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I realize this Lexxxy, but if she wants to file separately I can't stop her.

I too noted that April 15th has nothing to do with it. I don't have any explanation as to why she put that in there unless she was getting to the point that the final divorce would have in there who gets to claim DS on odd or even years etc.

I'm pretty sure now that's what she was trying to imply.

No big deal for me, I'll get to claim DS and the house, and be in a lower tax bracket so I figure I'll make out on this better than she will.


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Just be careful James.

Do you also realize that if one of you itemizes (ie house)
that the other gets a ZERO for the standard deduction?

And if she files first, and claims a standard deduction -- then you won't be able to claim the house, you will also have to use the standard deduction.

Also, no earned income credit.

FYI....

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I alone make too much for the EIC.. she will probably be able to claim it though.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, and yeah I realize there's a lot of ways I can get screwed on this, but if she's going to file now she's going to file now. I can't race her to file at this point because I won't even get my tax forms from work until the end of the month.


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I file head of household - although I am still married. Check the laws, but I was told that if a spouse was out of the house for 6 months of the year, you can claim head of household, with a qualifying child.....and that is better, I believe, than filing together even.

Look into it, could be worth your while.

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I'll check.. but she's only been out since August 4 months.

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You betcha!

Hmmm....since we don't want to encourage fudging on tax returns.......

Here's another suggestion - buy some tax software and do it every way that you can think of (guessing on her stuff). Let her know the results.

She may be willing to let you pay her the difference between what she would get back in taxes, if any, so that you may get a larger refund, if applicable. - or pay less in.

I dunno....just some thoughts.

WH was OH SO MAD last year when I filed without him - head of household and claimed both DDs. He refused to discuss the taxes with me beforehand, was not paying CS, so I did what I needed to do.

YOU matter, too.

If you end up not getting the best deal taxwise, bring it up to your lawyer - maybe she will have to compensate you if you have to take the minimum deduction and it effects your refund or tax due.

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James:

File FIRST.

Claim your Son.

SHE is not a "Head of Household" WSB mommy owns the house.

File FIRST.

Electronically if you can.

DO NOT discuss the various options and hope she passes along the savings. Won't happen, she will feel "Entitled" to the extra refund.

File FIRST.

With the IRS the first to file wins, as far as they are concerned, and they then reject the second filing if your Son is claimed again.

Also, be careful with establishing precedents, Swapping exemption years, filing status, etc, may become FINAL in a Divorce decree. Careful what it appears that you are agreeing to.

Filing Status IS of the end of the year, and you are MARRIED. So, all you have is MFS, or joint. Review the filing status info, and the qualifing child info carefully, as the rules have changed ALOT in the past two years.

File FIRST.

Once WW looks at her refunds with ONE child, and then with TWO kids, the impulse to ignore your verbal agreement is TOO much. So, file FIRST.

I used to think that the IRS should not benefit due to your marital difficulties. I have since come to believe that the wayward will take all that they can anyway, so, protect yourself, FIRST. You can file an amended return later, after you reconcile.

Oh, and I have experience with this....

LG

Oh, BTW,did I tell you to file FIRST?

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I'd listen to LG first.

I'm under the impression you are in Plan A and I was hoping to work within the confines of that. This particular situation will most likely cause a LB or two.

But LG is right......he has more experience than I. LBing may just be a risk you need to take.

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I don't have all the tax information back from work yet. I don't think I can file without my tax stuff from work. She's going to win the filing first race I'm afraid.

Small office, she's probably already got her tax stuff ready to go.

I'm in a huge multinational company.. I'll see mine around the end of the month.


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James:

Yes, file NOW.

Go 2 your personnel dept and get your W-2 as quickly as you can.

Also, I'd go 2 a tax accountant for filing your taxes. It might cost you a few hundred bucks, but that's deductible from your next year's re2rn.

We got audited about 15 year ago for a silly mistake in interpretation of the code, and it 2k us about 5 years 2 pay off the penalties. I'll never do my own taxes again.

-ol' 2long

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