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It is NOT a matter of a spouse not having needs met and gradually moving a boundary further and further until they find themselves in an affair.
That's what I have been trying to uncover. Did I not meet his emotional needs, I really tried to, I tried learning about them and meeting them. I gave up volunteer work and it didn't make him happy. I made him the head of our household, it didn't make him happy. I gave up all my friends and it did't make him happy. I spent time learning about what was most important to him and when I thought I found it, made them happen it didn't make him happy. The one thing he held over an over me was that I did't get up at 6:00 am on Saturday to go watch him play soccer. His argument was that I did for my boys. I don't know what his needs are because when I tried them it didn't make him happy.

So I pulled back and began to volunteer again. You see what I mean, I don't know what the truth is. That's all I ever wanted, was did I cause this or just this is who he is.

Just out of curiosity, this website preaches about how they are addicted to the OW and relationship, how is that any different than what we have been talking about. Once in the addiction until addressed it keeps getting worse, which is exactly what happened.

My Plan B says he must stop contact with OW, we write the NC letter and he needs to go back to AA. That's all I can ask for. Besides, SMB, he has no use for me, he has a self-entitlement, remember. In fact, he told me that I would NEVER find anyone as good as him.

Actually he doesn't believe that anyone would ever want me because he has NO desire for me. I'm garbage, ugly and fat garbage.

Please keep your .02 coming.

This all doesn't change the fact that I love him with all my heart and promised G-d to be married to him all the days of my life.

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His mind games, the witholding of affections, the teasing of me constantly, the picking at me and pushing at my buttons drove my nuts until I didn't know what else to do.

In the end it was because I was fat and he has no desire for me, and that he didn't want to be married to his best friend anymore. SMB, she is fat. He said we didn't live a healthy lifestyle, she has hep C.

I don't know what is or isn't truth and that's why I struggle so much.


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Hey Queenie!

I am certain that yesterday's events had an impact on WH. But it's my own feeling that if you truly want to make an impact at this point, you are going to have to move into Plan B swiftly. My reason for this, is your discussion of his past financial problems.

If you want him to crash and crash quickly, his wake up call will come from the consequences of his wreckless financial mismanagement. He won't look all that attractive to OW when his inability to handle his finances become obvious. He may realize how unattractive OW is when she can't help him either. They will be love busting each other like crazy. Finances are one of the top reasons that relationships fall apart (sorry to call the affair a "relationship").

Help him hit his bottom by not being their to prevent it. Hence, Plan B.

I know you have some legal issues to finalize, but get it done quickly and protect yourself.





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I truly truly am working it as fast as I can. And you might be right about that. He is a financial mess. I just received a letter in the mail where people are looking for him to pay on his medical and credit card debt.

He really is no rose, but he's mine and I love him. He is self destructive and yet she can live there for free. She is used to living a poor life, she didn't have her own home up until she moved in with my WH.

This is really an ugly sitch. Lucky me.... hanks tst. I need some encouragement that I am doing the right thing.


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Ok, how much do you think he is having to reassure her after what I did yesterday? LOL....

I saw her face and oh man, she was pissed and uncomfortable.

I wonder what he was thinking. I mean he didn't even come over and say hi for goodness sake.


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One thing. I don't know if this makes a difference SMB. I don't believe the time he cheated on me when I was pregnant was more than once and it was with a hooker. That's when things started to unravel for him drug wise.


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One thing. I don't know if this makes a difference SMB. I don't believe the time he cheated on me when I was pregnant was more than once and it was with a hooker. That's when things started to unravel for him drug wise.

It wouldn't matter to me....they're all ho's.


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I agree, just wanted to make sure I was being honest with the story


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Hi Queenie,

Well it sounds like you had a little too much fun making the OW cringe. LOL
Way to go! Can you imaging the LBing going on between the two of them after the game.

How are things other than that? You sound stronger than last week.

Keep you head up dear!!!


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It's very possible that there wasn't ANY LB'ing going on. I have no idea. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I did MY Plan A. And I did it with class because I am his wife and I can do that. And she will be known as the adulterous. And if my husband lied to these people and said she was his wife, then I have truth on my side and put that to rest. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I don't know if it made her cringe at all. Again, it wasn't about them. This was for me. I am not going down without a fight. Though I have to admit, what he did by not saying hi once and kissing her in front of me, was disgusting and did hurt a little bit. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

But MY HEAD WAS UP, CHEST WAS OUT, SMILE WAS SHINING AND LAUGHTER WAS ON. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I'm trying to keep my head up, TMTS. How are you? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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But MY HEAD WAS UP, CHEST WAS OUT, SMILE WAS SHINING AND LAUGHTER WAS ON.


What issues do YOU HAVE with self-respect and anger? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Not sure I understand what you mean?


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Why did you post that stuff on THE ANGER thread?


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I don't understand what YOU are asking?


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What issues do YOU HAVE with self-respect and anger?
I didn't understand what you meant by this.

Which part that I posted on the anger thread? About my self-respect, anger, or lack of anger and confusion?

Are you still enjoying your miracle from Saturday?


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Queenie:

Because of my own anger and self-respect issues, I will not be posting on that thread. Was just looking out for you, being loyal, in case there was something that I could assist you with regarding these issues. Just in case there was something you wanted to ask of ME.


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I so admire your strength and commitment to yourself and well-being.

I am really working hard at learning how to be self-respectful. Over and over again people tell me how I just need to get angry and get over. And for me, it just doesn't live inside me anymore

I was an angry person in my M and I choose today to not have those feelings inside myself. So yes, if you could help me look at, just because I am not angry about what has happened is not a statement of me not respecting myself.

And what I did at the game this weekend, felt like I was gaining back my self-respect and I want to learn how to cultivate it in a G-dly manner.


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What did you do at the game this weekend?

Bottom line, you know how much I agree with the importance of maintaining your SELF-RESPECT. But, it is ESSENTIAL that this be done without ANGRY OUTBURSTS and ARGUING.

I think OUTBURSTS and ARGUING are useless..just FIGHTING WITH WORDS..demeaning and disrespectful to all involved...mostly has EVIL intent, IMO...

I believe that the HEALTHY WAY to express ANGER is with CONTROL and PLANNING the BEST and most EFFECTIVE WAY to do so, calmly SPEAKING YOUR TRUTH in a way that you are HEARD.


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I believe that the HEALTHY WAY to express ANGER is with CONTROL and PLANNING the BEST and most EFFECTIVE WAY to do so, calmly SPEAKING YOUR TRUTH in a way that you are HEARD.
We are so in agreement on this. I don't like anger. I lived with it for so long and I don't want it to exist in my life AT ALL.

Through this whole ugly ordeal I haven't gotten angry. The night I found out I screamed and cried, but even that was not usual for me. I think what I thought that thread was saying is by me not getting angry over this I am disrespecting myself. That's what I need to look at.

Here's what I did Saturday at the field.

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I have been a very busy GODDESS today. VERY BUSY. I got up, went for about a 3 mile walk in the sun around the lake, then went to the library, picked out a few books and then went to the tanning booth. Sometime during my walk I gathered up enough strength and decided to go to WH's lacrosse game.

OH YES, CHEST OUT, HEAD UP AND SMILE SHINING, I walked right down onto that field with OW there. I immediately started talking to people and introducing myself as WH's wife. I got asked to keep score. At one point I needed to leave the field and get a pen. I know she was hoping that I was leaving for good. NOT.....

I walked back down and invaded her space and blocked her out. I talked to the players, one of them particularly from the high school team. I talked to the mgrs wife introduced myself as WH's wife and that he was having an affair with a crack addict with hep C. I loved him and was fighting for him to come home. I told her that I was here to support my husband and that I wasn't going to cause any trouble.

Then she said, you've changed. I asked her if we had met before she said yes and then she said my hair was shorter and a different color. I laughted and said that was the other woman she had met. LOL. I chatted with the refs... they know me as his wife..and the lacrosse mom for Maple Valley.

I walked up and down the side lines, cheering for my honey, very sweetly and supportive. She didn't say one word. She walked over to the ladies at one point and stood by them and they pretty much ignored her. I don't know if they were doing it on purpose or not.

And then at half time, I went and got near where she was, pushing her away from those ladies and just started talking.

My WH, ran by me and barely said hi, in fact I don't think he did at all. He completely ignored me pretty much the whole time and would walk over to her throughout the game and give her a peck kiss. Actually not a very loving kisses, but that's my interpretation.

I can only imagine what OW was thinking. I looked FABULOUS, tan, getting skinny and strutting my strength and territory, all the while completely ignoring her. The weirdest thing is she kept picking at her nails. Constantly. Don't know what that was about.

She was pretty quiet throughout the game, stood really close to WH. At one point he got sandwiched pretty bad and she walked over there. So did I, but I calmy stayed away and just my presence was enough. I hope he knew I was there.

I felt empowered. She has no idea when I am going to turn up next and when I do, I walk right in like I belong, which I do. Right after the game, I handed off the scoring information and walked away. As I got almost to the end of the field I looked back and there she was staring at me. I turned and smiled, walked up the ramp and held my hands up in success.

I have NO clue whether he is pissed at me or not. I have no idea what home is like for them tonight. But I do know, that she wasn't smiling too much while I was there. Oh, I did notice she is wearing a ring on her wedding finger. I wanted to puke. But of course, I was showing off my BIGGER diamonds in the sunlight and turned to face her a couple of times so she could see that I wear my H wedding ring on my neck. My very tan neck.

So, how did I do? I don't have much Plan Aing time left, so I really wanted to take this opportunity. I just needed to do it for me. I left with the wifes knowing that my H is going through a mid life crisis, I even asked one if she thought he would come out of it. I told her we weren't even legally separated. I just had to do it. I might have lost him forever, but I was going down with a fight, the only way I know how. With my grace, love and support for my H in my heart.

Oh I do have to cop and say that when it was over, I turned to the one wife and said, well I have had enough of being around the slut for one afternoon. I know that was wrong, but I did it lovingly and jokingly.

Do you think this will matter to him at all?


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I don't buy that you haven't gotten angry.

I've heard you EXPRESS ANGER and you've EVIDENCED your ANGER plenty of times.

What do you think being REALLY ANGRY should be like..OUT OF CONTROL????


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