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Okay, please accept my apologies then, 2.

I agree. If we follow the TOS, and true decency, flame wars would be difficult 2 start.

-ol' 2long

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Arkie....come back....you don't like the term Vet, Mel doesn't like the term Vet, I don't like the term Vet, most all of us don't like labels at all.....
Mark doesn't want to take care of farm animals.....2long wants to be a dental floss tycoon......

It's all goood. No one can control anyone but themselves.

I agree with Mel. Let's wage war on adultery together.

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I liked Jeff Wayne's musical version of "War of the Worlds". That on topic?

-ol' 2long

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But it doesn't matter 2 me, once we annex Australia!

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MEDC,

You don't know what this thread's about? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Sheeshhhhh!! This is some IMPORTANT stuff! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Arkie's teaching us how to properly apply pasties while doing the hubba-hubba!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Listen up. You never know when you might need this info!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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MEDC in pasties! BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!! The visual is hilarious!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MEDC do yours have tassles? If so, can you make them swing in opposite directions??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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If so, can you make them swing in opposite directions???

As I recall, Elvira Mistress of the Dark did this quite ably in the grand finale scene of her one and only movie. Can’t beat classic cimema!


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I'll have to do a little shaving first...they need to stick...and NO Mrs. W, thumbtacks are not an option!

tassles....yep. I'll work ont he directional stuff...after all I DID watch Oprah today!

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I'll have to do a little shaving first...they need to stick...and NO Mrs. W, thumbtacks are not an option!

tassles....yep. I'll work ont he directional stuff...after all I DID watch Oprah today!

You could get waxed like in 40 Year Old Virgin...MEDC the MAN O' LANTERN!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hey when watching Oprah, be honest, you were wearing pasties and chaps weren't ya? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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hey, where did ou hide that video camera!? I need to be more careful around the house!

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I hear that duct/duck tape works great! According to Mr. W that stuff fixes EVERYTHING! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Because if I've learned one thing it is that there is so much I don't know and the more I learn the more I realize that I don't know squat! I tell people I know a little bit less about a little bit more than anyone else and if I keep studying really hard I figure that when I die, I'll know nothing about everything and everything about nothing at all.

My brain hurts...


LMAO!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



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I hear that duct/duck tape works great! According to Mr. W that stuff fixes EVERYTHING
It is one of only two tools...

The other is WD40.

If it isn't supposed to move and does, use duct tape.

If it is supposed to move and doesn't, use WD40.

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I hear that duct/duck tape works great! According to Mr. W that stuff fixes EVERYTHING
It is one of only two tools...

The other is WD40.

If it isn't supposed to move and does, use duct tape.

If it is supposed to move and doesn't, use WD40.

Mark


Mark,

I tried the WD40, but I broke out in a rash. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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I tried the WD40, but I broke out in a rash.
Did you put duct tape on it? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Windex for rashes,
WD40 for things that don't move,
Duct tape for everything else.

I think you had it backwards.


A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
~ English proverb



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Though I guess I didn't state it right, my point was that we did do harm to them though not intentionally. While feelings and perceptions are transient, that does not make them unreal to the person who is having those feelings or perceptions.

It isn't that someone simply thought I hurt them, they were hurt by my actions or words because they misinterpreted my intent or meaning. Isn't it my responsibility to attempt to clarify my words so that they do not take offense where none was intended? Or should I just tell them that they are wrong in the way they feel about what I did or said and let it remain their problem? Or should I just try to justify my position and be done with it?

Or should I then intentionally attempt to hurt them and/or their feelings further by calling them stupid for not understanding me properly? Am I justified in doing that?




If you said something someone else misinterpreted, then of course you should clarify.

In my business, I see people take offense at things all the time, that were not "intended" to cause offense at all. Often, the "offended" party has difficulty understanding for any number of reasons, perceptions being one of them.

There are times that no attempt to clarify on the speaker's part could be successful - because there are times that the "offended" party has decided to be offended and has decided that what they heard is what was meant, and that's that (this would be the hard-headed listener!). Other times, a simple clarification results in everyone being happy. And other times, something in the middle happens, and both parties are "okay" with it.

Communication errors and misperceptions happen all the time. Who is the responsible party? Depends. In your example, the listener.

See, what I do is communication analyses, so that's what I would say in the cases you presented.

However, in the idea you asked for retaliatory communication - I've seen that happen too - everyone has of course. That's how fights start. While that's not what is the recommended course of action, it's what often happens.

And it isn't always the "reason" fights start.

Because in the analyses, it isn't necessarily a communication "problem" that is the source of the fight. Often, the communication is EXACTLY what was intended - as in the case of the hard-headed person. It can be exactly the case that the communication was PURPOSELY "misinterpreted" for the specific purpose of causing a disruption, anger, and problems.

This is often done so that later on, the "problem" can be easily blamed on a "communication misunderstanding", and not on the person truly at fault. The person who PURPOSELY decided not to accept the clarification, not to listen to reason, not to allow the person who originally did nothing to offend and meant no offense - because it puts the person in a power position or serves some purpose.

Communication and perception are quite complex, and your examples have intermingled the two.



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And what if someone else jumps to their defense, am I then justified in shifting my wrath to them by alluding to what I perceive them to be saying or doing, though I know nothing more of their intent than the person who was offended knew of my intent in the first place?


Now, into the realm of "intent". This is quite a different area entirely, when we talk philosophically! There's an entire world of debate when the word "intent" comes onto the scene. If we are talking "communicative intent" in the specific example presented, I will take for granted that the people understand the situation and - therefore - communicative intent would be known. That is, one would know that the third party is in fact communicating for the purpose of defending the "offended" party.

That would be "communicative intent". Other intents would be subterfuge, and would have to be assumed by the first and second parties, and outside the purview of myself for this example, and therefore I could not analyze them.

As to your perceptions of their "intents", I would presume you mean beyond communicative intents. That would mean that you are making some sort of assumption that there are underlying mechanisms and desires on the part of the third party which are being met by this defense - and those are wholly YOUR own perception in the example. You are responsible for those perceptions, unless you have evidence that bears them out.

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But if you glue your pasties on

Doesn't that make them

"Glue-ies?""

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Maybe we could get plaid pasties, and pretend we are all CELTs?

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Maybe we could get plaid pasties, and pretend we are all CELTs?

SB

KEWL...I'm gonna sing "Zippidy Doo Dah" when wearing mine! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

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silly people...

pasties are tastey

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