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silly people...

pasties are tastey

ARkie

Edible pasties to go with your edible undies arkie??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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SB,

I'm not a communication analyst and I'm not trained in communication...

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There are times that no attempt to clarify on the speaker's part could be successful - because there are times that the "offended" party has decided to be offended and has decided that what they heard is what was meant, and that's that (this would be the hard-headed listener!).
And I deal with this attitude daily with customers who are certain that my only possible motivation is to swindle them and get them to buy something that will be of no use to them, though they have come to me to purchase what I am selling. These are the ones that require very creative ways in order to close the sale. I have found that in many of these cases, they can become the most loyal of customers. In other cases, they become the customer from he!! because they never run out of things to gripe about.

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Other times, a simple clarification results in everyone being happy. And other times, something in the middle happens, and both parties are "okay" with it.
And I think that in the vast majority of cases this is what can and should take place.

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it isn't necessarily a communication "problem" that is the source of the fight. Often, the communication is EXACTLY what was intended - as in the case of the hard-headed person. It can be exactly the case that the communication was PURPOSELY "misinterpreted" for the specific purpose of causing a disruption, anger, and problems.
And this I see a lot of in some threads here. I also see the opposite, or what I think is the opposite, where a statement is made, though while true, is made to imply something other than what is being stated. And in those cases, I would place the "blame' for the misunderstanding on the speaker rather than on the hearer.

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As to your perceptions of their "intents", I would presume you mean beyond communicative intents. That would mean that you are making some sort of assumption that there are underlying mechanisms and desires on the part of the third party which are being met by this defense - and those are wholly YOUR own perception in the example. You are responsible for those perceptions, unless you have evidence that bears them out.
I think what I meant, though I haven't given any of this much thought today, is that the first, or offending party in this case, sees intent other than defense of the offended person by the third party that gets involved and arrives at a conclusion that I think IS based on purposely misinterpreting what is being said.

And yeah, I know, now I'm imposing my perceptions of intent on the scenario. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Actually, I could cite specific examples rather than try to do this in the hypothetical realm, but then I might offend someone and that is not what I want to do right now.


I actually think this thread shows that people can disagree, correct wrong or misunderstood perceptions and do it without shouting or name calling. And I guess I just don't understand why that can't be the norm rather than the exception.

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Ah Mark,

I'm having some fun having this discussion with you!

I truly enjoy theoretical discussion with people about communication, perception, and all kinds of nerdy stuff.

Thanks for the entertainment. I'm sincere in that! I don't get to do this at work - all they want is the report, and what my "bottom line" is.

Gee, they aren't any fun at all.


Anyway, you are right about your customers. It's the same, though, in a wide variety situations of communication. Folks go into many conversations with an idea of what they desire the outcome to be - and often, with a plan for that outcome no matter what is communicated by the other person or how it is communicated.

BUT

The good news is that this type of "negotiation" can be thwarted with simple tactics of using their own style against them. If you understand the style of communicator, they each have a kind of "trademark" weakness. You can capitalize on that, and use it.

It is somewhat more difficult in the posting realm, but possible.

I understand what you are talking about, and the difficulties here on the boards. There certainly are many users who take offense where none is meant, who grab a phrase and turn it in a way that was unlikely intended, or take a discussion in a direction that was not the orginal intent when it might serve the purpose of the poster.

I have also seen many posts with, as you put it, underlying meanings. There are also others with blatant lies.

Some posters have more than one "persona" and utilize multiple usernames, although I do think that the moderators are working on that problem. I did have a different username for a few weeks when I first signed up, but didn't use it long because I felt like it just didn't portray how I felt about myself, and I didn't realize I could just change how the screen showed it - instead I re-registered under Schoolbus. I think this happens sometimes, more often than we think.

But other times, I think people like the idea of more than one username so they can post their story in one place, and be "someone else" for other reasons elsewhere. Sometimes I find myself wondering about that, and seeing similarities in different user's posts, and wondering about that type of thing - is this user that user too???? I can't help it, just happens to me.

Perhaps this is a hazard of my job, and I see similarities because that's what I do, or perhaps because the similarities are there.

There was once a thread where some people did name other usernames they had used before - but let die or don't use any longer. That thread was actually about something else originally, though....I can't remember offhand about it now.

I digress, sorry!


I agree that I would like to see the members focus more on building marriages. But as with any forum, there will be disagreements. Civil disagreements are more pleasant.

But hey, don't you like popcorn and fireworks once in awhile???? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Edited because this durn thing posted this twice.....

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Um, SB, dear dear SB, did you mean to post that twice? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Course, I thought it was fun reading it both times. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Okay smartie pants. I live in the sticks. "Hickville", as it were. Our Internet consists of two cans and a string. When we want DSL, we use bigger cans and put the neighborhood kid up on the roof and tell him to pull the string a little tighter.


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Bwaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Our 'string' has been broken, so I have been on serious W/D's. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



Are the bigger cans really faster?


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I just love bigger cans but have to be content with what I have.....


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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!! ALL of YOU!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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It's not the size of the cans that matter. Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

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Yes... but usually only people who have bigger cans......


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I find that most bigger cans got that way from being sat on too much.

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I actually think this thread shows that people can disagree, correct wrong or misunderstood perceptions and do it without shouting or name calling. And I guess I just don't understand why that can't be the norm rather than the exception.


I have wondered about that too.

While the "shouting" might indicate anger? passion? intensity?

What possible reason can justify namecalling? IMO, it is a combination of 2 things.

A grandiose sense of one's own importance and a denigrating attitude toward the individual's who get called names.

Are there other possible reasons? Answer.com defines namecalling as "a crude substitute for argument."

In an article on Psychologyhelp.com I found the following excerpt:

" The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset. "

I don't know if I agree fully with that. I see name calling for the name caller as indicating two things: It demonstrates an attempt to "power over" another individual and it demonstrates an attempt to coerce another individual into silence or compliance.

Just MHO.

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graplin...That's an interesting assessment from one that only a day ago was calling some people "The Wizard of Odds" in their signature line...hmmmm...

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graplin...That's an interesting assessment from one that only a day ago was calling some people "The Wizard of Odds" in their signature line...hmmmm...


I have no idea what you're talking about. Why would you think I was calling anyone Wizard of Odds?

Wikipedia: "The Wizard of Odds (July 17, 1973-June 28, 1974) was a daytime television game show hosted by Alex Trebek. "

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LOL...Whatever graplin!

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Edit removed due to inappropriate intent. This entire e-mail has been forwarded to the mods.

Just putting this here, so there is no denial later...<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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Just putting this here, so there is no denial later...


I've never denied anything I have posted.

Do you think that my tagline applies to you in some way?

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Have good day graplin! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Thanks for the well wishes, your substantive contribution to the topic is greatly appreciated.

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