Welcome to the
Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum

This is a community where people come in search of marriage related support, answers, or encouragement. Also, information about the Marriage Builders principles can be found in the books available for sale in the Marriage Builders® Bookstore.
If you would like to join our discussion forum, please read the Announcement Forum for instructions, rules, & guidelines.
The members of this community are peers and not professionals. Professional coaching is available by clicking on the link titled Coaching Center at the top of this page.
We trust that you will find the Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum to be a helpful resource for you. We look forward to your participation.
Once you have reviewed all the FAQ, tech support and announcement information, if you still have problems that are not addressed, please e-mail the administrators at mbrestored@gmail.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
M
medc Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Click on the Sunday 4/6 link under "Current Teachings."

http://www.ccphilly.org/home/default.aspx

or cut and paste this to your address bar.

mms://media.ccphilly.org/Teaching/Topical/T43_John/SAM62124.mp3

To note, this is a Christian teaching for those that are so inclined to listen.

MEDC

Last edited by mkeverydaycnt; 04/06/08 12:08 PM.
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
I REALLY was BLESSED in listening to this....

Coming FACE to FACE with JESUS...BEEN THERE....

I will PRAY for the FOW today...that she goes THERE, has gone THERE, too...


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
F
Member
Offline
Member
F
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
39:20 well spent MEDC.

The interesting thing would be to hear some discussion of how folks are applying the teaching to their lives and their relationships, and here on MB as to how we apply God's perspective to others who have been hurt by adultery or the cause of the pain.

Thanks for the link.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
I listened to it MEDC. I needed to hear that. I've heard it before,a long time ago, but it was good for me to hear it again.

Being humbled hurts sometimes. Casting stones and all that....

All of the forgiveness stuff from your other thread, the anger thread, Mulan's boundary thread, and listening to this sermon, have all been instrumental for helping me to push past the anger and rage that was eating me alive and keeping me stuck in the worst pain imaginable. I feel like I'm starting to move forward a little more now.

Thanks again MEDC.





Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
The sermon and the SCRIPTURE, IMO, state that TRUE FORGIVENESS comes from JESUS CHRIST..

We are to pray that the sinner seeks FORGIVENESS through a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with HIM...

We, as Christians, are taught to NOT be JUDGMENTAL and to leave it all in GOD'S HANDS...


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
M
medc Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Quote
We, as Christians, are taught to NOT be JUDGMENTAL and to leave it all in GOD'S HANDS...

I do not agree with this Mimi. I think we are taught to righteously judge others....to NOT be a hypocrite.

see John 7:24

Last edited by mkeverydaycnt; 04/06/08 01:34 PM.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
Quote
We, as Christians, are taught to NOT be JUDGMENTAL and to leave it all in GOD'S HANDS...

I agree Mimi and that was so hard for me to do. I'm just now getting there.


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
M
medc Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Mopey, it is right to judge and we are commanded to do so. It just needs to be done in a righteous fashion.

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
NO STONES WERE THROWN.


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
MEDC, I agree that we shouldn't be hypocrites.

Will you tell me what you mean by righteously judging others?

Does it have anything to do with boundaries, or keeping our brothers in line with God's word?


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
I agree that I threw stones, and not in a righteous fashion.

And for that, I need to ask for forgiveness.


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
We all SIN and FALL SHORT...

I pray for SINNERS to SEEK the LORD'S SALVATION...


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
M
medc Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Mopey,

I would suggest that you read the reference to John above. An internet search of "judging & Christian" will lead you to thousands of sites that will help you with this topic.

Imagine what the world would be like if we were not able to judge behaviors. Anything would go! In fact, that is one of the main reasons that we have abortions (and those that support it), sexual immorality and so many other sins running rampant. People are afraid to call their neighbor on their terrible behaviors. People put away their morals when they vote, pick friends...etc.

Be very careful with this VERY liberal mindset that we shouldn't judge. I think the point that was being made int he sermon was that the hypocrites that brought this woman to Jesus were in fact living very sinful lives and really were not trying to help this person...they were condemning her. They didn't follow the thoughts of hating the sin and loving the sinner...they did nothing to bring her up...in fact they used her as a tool to mock the Lord and to inflate their own importance.

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
I AGREE that when someone does WRONG that WE should CALL THEM on it.

So, I guess I don't mean that we should not be JUDGMENTAL...

I was in error.




I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,310
We should not SEEK VENGEANCE...


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
Thanks MEDC. I agree with what you said. It's just all in how you say it I believe.

I will also look up that scripture.



Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
M
medc Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Quote
We should not SEEK VENGEANCE...

agreed

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
F
Member
Offline
Member
F
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
Quote
MEDC, I agree that we shouldn't be hypocrites.

Will you tell me what you mean by righteously judging others?

Does it have anything to do with boundaries, or keeping our brothers in line with God's word?

mopey - it has to do with being discerning of the truth versus falsehood, that we often call "judging." That word "judging" is most often interpreted with a negative connotation, but it's not always that way.

The basic biblical teaching on the subject is that we are not to "judge" unbelievers but we are to "judge" those who claim the name of Christ for themselves.

The primary reference for this, if you'd like to look it up, is 1 Cor. 5:9-13.

The key thing to remember is that the purpose of judging in this context is not punishment, it is to hopefully achieve conviction, repentance, and restoration.


Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,327
Thanks FH. I think I understand. I'll read those scriptures too.


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 288
E
Member
Offline
Member
E
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 288
Thank you for sharing the link, MEDC. It was a very good sermon... made me laugh and cry. Such a vital message for all of us to hear and understand.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Fordude 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Search
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 102 guests, and 60 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
cbm800, Dodo M, Kingpin, MikaylaVaux, I.P.
71,728 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics133,546
Posts2,322,791
Members71,729
Most Online3,185
Jan 27th, 2020
Building Marriages That Last A Lifetime
Copyright © 1995-2020, Marriage Builders®. All Rights Reserved.  |  Web Development by SunStar Media.
Site Navigation
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5