ILMF,

I'll bet that many women would discount me as a good counselor of these scriptures because of my age and education.

A young mother/college dropout doesn't gain a whole lot of respect in the field of knowledge when people want to be stubborn, especially.

But, if you think Mrs. ILMF would listen, I would certainly share what I *think I* know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Petals

ZUZUS!!! Gosh! I HOPE people would not misconstrue my comment to mean ANYone is ready for sex. That's like saying because a boy learns to hold his penis during urination, he's ready to use it for penetration. NOT so. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I'm saying masturbation is natural for children. So is scratching one's [censored] when it itches. Natural doesn't mean everyone partakes or SHOULD partake! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

IMLF!! I'm sorry and stand corrected. I got a little excited as I hear the "sin of Onan" argument for masturbation all the time and was keying faster then reading! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Judah, Er's (deseased) and Onan's father, Tamar's father-in-law told him to do so. It was the customary for the land at that time, and sanctioned BY God, for the b-i-l to sleep with the widow's wife, at that time, to bring forth the deceased man's seed. thanks for catching that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ September 07, 2003, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Seven63 ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ilmf:
<strong>[b]Even though it was me that brought it up, it was only an idle tangent because it had nothing so much to do with lust or pleasure in this case, but instead more practical considerations. (Though I appreciate your thoughts on this, Devoted)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And I shouldn't have brought up the correction. I guess I sometimes find myself getting into Bible debates, which is odd because for me the Bible has little to do with my relationship with God. I'm one of those that seek spirituality from within rather than be lead by other humans in spiritual matters (for the most part anyway). I do find the Bible interesting and like to read/study it. To me it is essentially true in spirit if not in an historical sense. I hope that doesn't offend anyone as that isn't my intent.

Anyway, just wanted you to know I wasn't trying to pick a fight. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> I guess I just like Bible debates, God help me!

Take care.

I agree with you Petals on the whole children/masturbation thing. The whole "masturbation is natural for children" doesn't really fly with me. It seems like something a child molester would say "Oh, well you do this on your own anyway, so I might as well do it to you...I know you think it feels good..." I'm not at all saying Seven is a child molester in any way, shape or form, but seven, I think your experience of bringing yourself to orgasm at the age of 8 is really quite unusual. I was molested as well and to make it sound like children of that age are sexual, pleasurable creatures almost makes me sick to my stomach. Most 8 year olds are NOT thinking about sexual sensations, nor do they sit in their rooms bringing themselves to orgasm. Yes, they may brush against their genitals, yes, they may explore the region occassionally but I truly don't believe it is for the purpose of sexual satisfaction.

Hey, Petals, Seven63, Devoted. . . and Diamonzzz (Diamonzzz lastly because she mentioned that thing about lust & adultery, though hasn’t been back since I last posted)

To begin with, I really do have to consider that about 99% of what I’ve said really never was really quite relevant to the topic, moreover in the context that’s come out of it. . .

Also, Seven63. . . I’m the [censored] who started flashing “corrections” at people first!
Also, DevotedHusb. . . same to you too. . .to you both, in that I was not at all offended, and in fact appreciated that you took time to honor my thoughts with your replies.

I’ve shared in other topics with all of you, and appreciate your thoughts as well as the spirit of your posts. For what it’s worth, Seven. . . having heard the same argument (the sin of Onan) preached inappropriately before, I am aware of the “cue” that such a reference has.

Nothing that any of you has posted seemed less than fine in spirit to me, and oh-yes, Devoted. . . you were perfectly fine by me, all along. All of you, in fact.

Thanks though, for being so considerate – thank you very much, and for entertaining my bits of this discussion.

Geez. . . funny how when people are really nice, it makes you wonder if you’ve been nice enough yourself, eh? (See me wondering now?)

Hope everyone is well

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Genital massage, which is what I think many younger kids do, is different from masturbation. Masturbation has its own intended purpose. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's a softened definition of masturbation, yes, that might serve to lesson the stigma. However, masturbation is.....

Excitation of one's own or another's genital organs, usually to orgasm, by manual contact or means other than sexual intercourse.

manual stimulation of the genital organs (of yourself or another) for sexual pleasure

Sexual stimulation or gratification of the self.

The act of touching oneself to produce a favorable feeling in the groin area.

Once a child is aware of the 'feeling' associated with the action, many will do it at some point to recreate that 'feeling'. They oftimes discover what "feels good" and "do it" again. It's biology and nature and nothing to be fearful of. They have to, like with most things, learn to control things that might not be 'appropriate' at that time. If it feels better to call it genital massage.....cool. It's not to say children are little perverts in waiting. It's the exact opposite. They It's NOT with SEX in mind, or anything else reserved for married adults. Heck....I din't know what sex was until I was around 12 years old....LITERALLY. I thought you could be pregnant from kissing. So, you're right...it's not for "sexual gratification.

<small>[ September 06, 2003, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Seven63 ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm not at all saying Seven is a child molester in any way, shape or form, but seven, I think your experience of bringing yourself to orgasm at the age of 8 is really quite unusual.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I would hope not, on the former part of the comment. As you'd get into a spat the likes of which you've never endured on the net! And you'd be surprised with the latter part of your comment. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Masturbation in Young Children

Frequency Among Age Groups

Again...I'm not talking about children sitting in a corner, rocking in a chair jamming their fingers into themselves. I'm talking about 18 mos olds, 2 year olds....even EIGHT year olds and other children enjoying the sensation that comes from genital "massage" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> and repeating it in order to repeat the sensation. Doing it long enough can result in orgasm. Now, at that time, I didn't KNOW it was an orgasm and had no idea of what sex was (again, I never had sex until I was a freshman in college), but "this feeling" I got happened again when I figured out how to have sex and BANG! "I've done THIS before"

Gotta go to bed now! Chat with you guys tomorrow.

PS:..." that sounds like something a fridgid prude would say.....NOT that I'm calling MG a fridgid prude in any way, shape, or form... ". Just thought I'd put that comment a few posts up into perspective! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ September 06, 2003, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Seven63 ]</small>

Just because I don't like to think of infants and children masturbating themselves into oblivion does NOT make me a frigid prude. The same as how I don't enjoy hearing a woman my mother's age go into explicit detail about her bodily functions during sex and how much she wants to "pulse around her husband's member" or whatever. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Thanks, but no thanks.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ilmf:
<strong>Geez. . . funny how when people are really nice, it makes you wonder if you’ve been nice enough yourself, eh? (See me wondering now?)
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">lol...I know, I felt the same way. I was a tiny bit worried that maybe I had offended YOU. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> So we'll stop with the apologies and move on. You're nice, I'm nice...we're all nice people.

MG:

I'm a bit worried for you---you're a mom now. You have a daughter. She probably hasn't exhibited signs of masturbation yet, but she will!

I began masturbating at 4 or 5 years old---but it wasn't sexual, it was F U N. All children involve themselves in some kind of genital play---it's NATURAL! In fact, Kinsey did research on this subject and found that babies as young as 9 (I think) months old were having as many as 38 orgasms in an HOUR!

You have to look at this as any other responsible adult would---just because sex and children is a taboo subject, doesn't mean that babies aren't experimenting. What will you do if your daughter and the neighbourhood boys play "doctor"? Will you shout "RAPE" on behalf of your daughter?

If you don't find a way to make yourself more comfortable with the subject, your daughter will sense your distaste and equate it with something BAD and DIRTY...and you know what? Her sex life will suffer as an adult.

I think that you have a bit of a warped view of masturbation in general---you've admitted that you find it 'icky'. Not only that, but you've mentioned in the past that you don't have orgasms with your husband. Have you considered that you're just not comfortable with your OWN body? Think about it--you think that if you masturabate, it's 'icky', but if your husband has sex with you, that's cool.

I have news for you--if you can't orgasm yourself, don't expect anyone else to do it for you.

Getting back to the original subject matter--once again, I'll give my 2 cents---religion was invented to control the masses. There is no concrete proof that masturbation is forbidden. It's not one of the 10 commandments, so even if I'm WRONG, I know it's not anything TOO bad.

I meant to empasize in my first post that I don't condemn anyone that masturbates or think it's a sin or anything, *I* just don't understand it in *my* mind. Like I said, I have "experimented" before and will gladly masturbate for my H and incorporate toys in our sex life (and whatever the hell else) whenever we feel like it. I'm up for just about anything. It's just that when I'm alone, I'm not rushing off in some corner to get off at the slightest tingle I feel down there or whatever. And when I have masturbated, all I can think about is how stupid I look because when I have seen women in porn or movies getting themselves all worked up I think it looks rather idiotic and I assume that's how I look. I know that shouldn't matter but it hinders me because of how foolish it has appeared to me. But I do not think it is "sinful" or anything...believe me, I have engaged in many sinful things without a second thought (naughty, naughty me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) so I'm not up here preaching to anyone else about the sinful nature of their behavior or anything. And of course I know that it is no one else's responsibility to bring me to O...I don't depend on my H to bring me there, but I am still a little timid on experimenting around and being selfish during sex. I like being the giver...or always did anyway.

I guess I am a little sensitive when children are brought up or focused on in this way because of my past. Seven seems to be a little too graphic and obscene for my taste on her descriptions of sex with her H...I just think some things should be left unsaid, esp. in a place like this (never thought you'd hear me saying that, did you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) and when she brings children into her sexual discussions, it just is a little toooo much.

As far as my dd "experimenting", I know it will happen and it may be a little hard to deal with, like I said because of what I've been through. So I'll let H handle those situations. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Just for the records: there is no such word as "masterbation". The right spelling is "masturbation".

Just a little humor to lighten things up a bit:

Procrastination is like masturbation — at first it might feel great, but in the end you're just f***ing yourself.

A concerned patient asked the doctor if masturbation is harmful. "Not usually," answered the doctor. "Not unless you do it too often."
"How about three times a day?" the patient asked. "That seems a little excessive. Why don't you get a girlfriend?" "Oh,... I already
have a girlfriend," the patient replied. "I mean a girl you can live with and have sex with?" asked the doctor. The patient said, "I've
got one just like that!" So the doctor asked, "Then why do you masturbate three times a day?" "Because,... she won't have sex during
mealtimes!"

AND SINCE SOME OF US ARE HAVING TROUBLE SPELLING THE WORD, PERHAPS WE MIGHT USE THESE OTHER OPTIONS...

Fondle your flagpole
Free Willy
Frost the pastries
Frosting your maple bar
Frying up the corndog
Gallop the old lizard
Gardening with the golden trowel
Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion
Get a date with Slick Mittens
Get the German soldier marching
Get to know yourself
Get your pole varnished
Give it a tug
Give your low five
Giving the half-blind dog a run for his money
Go a couple of rounds with ol' Josh
Go blind
Go on a date with Fisty Palmer
Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela
Go the blow
Going Hans Solo on Darth Vader's head
Goose the gherkin
Grease the pipe
Greasing the three-legged cow
Hand job
Hard labor
Have one off the wrist
Helping put Mr. Kleenex's kids through college
Hitchhike to heaven
Hitchhike underneath the big top
Hitting too close to home
Hoisting your own petard
Hold the bishop
Hold the sausage hostage
Holding your own
Hone the cone
Honk your horn
Hosing down the driveway
Hotfooting it to the nearest exit
Hug the hog
Hump your hose
Investing in pork bellies
Invoking the Oscar Meyer love spell
Jack hammer
Jazz yourself
Jerk Jamby
Jerk the gherkin
Left to your own devices
Letting the cat out of the bag
Liquidating the inventory

AND FOR THE LADIES...

5 Digit Disco
Buzzing the honey hole
Backslappin' Betty
Bailing out the Gravy
Boat Beaver bashin'
Bouncing the bearded clam
Buffing the box
Buffing the jewel
Buttering up the whisker biscuit
Clam twiddlin' jamboree
Critter crammin'
Damming the beaver
Dialing "O" on the little pink telephone
Diddling miss daisy
Diggin' for clams
Digitis Erectus
Fingering the fountain
Flicking the minnow
Friday night lip service
Frosting the muffin of love
Giving yourself the finger
Going for the gooey duct
Impeaching Bush
Juicing the clam
Let your fingers do the walking
Lip smacking
Menage a'moi
Petting the kitty
Piddly Diddler
Playing the squeezebox
Pokin' the pie
Polishing the little pink pearl
Pumping the kooter
Punchin' the chipmunk
Reading in Braille
Riding the clitoris-sauras
Romancing thy own
Roughing up the suspect
Self-guided tuna boat tour
Smacking Jerry Garcia on the nose
Spanking Lucy
Stroking the newt
Ticklin' the taco
Tissue tickling
Twirling the pearl
Unbuttoning the fur coat
Warming the wrist rocket

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

<small>[ September 07, 2003, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: DevotedHusb ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Just because I don't like to think of infants and children masturbating themselves into oblivion does NOT make me a frigid prude. The same as how I don't enjoy hearing a woman my mother's age go into explicit detail about her bodily functions during sex and how much she wants to "pulse around her husband's member" or whatever. Thanks, but no thanks.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My post evoked the very response I was going for. It gave you the opportunity to "feel/see" how your comment about me (although NOT me) speaking like a molestor. Get it? You assumed I was calling you a frigid prude. But I was no more calling you that than you calling me a molestor. But by the sound of your response to my comment stated the VERY way yours was to me....you MUST HAVE BEEN calling me a molestor. Isn't reciprocation a female dog?? You have a great day hon. And I hope your troubled marriage is one day half as good as this woman your mother's age! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Also, there are MANY who find sexual detail extremely beneficial to their marriage that's failing due to SF not being met, and SAY so. If not you...that's fine. Just ignore the post. However, you think talking about a nasty RASH on your husband genitals is something folks RELISH hearing?!?!?!?! Come on MG..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

<small>[ September 07, 2003, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Seven63 ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My post evoked the very response I was going for. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I knew you were provoking me with that comment. In my post, I was mentioning what your comments *reminded* me of. It had nothing to do with you, and I clearly stated that, in what was intentioned as a very blunt way. When I said that I was not calling you a molester, I MEANT IT. Your comments (mostly the way they were put) like usual were just a little disturbing to me and I was making that known.

As far as my H's rash, I was concerned and seeking help about a somewhat medical issue that has since resolved itself. But I would like to know, how do you honestly feel that these comments would "help" a sexually starved man who is not getting enough from his own wife??

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I often LUST after my husband.....not because I love him, but because I'm at work and I have images of his nice square backside and memories of what the last orgasm felt like....pulsing around his member...
Trust me, there ARE times when hubby and I have some down and dirty, sweaty, growling, sticky, wet gutteral pump pump pump pump it up SEX! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do you think throwing in comments about how great your relationship is with God helps lessen the effect? Oh, but we can't forget about how your H also loves to whack off to your naked a** and nearly rock you off the bed with his attempts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Actually, I'm SURE your comments would help some horny, sexually starved guy- hopefully not in the way you intended though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> If your descriptions were unfortunately burned into my mind *shudder*, I can't imagine what it did to the MEN who read them- most of whom AREN'T getting enough sex at home! We really don't need to know every, gory detail of what goes on in your bed, or in the back of your car, or wherever you do it. I get enough action in my own bed, I don't need to so clearly visualize someone else's...If you only knew how much I can truly handle, you might take me a little more seriously. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> All I'm asking is for you to tone it down just a little, and believe me, I avoid when I can.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And I hope your troubled marriage is one day half as good as this woman your mother's age! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You're funny. I'll keep my mouth closed on this one though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> You have a great day too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ September 07, 2003, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: marriedgirl ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I knew you were provoking me with that comment. In my post, I was mentioning what your comments *reminded* me of. It had nothing to do with you, and I clearly stated that, in what was intentioned as a very blunt way. When I said that I was not calling you a molester, I MEANT IT. Your comments (mostly the way they were put) like usual were just a little disturbing to me and I was making that known. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I was also mentioning what your comments *remind* me of...............frigid prudes. However, I clearly stated that I was not calling YOU a frigid prude....and I MEANT it. As far as I know, you and yours have plenty sex. YOU took the comment to heart. WHY???? The same reason I did with your comment about molestors. As they were written in the same vein. Mine ONLY to get you to understand how YOURs came across. Your comments, like usual , were a little disturbing, as many people are raising daughters who internalize the same taboos throughout generations about sex, and end up in a similarly troubled marriages, lacking sexual fulfillment and insecurities......... and I was making that known.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> As far as my H's rash, I was concerned and seeking help about a somewhat medical issue that has since resolved itself. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's what DOCTORS are for. However, you chose to come to the experts here to share those details that are "unfortunately burned into my mind *shudder*.............and that's cool. That's the beauty of the board. You never know how something that might cause one to toss their cookies (like thoughts of a red-scaly penile shaft), will be a blessing to another. I'm sure images of your husband's red scaly genitals were necessary for you to..............whatever it was you were doing.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But I would like to know, how do you honestly feel that these comments would "help" a sexually starved man who is not getting enough from his own wife?? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm no sex therapist by ANY means, but sharing has helped plenty a *inhibited* woman better understand the necessity for meeting their husbands at least half way when it comes to SF. And that's LONG before I found MB. Nevertheless, the comments do exactly what they are intended to do. And that is to help the wife who might not understand the root of her husband's SF and perhaps just WHAT he's desiring vs. what she perceives he's desiring?? Can one's own lack of satisfaction with their marriage so bad they would want to shield others from hearing that there IS hope out there? Perhaps. But like with ALL who share experiences, good OR bad.....we learn and grow from them. Graphic, though they may be........the words are, and have been ministry to some. And as long as ONE can be blessed by what I say......I will keep sharing it. There are many more on the OTHER side of the fence then you are.....so as you so eloquently said in your response....."whatever". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do you think throwing in comments about how great your relationship is with God helps lessen the effect?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">HUH?!?!? Have I EVER come across as trying to lessen effect??? I think not. But it IS important for people to know that just because they have a relationship with God, it isn't a reason to feel you CAN'T fully and wholly experience SF.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Oh, but we can't forget about how your H also loves to whack off to your naked a** and nearly rock you off the bed with his attempts. Actually, I'm SURE your comments would help some horny, sexually starved guy- hopefully not in the way you intended though If your descriptions were unfortunately burned into my mind *shudder*, I can't imagine what it did to the MEN who read them- most of whom AREN'T getting enough sex at home! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The overwhelming majority of those who reply (and, yes there are many) have been from women on this board who are trying and willing to be more open with themselves....with their husbands. So the answer to your question, without hesitation is a resounding YES! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> And perhaps, some horny, sexually starved husband MIGHT just become more open to discussing and communicating his desires of his wife WITH his wife, and the two will be on their way to a more fulfilling relationship. The comments are in direct response to the direction of the threads they are posted in. When you quote my comment about LUSTING after my husband...at LEAST be sensible enough to put it in context. It's not like it was in response to "I'm Falling Out of Love with My Husband". It was in a "sex vs. making love" post.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> We really don't need to know every, gory detail of what goes on in your bed, or in the back of your car, or wherever you do it. I get enough action in my own bed, I don't need to so clearly visualize someone else's...If you only knew how much I can truly handle, you might take me a little more seriously. All I'm asking is for you to tone it down just a little, and believe me, I avoid when I can.

"Yeah I love my man too but when he zones out on the couch all day farting and playing video games while eating chips the last thing on my mind at that point is licking the chip crumbs off his lap! Maybe later that night but not then..."

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">EWW...the image etched in my head.....especially after the *details* of his hygiene! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> However, TRUST me MG....you've not heard a 10% of the details............but if you ever need help or someone to talk to..........or lessons in spicing it up....... seven63@triad.rr.com. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Which is probably where this should go from here anyway....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I'll keep my mouth closed on this one though </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good idea! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Now...that's it for the Seven and MG show. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Back to our previously scheduled programming........"masturbation and the Bible....I should know better"........

<small>[ September 07, 2003, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Seven63 ]</small>

Yack... now it's burned into my mind, too.

quote:
"(like thoughts of a red-scaly penile shaft)"

no... I'm not offended (not in the least)

but I AM thinking that this thread has just gotten really ripe for a Slapnuts input!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ilmf:
<strong>Yack... now it's burned into my mind, too.

quote:
"(like thoughts of a red-scaly penile shaft)"

no... I'm not offended (not in the least)

but I AM thinking that this thread has just gotten really ripe for a Slapnuts input!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">HA HA HA!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

http://www.layhands.com/IsMasturbationASin.htm

I think the link above does a good job at an explination of this topic and the side topics it has generated within the thread.

I found it when trying to find an article I had read by Dr. Dobson about this topic.

ILMF,

You often defer jokes (or comments on humor) to Slappy, but you do crack some good ones. I really like the way you put that one.

MG and Seven,

Lordy, Lordy...bahahaha!!! I can't help myself, that was funny. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Love you both. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

Aeri,

If my jaw wasn't flapping open and closed, I might could find something to say.

LOL.

People were invented too, you know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

You know you and I could disagree over which way the earth tilts. (((Hugs to you. I enjoy some of these comments.)))

Petals