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REWRITE SUGGESTION:

My name is BetrayedHubby75. You do not know me, but I must ask for your help in an unacceptable situation. Your 26 year old son, OM, is having an affair with my 36 year old wife, WW.

WW and I have been together for the past 6 ½ years. We have been married since November of 2006. OM and WW are former co-workers from WW's former place of employment.

WW is working and living in Texas, since June 5th. We agreed I would I stay behind until our property sold. Now I see this was a poor decision. Your son OM has recently spent over 1400 minutes talking with my wife on the phone (please see the enclosed call records). Your son has also sent or received over 800 text messages to/from my wife, WW.

I love and care for my wife WW very deeply. Your son OM is an interloper. I am fighting for my marriage and will continue to do so. Please encourage your son to end all contact with my wife WW immediately, and forever. I pray that you will greatly influence your son to do the right thing...to walk away.

If you need any contact information for your son, I can supply it.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns regarding this matter.


Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have in trying to change others.
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You expose to everyone, regardless of how you perceive the emotional stability of WW's family members. It is a consequence your WW will just have to deal with due to her affair. Exposure should be as widespread as possible, and as IMMEDIATE as possible, to have the greatest impact. She will be hard pressed to find an affair-sympathetic corner if you have already informed everyone. Even if her affair-ridden family won't influence effectively, it's annoying at least for everyone to know. Affairs do not blossom well when exposed to the light of day.

It is good to heed MEDC's words, where they apply. Your W obviously didn't want you to know about her affair. IS the plan still that you join her after selling the house (even though there are marital problems)? Or has your W told you all that has changed now? Depending on your reply, I believe you should still attack this as an affair problem - expose and continue to monitor, and fly out there to talk to her.


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You need to expose her now and tell her you are not okay with her getting a different cell phone carrier. You need to tell OM's parents that he is sending naked pictures to your WW. You need to tell them that he is going down to make a "booty call" on your WW. You need to them that you are moving down to be with her once you find a new job and sell your house. You need to tell OM not to even bother flying down.


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From michbar.org in an article entitled: Listening In: Is accessing others’ e-mail or recording their telephone conversations legal during a divorce or custody proceeding?

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Generally speaking, retrieving a spouse’s e-mail from a home or work computer is not prohibited because the e-mail is stored. Certainly, if a spouse knows the computer’s password, the other spouse has authorized access to his or her computer. An understanding of how e-mail is transmitted is necessary to grasp the basis of the courts’ rulings related to e-mail retrieval.

Sent e-mail is temporarily stored on the service provider’s server until the recipient retrieves it. E-mail is retrieved from the server after the subscriber enters a password, accesses the e-mail, and opens it. Once the e-mail is opened, it is stored on the computer’s hard drive. In the case of AOL, the e-mail is automatically stored on the computer’s hard drive in the AOL Personal File Cabinet or PFC. E-mail will remain on the PFC until manually deleted. There is usually no automatic password protection provided for the PFC. The result is that anyone can open the service provider’s software on a computer’s hard drive and read the PFC e-mails stored there.

Courts have consistently held that retrieving and accessing of e-mail stored on a computer is not a violation of ECPA or the wiretapping statutes because the ‘‘transmission’’ of the e-mail is complete, and reading stored e-mail is not an intercepted transmission. In White v White,8 White exchanged e-mails with his girlfriend that were stored on the family computer. Mrs. White hired an investigative service to obtain her husband’s e-mails from their computer. The court held that retrieving such stored e-mail did not violate the law because it was in its ‘‘post-transmission’’ storage.

Similarly, in Fraser v Nationwide Mutual Ins Co,9 the court held that a wife’s reading of her husband’s e-mail stored on his computer at work did not violate the ECPA or the state and federal wiretapping laws. The court held that an individual’s expectation of privacy with respect to such e-mail communications diminishes significantly after transmission is complete. Further, the Fraser court compared stored e-mail to saved voice mail and held that retrieval of such a communication does not violate the law because the transmission is complete at the point of retrieval and therefore no interception of the communication occurred.

Accordingly, once an e-mail has been read by the subscriber, it is no longer a protected communication that is afforded an expectation of privacy. Just as reading a letter left on a desk is permissible conduct, so is reading an opened e-mail.

The whole thing is an interesting read... FULL ARTICLE HERE

Mrs. W


FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
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That does make a lot of sense...but since this poster did NOT know the password and had to guess at it...AND, they do not live together or share a computer...it is certainly a problem. I agree that a shared computer, under the same roof, known passwords would result in no reasonable expectation of privacy.
This case is very far removed from those thresholds.

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My research is similar to the Wonderings. Felony is quite possible if mail, email or phone communication is tampered with prior to reception. Allowable proof in the pudding falls in stored communication.

Is the internet carrier a joint account? Like AOL...so same account but several screen names possible with email addresses?

Again, depending on the current understanding between poster and his W, I think he could defend (if he had to) that the separation was temporary and by agreement due to property and new job issues, and that the marriage was intact "as if" their computer was still shared.

From an MB standpoint, we've got to remember that all this secrecy started from the W's affair. She does have the option to immediately file for divorce if she wants her privacy. She has not done that, at least yet. I doubt she would file charges against her H because it would bring even more attention to her immoral actions. JMO, of course.


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I doubt she would file charges against her H because it would bring even more attention to her immoral actions. JMO, of course.

I agree with this 100%.

As for the rest, he is clearly breaking the law as it pertains to her emails(those emails are NOT stored on HIS computer)....lawyers can come up with all the fuzzy arguments they care too...but bottom line here is this guy is risking a lot for a cheating wife that no longer lives with him. And remember...HE HAD TO GUESS the password. No gray area there!

I also think he would be on the hook for stalking.

I think the biggest issue here is his wife is gone...she is living elsewhere...they have no kids....it's time to move on and get away from her....

I hope he just lets this go and finds a good woman.


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Look he is 26 yrs old horny male, there is no way you are going to talk him out of coming for his booty call!!! Especially after he has already paid for the ticket. Look..stop it now....send the info to his family, expose to those who your wife feels is important to her and see what happens. Your separation has killed your marriage and it sounds like your wife has one foot out the door already.

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I tried calling Dr. Harley to talk to him on his radio show last week...

The message said to send an e-mail and they would answer it... I sent one, and he answered:

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Hi WW,

I am currently counseling three couples where the wife is having, or has had, numerous affairs during their marriage. In each case, they had at least one affair with a married man prior to their marriage. These couples now have children together, and the wife is still having affairs. You did not mention children, so I would assume that you don't have any yet. If you do have children, I would encourage you to do whatever possible to win her back, but if you do not, I would encourage a divorce. The three husbands that I am counseling will all tell you that trying to keep their marriage together has been the most painful experience of their lives.

The fact that you made love so infrequently after marriage is a huge red flag. Something is terribly wrong with your romantic relationship. And it stands next to the red flag of your wife having an affair with a married man prior to your marriage. Her secretive and sexual texting with the man she works with, combined with these other factors tells me that if you continue with this woman, the pattern is likely to continue throughout your marriage. You'll never be able to trust her.

Under the circumstances, I'd go ahead with your plan to confront your wife and her new lover, and then ask her to make a decision. If she wants to remain married to you, she must agree to never be apart from you overnight. You should immediately move to Texas to live with her, and find a job there, even if it means leaving your home in Michigan vacant. If she can't decide, get a divorce. While I'm sure that you are in love with her, you happen to have married a woman who is much more likely to have an affair than most other women, and that will make you worry about her relationship with other men throughout your lives together, even if she enthusiastically welcomes you back now.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I know how much effort you would have to put into this marriage to keep it together, and in the end she will probably divorce you anyway.

Best wishes
Willard F. Harley, Jr.

When someone so well respected in the field of saving marriages tells me my marriage will be difficult or impossible to save, I must listen.

I am telling WW that she needs to make a choice NOW. I will tell her what I know (not how I know it). She can squirm, weasel, deny, lie, whatever... But she needs to make a choice, today. I will gladly use my flight down to pick her up and bring her back home and help her sort out her issues... Otherwise, I will use the money for the ticket (or what I can get out of it at this point) to use towards a divorce attorney.

I am also going to send the letter from Dr. Harley to OM, and tell him if he's looking for a piece of tail this weekend, by all means have at it.... If he's looking for something long-term, he should save his money and avoid the flight down there, or he's likely to deal with some major drama on her end.

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Good for you, bh.

I wouldn't send Harley's letter 2 the OM, necessarily. You might give him the gist in your own words, though. It'll mean more that way.

Mostly, I think you're being realistic about the chances with your W. It isn't impossible that she'll do a complete 2rnaround when you tell her what she must do 2 stay married 2 you. But if you follow WH's recommendations and your plan as stated, the path back for her will be narrow enough that you'll know sooner rather than later whether she's sincere.

I hope you're exposing right now.

-ol' 2long

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I am....

Just sent e-mails to:

OM,

OM's fater/mother(?)

WW's best friend

I am trying to contact WW's aunt.


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Just so you don't lose all hope, Dr. Harley told me my chances of saving my marriage were slim (young, no kids, only married for 4 years, infrequent SF, etc.), but my WW ended her affair and we are still married.


Jim

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Also, she's not likely to pick you right now, but I would at least let her know that you are going to TX next weekend and sitting across from OM so you can ruin their little weekend together.


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Don't go half way on your exposure now that it has started.

Go down and tell WW if she is to pick you she has to come back home. I would not give up a great paying job for WW at this time.

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Hi betrayedhubby,

I just wanted to wish you the best of luck. Your situation reminds me a bit of mine because WH, Mr. Gray and Slag had plans for a trip two days before I finally exposed to OWH. Well, the 2nd time I exposed to him. Didn't work the first time.

Lucky for me I was blessed with MB and they pushed me to do it that day because I was going to wait until they were gone.

I'm pullin' for ya', Dude. You are strong and you're gonna be A-OK no matter what!!

Charlotte


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10/30-BRAVE NEW WORLD! Exposure!
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Attorney totally ROCKS!!
7/17-Court again, Shiny rules!
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Talked to WW...

She was angry at me for violating her privacy (no surprise)... I told her I had read e-mails... Probably shouldn't have, but I did. She was PO'ed. I told her that I wasn't violating her privacy, but I was violating her secrecy. She called it "semantics" and didn't want to argue about it anymore.

She still claims she is going camping. I told her that I am coming down there on the 3rd. She said that she will not see me, and I will not see her. I told her that I will see her and OM at the airport. She didn't like that at all, and said she will get a restraining order against me. I told her that's fine.

I also told her I sent OM an e-mail, telling him that I know about their affair. She wasn't happy of that either, and accused me of stalking him.

She said at least 5 times, that she wants a divorce. I said, "Is that really what you want?" She said, "Right now, I don't know. I just want to be happy." I told her I want her to be happy too and that I'm willing to go to counseling to work on our issues. Every time she said she wanted a divorce, I asked her if that's what she really wanted. She'd say something like "I don't have time to talk about it now..." or "Right now, I'm not sure." or something along those lines. She said it one last time before hanging up. I asked her again, "Is that what you really want." she said, "I don't know, I have to go." I said, "All you have to say is 'yes'." and she hung up.

Afterwards, I talked to WW's aunt. She understands the situation, and is really sad that we're in this situation. She said she knows how much I love her and how much she loves me. She is going to talk to her about everything.

WW will be mad that I told her. But, I guess it's worth the shot.

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bh:

It's good that you talked 2 her now, and not wait until the 3rd. Gives her time 2 consider the consequences of her behavior.

Also, it gives you time 2 ponder what you want 2 do, based on her willingness 2 come around.

It'll be interesting 2 see if OM still flies down, now that he's been exposed.

-ol' 2long

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Interesting thing, was that I went to church the first time today in probably close to 8 years...

The message was "Relationships"...

It was about how relationships are the most important things in our lives. The story was about how Jesus helped relationships by forgiving, and giving his time.

That's how I started off the conversation with her... I told her I'm willing to forgive everything she's done, and willing to give some time to help her straighten herself out.

We will see what the outcome is...

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You are doing good. Continue staying calm.
I would not initate any contact with her now.
Wait till you get down to Texas.

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Should I talk to her if she contacts me?

Should I really be worried she's going to get a restraining order?

Do I need to be served with the restraining order before I can be arrested if I come to her property?

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