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#2102680 08/02/08 09:11 AM
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I've posted previously in the divorcing section. Short recap is that wife of 15 years came home 2 months ago on May 7th and wanted to divorce. She didn't want to try marriage counseling and said she had nothing left to give to the marriage.
Now fast forward to end of June and I heard her tell a friend that she had saw him one day and that she had planned to see him another day. I also found out she has been in contact with her ex-husband since at least last November per cell phone records.
I confronted her with my suspicious and she denied it. Then on July 2nd I discovered she had a day off and his phone number on our house phone. I started to drive towards his house but on the way I saw her coming back from that direction. On July 7th I confronted her again about my suspicious between him and her and she admitted to that yes she had been talking to him about their 2 children and that just recently she had met him twice in person and had only progressed to kissing hello and good bye.
She suddenly wanted to work on the marriage and go to a marriage counselor. She also said she was extremely sorry to me and didn't want to hurt me. So we have been to MC twice now. At the MC she told the same story about him and her and their level of the affair. She also stated that they had been discussing what caused the break up of their marriage. She said that she told him that it was over and would not meet in person again. They would only talk on the phone about the kids.
Now I just heard her tell her friend that last year they went to the beach together. She has not ever mentioned this at all.
So as much as she seems to say she wants to work on our marriage there still seems to be some skeltons in the closet. Another thing that eats at me is that since she admitted to the affair I would have thought she would be bending over backwards to reassure me that it is over. She has only said those types of words on the day she changed her mind and then at our 2nd MC session.
I find it hard to believe that in 7+ months of contact with him that in just the past month or so they just met twice and only progressed to just kissing. Now that I know they also went to the beach together last year it really makes me wonder if her story is true or not. Since I over heard this comment I haven't said anyhting yet so that I can figure out a way to bring it out without her learning how I know this information.
Am I looking for more into the story than what she has telling me? or is my wife acting like other discovered spouses?


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do not fall for her lies. I would bet the house they have had sex.


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Fran, she is lying to you. It makes no sense to believe she had an emotional affair with a man with whom she has had a sexual relationship. The problem here is that your marriage won't recover until a) she ends all contact for life with him and b) she tells you the full truth. You can't recover if she has secrets with the OM to which you are not privy.

Her story that they had no sex is ridiculous and you should tell her so. It doesn't even ring true. But if she insists, I would give her an opportunity to prove you wrong by paying for a polygraph test.

You have a right to every detail about her affair, since this this is information about your life. She has no right to withhold a single detail from you.

She is playing a dangerous game that will ruin her marriage by withholding the truth. She is much better off getting it all out in one fell swoop so your marriage can recover from ONE BLOW, rather than dragging it out a drib and a drab at a time. Your marriage will die a death of a thousand cuts that way. Every time you discover some new tidbit, and you will drag it all out eventually, you both go back to DAY 1 of recovery. You trust her less and less each time that happens and she has to relive the he11 every time. It is really stupid to play it like that.

So tell her if she wants to save your marriage, she is going about this the wrong way. Her dishonesty is bound to ruin a second marriage.

I would print up these articles and give them to her:


Requirements for Recovery

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The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

Joseph's Letter


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Fran1961,
Let me add my own experience to tell you that she is lying. My wife also told me there had been just a couple of kisses, but I finally got her to admit that they had sex. EVERYONE lies about the level of the PA. If you keep pressing her on this, she will up the lie and tell you the next thing that she thinks you will accept. Take my advice as someone who has had the truth dragged out over 1+ years now. It is agony to have it done this way.
Many people will probably suggest a polygraph.

Regarding contact, she is crazy to think that any contact with this guy will be acceptable now. You are shooting yourself in the foot if you allow it. If they have some specific reason to keep in contact, it should be handled only through an intermediary. Set your boundaries and set them now. They will be much harder to implement later.

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ex-WW had 2 PAs in first 2 years. Buh-bye.
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yeah, what melody said. And it's called the trickle truth deal.
Where the WW tells you enough to get you to shut up and not ask any more.

Sorry, but this has PA all over it in CAPITAL letters.

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Hi,

We talked about her and the EX. She still holding to the same story she has told. They just recently met 2 times. The last time was only a hello kiss and a more elaborate good bye kiss. So she says nothing else occurred. I brought up that I believe there were 2 more meetings then just these 2. Unfortunately for one of these meetings I only know she saw "HIM". Not certain who HIM is because I could only see one side of the conversation. As for the other meeting which occurred last year I heard this via a recording but I definitely know it was the EX that she was with at the beach.
My problem is trying to use this information that I don't have more specifics about to make her believe I really do have some information without giving away how I got it. So far she basically is denying that these other 2 meetings took place.
Any ideas?

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I am sure she doesn't want you to distrust her, so I would offer to pay for a polygraph. That will clear it up rather quickly and she DESERVES to be exonerated. You OWE her that GIFT.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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