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Originally Posted by Trying2live
Ok I looked on Acronyms whats PEA LOL. Sorry so new at forums.

PEA Poisoning.....
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In the first two stages of love, the chemical phenylethylamine also appears in the brain. Phenylethylamine is the "love drug" in chocolate. It helps maintain the euphoric high of falling in love. If partners break up, phenylethylamine levels plummet, causing depression and woe.

After two to five years, phenylethylamine leaves the body naturally. It's replaced by other, more stable chemicals.

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DOPED UP

Helen Fisher, a research professor of anthropology at Rutgers University , is among many scientists who believe the flush of a new love is enhanced by natural stimulants in the brain, dopamine and norepinphrine. She explains that high levels of these natural chemicals can make people lose their appetites and their desire for sleep, just by thinking about their new infatuations. 'These are basic traits commonly associated with romantic love and with these natural stimulants,' she says. 'What else could explain the way you constantly think about a person, about the way you want to read them your bad poetry?'

Further studies show that gushy romantic sensations may be similar to the highs drug addicts feel when they're under the influence. Nora Volkow; the associate director for life sciences at Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York , has analysed the behaviours of drug addicts and people in love and found striking parallels. 'When a person is passionately in love, it is extremely exciting and provocative, and if the loved one is not there, distressing,' says Volkow. 'When I see my drug addicted patients, it just clicks with me how similar the addiction is. 'The fact that drug addiction and passionate love may trigger the same responses, signals to Volkow that drug addiction is especially dangerous since it taps into a natural sensation.

and now I must go do some love bank time with Flick.
G'nite


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Wow your the info queen!

Fill that bank gurl!!!


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Most TMI!! rotflmao

Me? Heck, I can't be nominated. I lost that when the judge ordered us to work together and I had to break Plan B. Unless theirs a category for nutty fruitcake. Or fruity nutcake. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Trying2live
Originally Posted by Dancing_Machine
I dunno, lil, TMTS rocked it pretty hard!!


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Charlotte

Realllly I want to see or read her/his thread. Maybe there is something I can learn from it. Show me a link somebuddiezzzz pray

Hi T2L,

I wish I could find it for you, but I was trying to use the search feature yesterday and it would not work for me at all!!

That would be a great thread for you to read, though. I hope someone can dig it up for you. Such a GREAT story!!

Take care,

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I love your thread! I never post on it but I love reading about shiny, mr grey and co.
I think Mr grey is doing a serious rethink.
anyway, your cool, you could get 'most in to it with her lawyer award' wink

Is he married?

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No prob thanks for trying. smile


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if TMTS = "too much too soon", I bumped the threads for you, at least what I could find


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Oh wow your awesome thanks so much. I hear there's a lot I may be able to learn from the amazing Plan A.

I'm going to read it today only have 26 days til going dark gonna try to pack in as much as possible.

Only hard part is you see nothing. But onwards I go......


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Originally Posted by turtlehead
Originally Posted by Trying2live
Trying not to be bummed but I guess it's good that I at least put the offer out there.

He will run so hot and cold it will make your head spin. Whatever you do, DON'T gauge the impact of your actions by his responses. DON'T give what he says much weight at all. Just keep your Plan A close and stick to it. It is making an impression on him, even if he doesn't show that or even realize it himself yet.

Others on MB have said:
You need to be the Thermostat, not the Thermometer. In other words, he will run hot and cold, but if you are a Thermometer you will react to that. You have to be the Thermostat: Setting the temperature and let him react to you.

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Ok that makes sense will do. Set the temp.

So son had a breakdown last night after dad left. H called back to talk with son but he wouldn't get on the phone. DD17 talked to him this morning and asked how son 9 was. DD17 says well he's pretty upset but he's starting therapy group today so maybe that will help him. H says I doubt it's going to help him he wants me back. DD17 says yup. DD17 says the whole time he kept sighing. Sounds like he is finally for the love of God feeling what my children have been suffering through. At first he kept thinking I was exaggerating and not being honest. HE has no clue the depth of pain he' caused the kids but hopefully it's starting to sink in.


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Another way I've seen the thermostat concept phrased is this:
Be the lighthouse.

Dont' be the ships out at sea, floundering and blowing every which way the wind blows. Be the lighthouse, rock steady, regardless of how the ships act.

There used to be a popular thread that was posted from time to time about being the lighthouse, but search is broken so I can't find it frown

But you get the general idea. Imagine what I said, but longer and eloquent laugh

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We should start an office pool for how long (or short) your Plan B is going to wind up being.

This is going so well! Trust me on this.


A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
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Originally Posted by Neak
This is going so well! Trust me on this.

Agreed.


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Really gosh I hope so. Feels like forever and seeing him so much makes me miss him lots.

Ya know what else I forgot to mention to you guys he kinda a creature of habit. He always hated being in between places. Like if we were on vacation and he wasn't home but he had left vacation destination he hated that. He either wanted to be on vacation or home.

So yes start an office pool and I hope your all right. I'm gonna update tonight if he ends up coming over. So wish he'd get his head on before Plan B but i guess that's everyone's wish.


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Hey you guys, I wanna ask ya this. So i've read so many books on this topic. A lot of them say to stop saying I love you and all the reasons why you shouldn't which makes a lot of sense.

But now that he is calming down a bit how should I sign my emails? Most of our communication is via email as I think unless he's here at the house he's not comfortable talking on the phone with me yet or OW is around. Who knows. But ya think I can sign off love you or not yet? Right now I just say have a great day.

What do you all think?


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Originally Posted by Trying2live
Hey you guys, I wanna ask ya this. So i've read so many books on this topic. A lot of them say to stop saying I love you and all the reasons why you shouldn't which makes a lot of sense.

Can you explain that? Why not say "I love you" or express your love for the other person?

I think I need to start my own thread for this phase of my relationship....


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Hey I like to take chances, put me down for you don't have to go to PB at all, he comes home before Halloween!

About how to sign off on emails, my H signs all his emails to me this way:

*hug*

OMG does that mean I'm cheating on him when I say *hugs* to y'all here?

Anyway it seems like something like that is ambiguous enough and yet not cold or stiff. Oh yes, with other people he signs off this way:

*wave*


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Well some of the books I've read suggest that the walk away may think like this, when you say I love you:

Yeah right what she he/she want now. She's just saying that so I wont leave or so I will come back. She's trying to manipulate me. How can she love me when I just cheated on her. Hey this is cool I have two of them waiting for me. What is she trying to say when she says that. How am I supposed to respond to that, say I love you too? I hate it when she says that it really makes her unattractive.


So that's why I ask if I should say I love you. But I do like the hugs idea.


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I'm gonna start writing my PBL.

What are some of the conditions you would suggest having every Walk away meet hands down?

Also if you think your H is possibly a high functioning alcoholic would you write a no alcohol clause? I don't want to be his parent but think the alcohol may have played a part in it. He told me on discovery day that the reason he drank was to kill the guilt and the more the drank the less he felt for me and the more he felt for her.

So everyone tell me some things you would include in PBL or some things others have regretted not putting in.


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Also if you think your H is possibly a high functioning alcoholic would you write a no alcohol clause? I don't want to be his parent but think the alcohol may have played a part in it. He told me on discovery day that the reason he drank was to kill the guilt and the more the drank the less he felt for me and the more he felt for her.

well you could but Flick did the same. Personally I thought it was bollocks then, and havent changed my mind. What do you think? Don't listen to potential fogbabble. Below is a bit of one of his letters to me in the first couple of weeks post D=day
Originally Posted by very wh flick
I have become increasingly of the opinion that my
Online gambling
Pornography
Lack of application to xxxxxxxxxxxxx jobs
"Mistreatment" of you
Drinking alone
Excesive spending
And on and on the list goes
Have all been (in part at least) symptoms of a less than brilliant relationship/friendship. Hey I'm not trying to say I'm perfect, if I was I would have seen this ages ago.

see what I mean?
He hasnt shown any inclination towards any of those things in recovery.


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