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AGG: About this line and Licensing: Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a doctor or a truck driver to talk about their trouble starting a business... I think lack of a license would be a problem. Most licenses issued by the government have no bearing on your qualifications and/or skills. Most are stictly revenue raisers. I disagree. A license has a direct indication of your qualifications. It does not mean that a person without a license cannot do the job, but it certainly means that a person with a license has demonstrated that he can do the job. I would not want an unlicensed doctor to be working on me. AGG
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Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a.. No one brought Joe forward. Wow, all I heard from McCain at the debate was "Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber, ..." Did my ears deceive me? AGG
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AGG: About this line and Licensing: Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a doctor or a truck driver to talk about their trouble starting a business... I think lack of a license would be a problem. Most licenses issued by the government have no bearing on your qualifications and/or skills. Most are stictly revenue raisers. I disagree. A license has a direct indication of your qualifications. It does not mean that a person without a license cannot do the job, but it certainly means that a person with a license has demonstrated that he can do the job. I would not want an unlicensed doctor to be working on me. AGG Do you need to have a license to ask a candidate a question?
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AGG: You stated this: I would not want an unlicensed doctor to be working on me. I agree with you. I wouldn't want an unlicensed Dr. working on me either. But an "unlicensed" plumber is a different story. This plumber may be able to do a bang up job fixing your household pipes, but don't put him into a Hotel. He doesn't have a clue how to fix those systems. And, you CAN be a "plumber" and never get licensed. There are certain restrictions depending on location of where you are working, but if you not generating the invoice, and someone else is, and that person is licensed, then IT DOESN'T matter. It's like saying you have to be an engineer to work on the assembly line. You could just be the guy showing up every day, doing your job, and someone else takes care of the bills, and payroll.
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But an "unlicensed" plumber is a different story. It is, agreed. The risk of a mistake is lower. But having seen some of the exams required to become a licensed contractor, I do believe that it is a useful way to separate the amateurs from the pros. AGG
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The way the left has gone after a private citizen for asking a question of a Presidential candidate, is disgusting.
The oppo research on him is irrelevant to me, but I say fair play. You live by the hackery, you die by the hackery.
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Citizens everywhere should BEWARE. You could be next for asking a question of a democrat candidate. The Left declares war on Joe the Plumber by Michelle Malkin Creators Syndicate Copyright 2008 Six-term Sen. Joe Biden’s got some nerve going after citizen Joe the Plumber. But the entrenched politician from Delaware, who fancies himself the nation’s number one Ordinary Joe, had no choice. Obama-Biden simply can’t tolerate an outspoken citizen successfully painting the Democratic ticket as socialist overlords. And so a dirty, desperate war against Joe Wurzelbacher is on. The Left’s political plumbers are attacking the messenger, rummaging through his personal life, and predictably wielding the race card once again. It’s standard operating procedure for the Obama thug machine. Wurzelbacher, in case you’ve been in hibernation, is the small businessman from Ohio who questioned Obama this weekend about his tax plan during a Toledo campaign swing. The revealing exchange was caught on tape and broadcast widely across the Internet and TV airwaves. In response to Joe’s question about why he should be “taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” Obama sermonized that Wurzelbacher needed to “spread the wealth around” because “it’s good for everybody.” John McCain flung that chilling Marxist mantra back in Obama’s face during Wednesday night’s presidential debate and repeatedly cited Joe the Plumber’s plight. Obama squirmed. The dirt-diggers started Googling. And the next morning, six-term Sen. Biden launched the first salvo against the Ohio entrepreneur on NBC’s Today Show, challenging the veracity of his story: “I don’t have any ‘Joe the Plumbers’ in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year.” Under an Obama-Biden administration, they’ll make sure no Joe The Plumbers ever earn such a salary. “It’s good for everybody,” don’t you know? Biden, as is so often the case, twisted the facts about Wurzelbacher. No surprise there. Slick Joe is the one who tells fables about visiting a diner in Delaware that hasn’t been open in years; spins yarns about getting “forced down” in a helicopter over Afghanistan because of perilous conditions that turned out to be weather-related, not al Qaeda-related; and continues to slander the family of the man involved in his wife and daughter’s fatal car accident (crash investigators cleared the now-deceased driver of drunk-driving, despite Biden’s insinuations). But I digress. Wurzelbacher never claimed to be making $250,000 a year. He told Obama that he might be “getting ready to buy a company that makes about $250,000, $270,000″ a year. His simple point was that Obama’s punitive tax proposals would make it more difficult to realize his dream. Obama’s followers couldn’t handle the incontrovertible truth. Left-wing blogs immediately went to work, blaring headlines like “Not A Real $250k Plumber!” Next, they falsely accused Wurzelbacher of not being registered to vote (he’s registered in Lucas County, Ohio, and voted as a Republican in this year’s primary). Next, they called him a liar for identifying himself as undecided. Only registered Democrats and fake Republican tools used in mainstream media stories and YouTube debates are allowed to use that label, you see. Next, award-winning liberal blogger Joshua Marshall cast Wurzelbacher as some kind of rabid freak for calling Social Security a “joke” – as if no working-class Americans could believe that the federal government’s entitlement programs were a rip-off unless they were bought and paid for by the McCain campaign. Then, suddenly, the journalists who wouldn’t lift a finger to investigate Barack Obama’s longtime relationships with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright sprang into action rifling through citizen Joe Wurzelbacher’s tax records. Politico.com reported breathlessly: “Samuel J. Wurzelbacher has a lien placed against him to the tune of $1,182.92. The lien is dated from January of ‘07.” Press outlets probed his divorce records. The local plumbers’ union, which has endorsed Obama, claimed he didn’t do their required apprenticeship work and didn’t have a license to work outside his local township. Hang him! After Wurzelbacher told Katie Couric that Obama’s rhetorical tap dance was “almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr.,” the inevitable cries of “bigotry” followed. (There are now tens of thousands of hits on the Internet for “Joe the Plumber racist.”) Welcome to Joe the Plumber Derangement Syndrome. If you can’t beat him, smear him. It’s the Obama way.http://michellemalkin.com/
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What I found interesting was the way that Obama talked about people like "Joe the plumber" today.
He said to someone "How many Plumbers do you know that make over $250k?" LAUGH....JOKE!!!
Hey Barrack....."How many Plumbers to you know PERIOD ??
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Hey Barrack....."How many Plumbers to you know PERIOD ?? His FIL was a blue collar worker who continued to work to support his family despite being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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What I found interesting was the way that Obama talked about people like "Joe the plumber" today.
He said to someone "How many Plumbers do you know that make over $250k?" LAUGH....JOKE!!!
Hey Barrack....."How many Plumbers to you know PERIOD ?? Why do you ask? McCain and his mistress have far more money than the Obamas, and are at least as "elistist".
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Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a.. No one brought Joe forward. Wow, all I heard from McCain at the debate was "Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber, ..." Did my ears deceive me? AGG Maybe it *ahem* kill him *ahem* was never said.
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I wonder how all of you Liberals would feel if you made over that $250K mark?!?!? I wonder how my Aunt would feel if she sprouted gonads and became my uncle? Well, unless your aunt is half male now or taking male hormones there's not much chance of that happening now is there?? Here's a thought Krazy.....How about just ONCE try answering a question with an intellent answer instead of stupid sarcasm.
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I wonder how all of you Liberals would feel if you made over that $250K mark?!?!? I wonder how my Aunt would feel if she sprouted gonads and became my uncle? Well, unless your aunt is half male now or taking male hormones there's not much chance of that happening now is there?? Here's a thought Krazy.....How about just ONCE try answering a question with an intellent answer instead of stupid sarcasm. he can't. His Aunt has his balls.
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Okay folks.
Lets get this thread back to it's original topic PLEASE.
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Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a doctor or a truck driver to talk about their trouble starting a business... I think lack of a license would be a problem. I can tell by the way you are talking, you have NO dealings with the WORKING CLASS do you? No plumbers, no HVAC mechanics, no sheetrockers, etc!! There is a HUGE difference between an unlicensed Doctor and an unlicensed plumber. Not even in the same ballfield, heck...not even in the same universe. It's not his property taxes I am talking about, JoJo. I am talking about the complaints about poor Joe the Plumber being overtaxed, where in fact he is nowhere near the bracket of interest. You really need to get off the computer and listen to what Joe said. He said that IF I WAS TO BUY A BUSINESS THAT MADE MORE THAN $250K, IT WOULD NOT FULL UNDER YOUR TAX PLAN, THEREFORE COSTING MORE IN TAXES I don't have any liberal friends, but speaking for myself, the answer is yes. Though I am not sure what the point here is. I'm in awe of you....Liberal and PERFECT!! Speaking for myself, there has been time that my "Bills" have not been paid on time. IN fact there was a time when we were close to bankruptcy, where you're in a situation of Feed the Kids and pay the mortgage or pay the personal property tax. Since I WILL NOT live off the government, we feed the kids and paid the mortgage and the PP tax waited until we could afford it. Not all of us have perfect payment history.... SORRY!! No spin. I am just saying that his earnings are well below the $250,000 level that he previously claimed would cost him in higher taxes under Obama's economic plan. AGAIN....HE NEVER SAID that he EARNED over $250K. He said he wanted to buy a business that earned over $250K My goodness....it's like talking to 3 year olds around here somethings  ]
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Here's a thought Krazy.....How about just ONCE try answering a question with an intellent answer instead of stupid sarcasm. Then stop asking stupid questions.
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I wonder how all of you Liberals would feel if you made over that $250K mark?!?!? I wonder how my Aunt would feel if she sprouted gonads and became my uncle? Well, unless your aunt is half male now or taking male hormones there's not much chance of that happening now is there?? Here's a thought Krazy.....How about just ONCE try answering a question with an intellent answer instead of stupid sarcasm. he can't. His Aunt has his balls. Nice attempt at wit. Did OM teach you that?
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Here's a thought Krazy.....How about just ONCE try answering a question with an intellent answer instead of stupid sarcasm. Then stop asking stupid questions. How would you feel about Obama's tax plan if you made over $250K You think that is a STUPID QUESTION??? Anybody out there that makes over $250K think that is a stupid question??
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WARNING
ENOUGH!!!!!!!
No more personal attacks!
Let's try a:
***THREAD RESET***
If the topic of this thread can't be respectfully discussed, then the thread WILL be locked.
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There's NO NEED to be MEAN and NASTY with personal attacks. NO ONE is attacking you personnaly nor bringing up your marriage!  If you can't play nice, take your toys and leave the sandbox. 
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