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Another post from "Sarah P" to McCain supporters:

"I was going to write a long response to validate and defend myself, but I just don’t feel that its necessary. I am sorry some feel offended by my post. I have no shame or guilt, we all have careers but don’t necessarily agree with the boss. My duties are so benign and clerical that I don’t have a hand in what I feel is a “game”. The “game” as I see it is much like a play on vanity, its a ruffle up your feathers to appear larger kind of game. The campaign is now nearing 1 billion dollars, a 1 billion dollar campaign. Can you imagine, if 1 little girl came forth and tried to take on that kind of establishment. I am not the person for that, and its not possible for me to do without implosion. I am not sure I can offer much up that would take notice in the MSM and get reported. My story would not make news, its not newsworthy. Its not illegal, the ideas I am suggesting. Its smoke and mirrors, sure. Its playing with emotions, absolutely. But, to the masses and to the pundits it would be viewed as “campaigning” and you would be told that it was just Obama being the “better” campaigner.

The truth is simple. The idea is to appear as a winner. To deflate your opponent. To overwhelm your opponent. To confuse your opponent. And to own the airwaves. There was a mass coordination on foreigners to visit online sites and vote to declare who won in the debates. Did you notice that John Mccain seemed to lose and lose badly every time. Where did all those voters come from?

I could explain more, but my point wasn’t to dissect and draw this into a debate. My point was simple, never in my wildest dreams would I have ever considered myself a person who would vote for a “repug” as some like to call them. I have been involved in two elections and voted twice now. Straight democrat. I now see the truth, and the truth is to vote for what is best for our country. Vote not on emotion and don’t lose yourself to a game of mirrors. This election is down to a candidate that wants to win for his own desires and down to a candidate that wants to win for the country. Don’t allow yourself to be told what is right by anyone, review the facts, take a long good look at the candidate and decide what you believe is the right choice for us, for everyone in the united states. Your vote is your vote. Don’t allow a massive machine to feed you the answer.

I wrote the initial post to tell everyone to remain calm, stay firm in your convictions, vote with your heart don’t let the news and polls keep you and your will down. The news channels, the advertisements, the polls, are not the truth. They are not the truth. The truth is inside the people. Don’t be discouraged, and don’t give up.

And please, just ignore any oppositional voice on any forum, youtube, etc. Ask yourself one question, would there really be this much activity and opposition all on its own? Or were they sent, was this their mission? What seems more plausible?

How about the polls, how were the skewed? Take a look at the internals, always. But, above that think about something. How wold a polling company get paid? How would this be a viable business just on its own? They get paid by networks, ever notice how every two hours there is a pollster being interviewed and talking about his polls. Ever notice, the polls one day will have Barack Obama leading by 12, then the next day leading by 5, then the next day up to 8. How is that possible? Think about just one poll, that has Barack up 13 points, how badly would that destroy the average? Don’t you think it would be pretty easy to put together a few Pollsters to stick a few high polls up to throw off the average? This then makes other pollsters question their techniques, then they question the electorate and devise some kind of formula. They see their numbers as say Barack Obama up by 3, but they see another poll with Barack Obama up 13. They then formulate that there is problem, maybe some truth in the 13 poll, but that its overly exaggerated and that their poll is maybe too conservative so they then take their 3 and bump it up to say a 5-6. Its to split the difference, and the thought is that John Mccain doesn’t have the enthusiasm that Barack Obama does, so they give a weight adjustment that favors the democrat.

Lets just keep this simple, the race is 2-3 points in favor of Barack Obama. This is the internal truth. However, there is strong internal fear that there is no more votes left for him to pick up. Currently we see him at only 46% of the vote. Maybe 48% maximum.

If that wasn’t the truth, if all the polls were correct. Then why would there be a need for a 30 minute spot on all the networks. The goal from now and until next tuesday is to pick up 2 more percentage points. That is the goal. That is what the campaign is working on right now. That is the focus.

All the polls will all end up being around 3 point difference come monday. There will be a few rogue polls who will stick to their inflated numbers to help as that is their job, to help. but most will show it a 3 point race come monday.

The winner will be based on turnout, thats the secret, thats why you have seen so much opposition."

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Originally Posted by Sarah P
I was going to write a long response to validate and defend myself, but I just don’t feel that its necessary. I am sorry some feel offended by my post. I have no shame or guilt, we all have careers but don’t necessarily agree with the boss. My duties are so benign and clerical that I don’t have a hand in what I feel is a “game”. The “game” as I see it is much like a play on vanity, its a ruffle up your feathers to appear larger kind of game. The campaign is now nearing 1 billion dollars, a 1 billion dollar campaign. Can you imagine, if 1 little girl came forth and tried to take on that kind of establishment. I am not the person for that, and its not possible for me to do without implosion. I am not sure I can offer much up that would take notice in the MSM and get reported. My story would not make news, its not newsworthy.

So let's post as an anonymous user to feed the conspiracy theorist's delusions that "see they really are cheating the election."

Originally Posted by Sarah P
The truth is simple. The idea is to appear as a winner. To deflate your opponent. To overwhelm your opponent. To confuse your opponent. And to own the airwaves. There was a mass coordination on foreigners to visit online sites and vote to declare who won in the debates. Did you notice that John Mccain seemed to lose and lose badly every time. Where did all those voters come from?

Nice try...give it up. Internet polls can be easily programmed to drop foreign IP addresses. Furthermore, the polls reflected McCain's performance because he DID lose all 3 debates.

Originally Posted by Sarah P
I could explain more, but my point wasn’t to dissect and draw this into a debate. My point was simple, never in my wildest dreams would I have ever considered myself a person who would vote for a “repug” as some like to call them. I have been involved in two elections and voted twice now. Straight democrat. I now see the truth, and the truth is to vote for what is best for our country. Vote not on emotion and don’t lose yourself to a game of mirrors. This election is down to a candidate that wants to win for his own desires and down to a candidate that wants to win for the country. Don’t allow yourself to be told what is right by anyone, review the facts, take a long good look at the candidate and decide what you believe is the right choice for us, for everyone in the united states. Your vote is your vote. Don’t allow a massive machine to feed you the answer.

Please don't vote for those evil Democrats. Obama's plans are better, his advisors are better, his decision making has been better, his campaigning has been better. In short, he's winning because he should be and no amount of smear tactics will change that this time.

Originally Posted by Sarah P
And please, just ignore any oppositional voice on any forum, youtube, etc. Ask yourself one question, would there really be this much activity and opposition all on its own? Or were they sent, was this their mission? What seems more plausible?

After 2 stolen elections by the worst president in history, Mr. 22%, you bet there would be this much opposition and rightfully so.

Originally Posted by Sarah P
If that wasn’t the truth, if all the polls were correct. Then why would there be a need for a 30 minute spot on all the networks. The goal from now and until next tuesday is to pick up 2 more percentage points. That is the goal. That is what the campaign is working on right now. That is the focus.

Because Obama is bound to spend all the money raised for his campaign on the campaign. If you have the resources to further your lead the question would be why not? I'm seriously, the goal is to WIN the election is it not? To put it as my uncle used to say "When there down...stomp on them."

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Well here's something that everyone needs to consider:

Obama is outspending McCain 3 to 1.

Voter Fraud is PROVEN - rampant in key states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida...

Obama is contributing to legal counsel to hold off investigation of this voter fraud until after the election.

Obama broke his promise on campaign spending sources. And is reaping the financial windfall of that broken promise to tie up simultaneously all the networks for his campaign infomercial.

Yet for all the spending and cheating going on, Obama can only eek out a few extra points ahead of McCain in the polls.

If he were truly a quality candidate with a quality agenda (which this republican had hoped he was 10 months ago) it would be a landslide at this point.

Once I found out what he stood for (from his own words, not what people say about him) he's scarier than Kerry.

He's truly banking on the stupidity of the American People. His campaign promises will take a Chapter 13 economy to Chapter 7. Socialism or worse, here we come!


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So let's post as an anonymous user to feed the conspiracy theorist's delusions that "see they really are cheating the election."

Although, there's plenty of evidence that shows Obama is cheating/and has cheated, "Sarah" hasn't accused Obama of it.

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Internet polls can be easily programmed to drop foreign IP addresses.

Doesn't mean they were.

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If you have the resources to further your lead the question would be why not? I'm seriously, the goal is to WIN the election is it not?

Of course it is. He should be in it to win it.

What "Sarah" is exposing is how much of Obama's campaign is a head game, a fake out....most of it.

Good to know.

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btw, several newpapers that have endorsed McCain were summarily KICKED OFF Obama's press plane today. Off the plane
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Obama spokesman Bill Burton confirms Drudge's report that two right-leaning papers, the Washington Times and the New York Post, have lost their seats on the Obama plane, along with the Dallas Morning News.

God help that Obama campaign worker who is posting on hillbuzz when they find out who she is. They will destroy her as they are Joe the Plumber.

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Monday, October 13, 2008
BARONE: The coming liberal thugocracy
Michael Barone
COMMENTARY:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Actually, Obama supporters are doing a lot more than getting into people's faces. They seem determined to shut people up.

That's what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign e-mails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg's WGN radio program in Chicago. Mr. Kurtz had been researching Mr. Obama's relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago - papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN's phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest e-mails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Mr. Rosenberg's example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Mr. Obama that were "false." I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-'02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama's ties to Mr. Ayers.

These attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals. Congressional Democrats sought to reimpose the "fairness doctrine" on broadcasters, which until it was repealed in the 1980s required equal time for different points of view. The motive was plain: to shut down the one conservative-leaning communications medium, talk radio. Liberal talk-show hosts have mostly failed to draw audiences, and many liberals can't abide having citizens hear contrary views.

To their credit, some liberal old-timers - like House Appropriations Chairman David Obey - voted against the "fairness doctrine," in line with their longstanding support of free speech. But you can expect the "fairness doctrine" to get another vote if Barack Obama wins and Democrats increase their congressional majorities.

Corporate liberals have done their share in shutting down anti-liberal speech, too. "Saturday Night Live" ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Mr. Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.

Then there's the Democrats' "card check" legislation that would abolish secret ballot elections in determining whether employees are represented by unions. The unions' strategy is obvious: Send a few thugs over to employees' homes - we know where you live - and get them to sign cards that will trigger a union victory without giving employers a chance to be heard.

Once upon a time, liberals prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. Union organizers in the 1930s and 1940s made the case that they should have access to employees to speak freely to them, and union leaders like George Meany and Walter Reuther were ardent defenders of the First Amendment.

Today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from other quarters. Specifically, from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that once prided themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

Obama supporters who found the campuses congenial and Mr. Obama himself, who has chosen to live all his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech they don't like and seem utterly oblivious to claims this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, we have seen the coming of the Obama thugocracy, suppressing free speech, and we may see its flourishing in the four or eight years ahead.
• Michael Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/


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Originally Posted by Want2Stay
Please don't vote for those evil Democrats. Obama's plans are better, his advisors are better, his decision making has been better, his campaigning has been better. In short, he's winning because he should be and no amount of smear tactics will change that this time.

Then why the hysterical push to cover up his record and destroy anyone who questions him or tries to examine his record? Anyone who questions or examines his record is trashed and maligned and the questions never get answered. Just look at what these thugs did to Joe the Plumber? Why in the world would this voter be trashed for asking Obama a question? Why is he being mocked and sneered at by democrats? We have Ohio state officials [democrats] using govt resources to DIG UP DIRT on this man. If that is not an eggregious abuse of power I don't know what is. These ppl are nothing more than a band of THUGS who are too dangerous to be trusted in positions of power.


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btw, several newpapers that have endorsed McCain were summarily KICKED OFF Obama's press plane today. Off the plane

I read the link. It also mentioned that
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So maybe this is standard operating procedure for candidates? And I didn't know that Joe Klein was that liberal; he really skewered Clinton in his book, Primary Colors.

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This is what happens to you when you question The One:

The Columbus Dispatch
Checks on 'Joe' more extensive than first acknowledged
Tax, welfare info also sought on McCain ally
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:05 PM
By Randy Ludlow

A state agency has revealed that its checks of computer systems for potential information on "Joe the Plumber" were more extensive than it first acknowledged.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, disclosed today that computer inquiries on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher were not restricted to a child-support system.

The agency also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes, she wrote.

Jones-Kelley made the revelations in a letter to Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris, R-Ashland, who demanded answers on why state officials checked out Wurzelbacher.

Harris called the multiple records checks "questionable" and said he awaits more answers. "It's kind of like Big Brother is looking in your pocket," he said.

The administration of Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland has said the information was not improperly shared and that there were no political motives behind the checks.

The Dispatch has uncovered four uses of state computer systems to access personal information on Wurzelbacher, including the child-support check authorized by Jones-Kelley.

She said on Monday that her department frequently runs checks for any unpaid child support obligations "when someone is thrust quickly into the public spotlight."

Republican legislators have challenged Jones-Kelley's reason for checking on Wurzelbacher as "frightening" and flimsy.

Jones-Kelly also has denied any connections between the computer checks on Wurzelbacher and her support for Obama. She donated the maximum $2,500 this year to the Obama campaign.

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Originally Posted by penaltykill
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McCain barred liberal columnists Maureen Dowd and Joe Klein from his campaign plane

So maybe this is standard operating procedure for candidates? And I didn't know that Joe Klein was that liberal; he really skewered Clinton in his book, Primary Colors.

Those are columnists, though. They do not routinely get seats. The major newspapers do. The NY Times was not kicked off his plane. I didn't know that Klein was a liberal either.


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I don't want you guys to think I am being mean when I ask this. You have obviously made up your minds about what you are doing as far as this election is concerned. Why do you guys keep debating the issues? Inquiring minds want to know. What are you all hoping to accomplish?


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Originally Posted by DIG
I don't want you guys to think I am being mean when I ask this. You have obviously made up your minds about what you are doing as far as this election is concerned. Why do you guys keep debating the issues? Inquiring minds want to know. What are you all hoping to accomplish?

DIG, what are you hoping to accomplish with posts like this? If you feel it is a waste of time to discuss the issues, why not do something you believe is productive and stop reading here? I see nothing productive coming from your posts like this.

What are YOU hoping to accomplish?


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What I am hoping to accomplish by my previous post is to get an answer. I mean how long has this back and forth been going? Are you planning to answer or just answering my question with a question?

Also I didn't state anywhere in my post I thought what you all are doing is a waste of time. I only asked what is the point of it. Plain and simple as that. Nothing more,Nothing less.

The reason I ask the question is this. If we all know what we are trying accomplish we can all try and reach the goal together. In order to that we need to know what is the goal.


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Republicans calling the democrats "thugs"...

Now that's rich.

Hello pot.

Attorney General Gonzalez's office, K Street gang, and thousands of other examples. George Bush has been the most press adverse president ever. Worse than being kicked off the plane...they were simply denied any and all information.


As far as Joe the Plumber...he'll be fine. Ironically, he's going to actually end up making more than $250,000 this year (before Obama or McCain raise the rates on high income earners) on book deals and personal appearances. He's laughing all the way to the bank and all for asking a conjured up question that really didn't apply to him and getting a full straight answer (when you view the entire echange) which has been "spun" by Republicans based upon one phrase.

If Obama's plan is "redistributing the wealth" than so is McCains(or, even worse, maybe McCain's will end up the same as Bush's plan..."redistribute our future wealth")

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Originally Posted by DIG
What I am hoping to accomplish by my previous post is to get an answer. I mean how long has this back and forth been going? Are you planning to answer or just answering my question with a question?

DIG, if you expect other posters to justify themselves to you, then you have an obligation to JUSTIFY yourself to them and explain what you hope to accomplish with posts like this.

I would like an answer please.

What do YOU hope to accomplish with posts like this?


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I believe I have answered your question Mel. I want to know what goal are we all shooting for so we know how to get there. So I hope this appeases you. If not I don't know what else you may want to hear and since I can't read minds I would love to know your answer. So spill already.


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Originally Posted by MrWondering
As far as Joe the Plumber...he'll be fine.

I see, so you have no objection to state employees, corrupt democrats, abusing their power to dig up dirt on a private citizen in order to try and ruin his reputation to win an election? I guess I am not surprised...

Citizens should beware this is what you face too if you ask an unpleasant question of Obama and his thugs.


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Originally Posted by DIG
I believe I have answered your question Mel. I want to know what goal are we all shooting for so we know how to get there.

No, I have seen no answer, DIG. Saying you "want an answer" is not an answer, but nonsense. Please explain what you hope to accomplish with posts like this?


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DIG, this is not an answer to my question:

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What I am hoping to accomplish by my previous post is to get an answer.

Please answer my question. What are you hoping to accomplish with posts like this?


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Ok I will say it once again. If we know what we are trying to accomplish then we can working on that goal. I feel like Dr. Nathan Waldman on a Long Kiss goodnight. When he was watching the old lady's dog lick his butt. He said your dog has been licking his butt for the last 10 mins. Whatever was there is gone for good or there to stay so why is he still licking it?


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I never gave my opinion on any of the issues when I asked the question. I didn't say anything about the post at all other than to ask what is trying to be accomplished.


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