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Originally Posted by bigkahuna
Way too many people will not insist their WS is contrite and broken before agreeing to recover the marriage.

Far too few marriages really recover and often it is because the BS will take whatever crumbs are offered out of fear or for whatever reason.

Some BS's will eat all manner of crap just to keep the family intact. Some may even see that as noble. Bt those people become quite bitter and cynical eventually.

This is sooooo true!!! In fact it would be interesting to see how many Plan Aers who didn't make SURE the WW was broken are truly happy. IMO in most cases it's neccessary to be in a Plan B situation to ensure the WS is completely broken and agrees to all of you conditions.


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There is one currently on the board who is settling for a WW who has agreed to take things day by day......a reciepe for disaster


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Originally Posted by Gineva
Now, though, the problem is....I have had 4 affairs since finding out about his 3!

You a serial cheater???? Surely not!!!!!!!!!! rotflmao


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Originally Posted by MrsWondering
Don't you have a couple of difficult cats to corral rprynne? stickout

Indeed I do. smile

Merry Christmas to you and Mr. W.


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Some times, I think "manliness" is what gets them into this predicament.

not me. A "man" does not let his partner trample over over him in a fashion that I have seen many so called recovered men on this site do on a regular basis. Add those men that sit back month after month...year after year while their wives disrespect them with yet another OM...or maybe the same one as before.

I agree that we see many men on this forum acting weak and afraid. I just don't think that many men are weak and afraid. (You may disagree on that.) I think there are other drivers to this behavior (drivers other than fear and weakness). I say that because I don't think the average guy walks willingly into a weak and submissive position.


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Hello everyone, this is a mindstorm as we all know.

Thank you to every single contributor.
Your opinions, thoughts & statements of fact are very helpful to me personally, & I appreciate them.

I've been digesting a lot of stuff from this & other threads specifically to people who've experienced multiple affairs.

I have not come to an experinced conculusion for myself yet.

My decision has to be based on my own willingness to invest completely (I did not before), & that my spouse has the strength, ability & inner goal to do the same & actually do it.

For that I wanted to see had anyone else actually walked this journey & came out united with a better relationship long term.

Then the actual 'how process' would be the next step.

A lot to weigh up.
My gut says do what ever I can & some.
My conscience says don't be fooled.

Still digesting this all this knowledge.

Thank you.


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Actual People Living beyond serial cheating:

"I believe the my husband changed himself...I believe he finally 'got it'. He had (at least) 3 affairs " Trix. ( MB 6 yrs)

"he can't even remember how many....he did change." TryingToLetItGo (4-2007 H moved back in for good).


In between re serial cheating - down to the individual recovery taken.

"Serial cheaters will mostly continue their pattern to cheat.Of course, many DO recover from these things, but I think it takes a lifelong recovery program." Believer yes/no. (MB 03)

"I'd say most cheaters do not change, though. Some , apparently do." Zelmo (MB 08)

"with respect to single A's... Seems reasonable to me to conclude they can "change" back, or reverse their changes." "Now, this may very well be the case with serial cheaters." Rprnne (MB 05)- (costs/benefits analysis)

"Do cheaters heal? Perhaps the odd one truly does, but I suspect most simply learn not to shoplift, or at least not to get caught. " Tabby1 (MB 07)

NO
Jim/jmwc95 in recovery says No.
medc using MB since 05, says No.
Aphelion using MB since 04, says No.

MyRevelation not sure you'd give a serial cheater a chance "I agree with nearly every word" of Aphelions & he's absolutely a No. (MB 07)


Advocates for Change

"A serial cheater can change with alot of very hard work and by taking EXTRAORDINARY PRECAUTIONS to avoid tempting situations." ..."THANK GOD PEOPLE CAN AND DO CHANGE!"
Melody Lane. (Happily recovered for 8 years!)

"It's about motivation." RightHereWaiting
6/08 Recovering nicely. Anything is possible!)(MB 3yrs)

"Thank God that He changes people. Miracles happen every day. Don't give up on prayer for the serial cheater either." Imagine (MB 08)

"People CAN change. Sometimes it requires help from others (as with the Plan A/B stuff or the Al-Anon)...Sometimes a good shock (Plan B?) is what it takes.." Karmarose (MB 08)

Lexxxy & Rprynne really spoke about stages/how's of affair justification/rationalisation/moral codes when precisely the lines are crossed and/or how they're moved.

Loving Anyway - Our local serial cheater smile Thank you, you are golddust.

"I don't believe we're cured...we are just recoverying, as believer said, in a lifetime program...

for when we pick up the glass of resentment, the mental habit of judgment, we are drunk again on fantasy before we act. We are already lost.

We will repeat our behaviors as we choose an old mindset...most likely after traumas in our lives. Even as we practice daily our new choices into long-held habits, we will not be "safe" to "never" choose an affair (drink) again.

You cannot make us stray, get us lost or bring us home.

You can choose to be the light or have us light out on our own.

Our behaviors truly aren't about you, who you are, if you're good enough or not...our love doesn't waiver...our hold on reality does.

Same for all addicts...as you said, with rationalization, bending our boundaries...all affairs require self-deception to come first.

Your local serial cheater,

LA "
("Committed to M 12/15/04, MC/IC 10/04 - 7/06,In Recovery and so grateful for our M")

LA I want to call out, I've read so many of your posts, you're a thoughtful, reflective, deeply caring person, who definitely knows her truth & speaks it. Thank you for sharing I value your opinion very much.
As you have worn these shoes, how did you decide to do differently?

As real as it gets.


Mary F?WS (37)
Me BH (40)
2 young children
Trust in God in all you do. When I take my eye of the real goal, I miss it.



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