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Must I even wait for her to have an overnighter, or could I simply warn her? Or would the overnighter be my "proof"? I don't have time to send certified mail, so I will try ot e-mail with "return receipt".
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Must I even wait for her to have an overnighter, or could I simply warn her? Or would the overnighter be my "proof"? I don't have time to send certified mail, so I will try ot e-mail with "return receipt". Do not wait for another over-nighter. She has had three too many over-nighters as it stands. She needs to be warned there are consequences of an affair. If she reads this email tonight, then goes and stays with OM to "test" you, too bad. There are no second chances. Her only get out of jail free card is recovery. Stand up to her. Stand up to the affair.
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Give her a verbal warning.
I think it shows strength on your part. She sees you being strong versus getting a letter.
All the legal stuff you're hearing from others really isn't necessarily true.
Family court is not as technically legal as you think. A judge could hear all the evidence in the world about how someone is terrible, has done all these awful things, and then issue a ruling that says, "in the best interest of the children" and that's it.
So all these little things like sending a letter by certified mail and all that stuff actually comes off worse than just doing things that appear to be natural reactions.
A natural reaction to the wife leaving the house to go screw another man is for you to not want her to come back in and to throw all her crap in the front yard.
There's a reason why crimes of passion, such as beating the crap out of a man you catch doing your wife, doesn't carry the harsh sentence of assaulting someone.
It is natural to have a strong emotional reaction to your spouse cheating on you.
So this certified mail stuff is too artificial, IMHO, and not the kind of stuff that plays well in court for fathers.
Being soft and fatherly will carry you further.
Remember, stuff can be replaced. All the furniture and beds and all that stuff you fight over can be replaced. It's your time with the kids that can't.
Your kids are old enough to have their own say. They're also very likely to have a very negative reaction, at their age, to the man that she is cheating with. They will take all their anger they feel about their family falling apart and express it on him.
You see, my siblings and I never talked to OW that my dad was with. My brother did a few times, but it was usually along the lines of, "Bit*ch! I didn't call to talk to you so don't answer the F**king phone!"
She got a very cold shoulder from us, which took it's toll. Part of their eventual breakup was that we hated her and didn't have anything to do with her. It is easier to hate OP than your own parent.
So be natural. Throw her a$$ out with all her clothes. Might even feel good once you do it.
If she freaks out then she'll be the one who looks bad.
If the cops show up, they'll see her being irrational, emotional, aggressive.
You simply be calm and normal and say, "I feel threatened by the way she's behaving. She's gone crazy, as you can see."
Fear is keeping you hostage, my friend.
Don't let it.
I know you want her to "wake up". Tough love and destroying the affair is the only thing that will do that.
Whimpy and appeasing men are not attractive.
Turst me, the advice I am giving you is coming from a man with 20/20 hindsight. I'm telling you what I wish I had done versus what I actually did.
I whined and cried to the very end and clung to her lies that there was hope. So I caved and gave away everthing.
It took 3 years and a fortune in lawyers to secure my rights as a father.
I look back in shame at how wimpy and appeasing I was and so wish I would have grown a pair.
Granted, it tends to be pretty shocking to come home from a war expecting to be greeted by a loving wife and family only to be greeted by a wayward who is cheating and wants a divorce.
But nevertheless, strength is a path you won't regret because the day will come when you will be over your wife. The woman you once knew is dead. She's the WW now and a WW is a poisonous presence that must be removed from your life and your home the way you get rid of a cancer in your body.
Remove that cancer.
The fog lifts when rock bottom is struck.
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Never going to happen.
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As usual, pom has really good advice. Follow it.
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Right before she got up, I chose to use her bathroom (probably the first time ever, as it's one of 3 in the house) to take my morning constitutional and the after-effect wasn't pretty. She uses that bathroom to get ready for 10 minutes before going to the gym, so I'm sure it was still lingering.  You're a stinker!
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I am looking for ways to put pressure on him. I called his boss about him texting throughout the work day and (formerly) visiting with my WW (she can't now because she is FINALLY working). I spoke to the gym owner in an attempt to get him to take the keys away from him so he couldn't spend the first half hour of each morning with my WW alone. I've been told NOT to expose to his 17-year old daughter because she's a minor. I bought some service that is supposed to track people down, and I can't find him, even with his license plate number. Looking for other ideas ....... What about putting a GPS tracking system on her car? Track down where he lives that way. It's your car, so legally it'd be ok to do....not that you want her to find it. Then expose to his parents. To his XW. Let her tell her DD what her dad is doing. Go after him!!!
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I'm going to repost a post by MortarMan to another poster. I think you will benefit from it too.
Listen. I know where you are at. She is running around, doing all of the things Melody said. You have done many things you were supposed to do, and she still seems to be flagrant about it. Plus, you dont know how to get her out, as there is a legal component to that.
So, you are scratching your head wondering what to do, right?
Okay, you need some battle plans. First off, you need to find out what she is doing. Why? Because she thinks she can do as she wants to, and it is still secret.
I had Army buddies, my brothers, etc. follow her around. Take shifts for a few weeks. They enjoyed doing the covert stuff. They would document where she went with whom. They would take pictures of them going in and out of the Troll's house, etc. And I would get a call or email with where she was.
Added to this, I put a GPS tracker on her car, where I could follow at times or at least get the info of where she was.
Now, what did I do with all of this info? Well, first off, I live in Virginia which is a fault state. Adultery (and even fornication) are Class 4 misdemeanors. So, I was compiling this information to use against her in court.
Second, I compiled this for the custody hearing. Now, adultery in and of itself usually is not admissable for the custody hearing. That is unless it has affected the children!. So, while I am documenting EVERYTHING (including what the children say and do), I use the information I have to show a pattern of neglect by my wife, where she spends most of her time with the OM, etc. I had everything documented, to show where I was, where the kids were, where she was and what she was doing. And showing how the kids were being affected by her not being there. Judges do not like WSs that put the paramour before their kids!
Lastly, I compiled the information and used it to make her uncomfortable. How? well, take what happened just now with you. If you had intel on where and what she did all night, then once she returns, you can say "well, the kids missed you last night while you slept over at the OMs." Her response "You have no idea where I went last night. I actually was over at my GF's house after the party." Your response: "Yes that is true. But then the OM came by and picked you up and you spent the night at his place."
Of course, it will be at this point that her head will spin around and she will float off the floor. "Are you spying on me...following me?" Your response "You are my wife. I know everything that you do." And leave it at that.
You dont discuss everything you know. You make her think she is being followed, the room is bugged, etc. My wife thought she had 24/7 PIs after her, that the OM's house had bugs and cameras, etc. You see, with just a little knowledge, you can make their imaginations go wild.
Now, when your kids ask her once she returns home "where were you, Mommy?" She will respond: "I was at my GFs house. Did you have a good New Years?" You can then chime in with "Kids, your Mom spent the night at the OM's house."
You see, the light of exposure and continued exposure makes things more uncomfortable. If she thinks that everytime she comes home, her actions will be brought up for review, home is going to be a hostile place for her. Not because her home is a hostile place, but because her actions make it so.
My wife's attorney asked me in a deposition once, after seeing the mounds of intel I had on her, "Dont you believe your wife should have privacy? Doesnt everyone deserve privacy?" My response was: "Sure, she deserves privacy. When she goes to the bathroom, she should have the right to shut the door in that private moment. But, in a marriage, NO ONE has a right to secrecy." That shut him up!
How else to shine light on the vampires? Well, I think I read that you dont sleep in the marital bed, am I right? If true...then get your butt back into your bed! Do not let her keep you out of it or lock you out. It is your bed. You are not the one soiling that bed, she is. Now of course, her head will again spin when she sees you laying in that bed. She will scream at you to get out of the bed. Do not budge!! Make her sleep on the couch or even better...at the OM's house.
If she locks you out? next day, buy a door knob that doesnt have a lock on it, install it on the bedroom door, and then sleep in your bed.
Now, due to experience (unfortunately), I have to warn you. WSs, especially WWs, will use this as an excuse to call the cops and accuse you of all sorts of things (abuse, etc) in order to get them to throw you out. You MUST protect yourself. The first thing is to continue to document EVERYTHING. The second is to buy 2-3 of the voice activated digital recorders (handheld) and place in various places (including the bedroom) around the house. Some of them will record all day, only when someone is talking.
At night or whenever she isnt there, you get them, connect to your computer, upload the days intel, and save. Then erase off the recorders and place back in their hiding spots (hide them good, but where they will pick up what you want to hear).
Now, how will this help? Well, when the cops are called,, she will be blathering on about how you shoved her or something up in the bedroom. You ask one ofthe officers to come with you...you go to the bedroom, pull out the recorder and have him listen in to what happened. He will hear you trying to go to bed, your wife losing her mind, she threatening to call the cops, you saying that you arent doing anything but laying in bed trying to go to sleep, and her saying that it wont matter because they will believe her.
Once the officer has that, then he can write in his report what the truth is...and you wont be charged with anything. When you go to custody and divorce hearings, to have police reports backing up what you have been saying...is huge. And makes your wife look like a liar. Which is what she will have been doing.
I am a former inspector general with the Army. Once way to get people to break down and open up is what I call the slow drip of truth. What we would do is put out some truth and then the other perso nwould respond (and try to lie). We would then put out some more, but just enough to refute what they had said. They will now be nervous because they have been caught in a lie, but they erronously believe we have told them all of the stuff we had on him. So, they come up with a second lie. Well, then we let go a little more information, just enough to refute that lie.
After we do that 2-3 times, most people are usually broken down and will begin spilling the beans! And never did they know all of what we knew. Many times, they would begin spilling the beans about stuff we didnt even know about!!
What this long post is trying to do is to make you start taking the battle to her. She was out all night, and you ask her via text where she is because the kids missed her...and oh by the way, bring home cat food. Huh? The correct text (which you would also document) is "Where you all night? The kids have wondered where you were. I told them you were at the OM's house." Dont ask her to get catfood, that just allows her to change the subject!
You must keep the sordid affair front and center constantly. You must keep her uncomfortable at this point. Dont be threatening (never threaten anything...just do!). Be calm and in control. Shoot, one night when she was ranting, and actually hit me in front of the kids, I immediately grabbed them and left and spent the night at a friends house down the street. The next day, we came home. I documented that I had left because of the physical violence shown by her in front of the kids.
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Believe me, I want to throw her out on her A$$, but I'm fairly certain that I can't legally do this. I told her last night that I will pay her first and last month's rent if she were just leave, since she claimed last month she was trying to save up for it. She said "no" and to let the courts decide that. You might not be able to keep her out of your home, but that doesn't mean you can't take her chit and deposit it at OM's house when she spends the night there....or leave it on your porch. She might re-enter the home. But, you'd have made your point. And put pressure on her A. She might not be so quick to spend another overnight if she's worried what you might do next.
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Having a bonfire comes to mind. 
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[quote]What about putting a GPS tracking system on her car? Track down where he lives that way. It's your car, so legally it'd be ok to do....not that you want her to find it. I really like this idea. Where do I get a GPS and how does it work? Does it download data to me somehow that I can view online? Are they weather-proof, or must it be installed inside the car? [quote]Then expose to his parents. To his XW. Let her tell her DD what her dad is doing. Go after him!!! Believe me, I wish I could somehow get to the OM and put more pressure on him. I don't know how to find any info on him, his XW, or his parents. In PA, Alientation of Affection was repealed, or else I'd put that pressure on him, too. I've already contacted his boss about him wasting work hours texting and seeing my WW, but he doesn't know about it, because they're just keeping an eye out on him.
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Pom,
All great stuff. Thank you.
Yesterday, I received a court order for spousal support. My lawyer said she'll get nothing as long as she's living in the house and I'm paying all the bills. There also was a bill for $500 for the final payment for a trombone for my son. The bill is in WW's name, so I put it in her mail pile. She said she doesn't have the money and asked if I was going to pay it. I told her to have her lawyer call me or I would consider it AFTER Feb 19, which is the support court date. She asked again, "Are you going to pay this by the Jan 10 due date?". I said, "Probably not. If we were a family, I would have paid it." It's in her name, let her pay it or have it adversely affect her credit. With the exception of the water bill ($50/mo), all bills are either joint or my name only, so I need to pay them all to avoid any credit problems myself.
OK, now let's talk about the car again. My lawyer said that when we go to court, I need to look like the victim and that, while they are supposed to be impartial, judges usually want to like one of the parties. Selling the car may push the judge the other way, so it may not be wise at this moment. Let's wait until the court makes their decision on support, then I can do it and/or stop paying for car insurance. I can only get about $2,000 for the car, and it's not costing me anything right now, anyway. I'll still be able to get $2,000 next month.
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I dunno. Your lawyer should flat out be with you that you should NOT be paying her way... including the insurance. If he insists you don't sell the car, then I would absolutely lend it out to someone. It is YOUR car after all. I love that your WW was told she gets no money until she moves out of the house. She's probably going to tell OM this and ask him to let her move in. If he says no, she be pretty peeved with him.  Also, if she asks again about you paying the bill for the trombone, once again explain that you are paying your bills and that she needs to start paying hers. I love that you told her you are paying the "family" bills. She has the option to stay or go. BUT, you will not be her family until NC. Make you and the kids dinner. Take the kids out for movie nights. Do things with the kids, and do not invite her. I mean, if you and the kids are sitting watching a movie, and she pops in and sits down, don't make a scene and kick her out. But, don't include her in your activities.
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I like your lawyer. Follow his advice. He knows what he's doing.
My attorney told me things which I didn't necessarily like to hear.
Letting her appear like the bully works in your favor. Believe me, a bulldog attorney might make YOU feel good because their smart a$$ remarks and jabs at her would feel vindicating, but they don't play well in court.
It looks like you're out more to smear your ex and get revenge on her than for you to focus your attention and efforts on your kids.
Let them come off as the bullies. You focus on your kids. So by all means, listen to your lawyer. Family law is a weird and odd offshoot of the law. It looks like the law, sounds, like the law, but has it's own quirks.
Mortarman's advice is awesomen. Do it if you can. Find out if PA is a two party state as far as recordings go. Then do as he says.
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She moved away with the kids April 08. I contested it and got a lot more time with my kids. She's unhappy that I want to stay involved in their lives and don't settle for being an "every other weekend" dad.
Never going to happen.
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Mortarman's advice is awesomen. Do it if you can. Find out if PA is a two party state as far as recordings go. Then do as he says. What advice from Mortarman are you referring to? And what do you mean by a 2-party state? I posed the GPS question to my attorney to see if it's legal and could help my argument in any way, possibly by demonstrating that WW is spending alot of time with the OM and less with the kids.
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I really like this idea. Where do I get a GPS and how does it work? Does it download data to me somehow that I can view online? Are they weather-proof, or must it be installed inside the car? I'm pretty sure you install them outside the car. And that you download the info and view the info on-line. Start a thread asking about GPS systems. What advice from Mortarman are you referring to? And what do you mean by a 2-party state? I posed the GPS question to my attorney to see if it's legal and could help my argument in any way, possibly by demonstrating that WW is spending alot of time with the OM and less with the kids. I copied and pasted a post of Mortarmans for you. It was in blue. I think Pom is talking about whether or not you can use recorded info in court. You should DEFINITELY take Mortarmans advice about putting recordings around the house for your protection. Nothing illegal about that. And absolutely nothing wrong/illegal w/ putting a GPS tracking system on your OWN car. Definitely take his advice! He ended up getting custody of his children, and then won his WW back. Today they are happily recovered and have a brand new baby.
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It is illegal to record someone without their consent in many states.
Some states require that only one person in the conversation give their consent. Others require that both people consent to being recorded.
So you can't record someone without their consent in every state.
Just google "two party states" and you'll find out which ones are.
You're lucky to have a lawyer who was a judge.
As far as GPS devices go, you can do it legally. You can do it as long as you're married because you own the car so you can put whatever you want on the car.
Just like you can put a keylogger on your home computer. You're allowed to do that.
But once you're divorced, that's a different story. My ex couldn't come to my house, for example, and install something on my computer. THAT is illegal.
But the car is yours and it is marital property, so you can put whatever you want.
But again, the GPS thing is a risk. You risk coming off as obsessed.
The courts don't care about her cheating. They see this all the time. They care about the impact that has on the kids.
Having a parent keep kids from the other is looked down on. Having her have sex with the OM while the kids watch, is looked down on.
Let her appear entitled. Let her appear irrational and demanding. Your job is to show that all you care about is your kids. Let her and her attorney be the bullies.
Claims of instability and hostility on your part are common. The key is to not show anything that will re-enforce that.
And beware of another common tactic. It's not surprising to have the woman contact the man shortly before trial and "push your buttons". She'll entice you into an argument and then use your reaction against you.
So don't communicate with her. Seriously, unless there is blood on the floor or someone about to die, there's no need for you to talk to her.
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She moved away with the kids April 08. I contested it and got a lot more time with my kids. She's unhappy that I want to stay involved in their lives and don't settle for being an "every other weekend" dad.
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Pom, doesn't that apply to recording phone conversations, and not actual home conversations?
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Yesterday, I received a court order for spousal support. Did I miss something? Did you get served with divorce papers? Did she file for divorce? Are you sure this isn't a petition for divorce that includes a request for spousal support? If she hasn't filed for divorce how can she ask for spousal support?
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Mortarman's advice is awesomen. Do it if you can. Find out if PA is a two party state as far as recordings go. Then do as he says. What advice from Mortarman are you referring to? And what do you mean by a 2-party state? I posed the GPS question to my attorney to see if it's legal and could help my argument in any way, possibly by demonstrating that WW is spending alot of time with the OM and less with the kids. Munny, below is the quote from Mortarman that Marshmallow had copied for you. It appears, in blue type, in an earlier thread. In order to read it again, click the 'SHOW' button below. Listen. I know where you are at. She is running around, doing all of the things Melody said. You have done many things you were supposed to do, and she still seems to be flagrant about it. Plus, you dont know how to get her out, as there is a legal component to that.
So, you are scratching your head wondering what to do, right?
Okay, you need some battle plans. First off, you need to find out what she is doing. Why? Because she thinks she can do as she wants to, and it is still secret.
I had Army buddies, my brothers, etc. follow her around. Take shifts for a few weeks. They enjoyed doing the covert stuff. They would document where she went with whom. They would take pictures of them going in and out of the Troll's house, etc. And I would get a call or email with where she was.
Added to this, I put a GPS tracker on her car, where I could follow at times or at least get the info of where she was.
Now, what did I do with all of this info? Well, first off, I live in Virginia which is a fault state. Adultery (and even fornication) are Class 4 misdemeanors. So, I was compiling this information to use against her in court.
Second, I compiled this for the custody hearing. Now, adultery in and of itself usually is not admissable for the custody hearing. That is unless it has affected the children!. So, while I am documenting EVERYTHING (including what the children say and do), I use the information I have to show a pattern of neglect by my wife, where she spends most of her time with the OM, etc. I had everything documented, to show where I was, where the kids were, where she was and what she was doing. And showing how the kids were being affected by her not being there. Judges do not like WSs that put the paramour before their kids!
Lastly, I compiled the information and used it to make her uncomfortable. How? well, take what happened just now with you. If you had intel on where and what she did all night, then once she returns, you can say "well, the kids missed you last night while you slept over at the OMs." Her response "You have no idea where I went last night. I actually was over at my GF's house after the party." Your response: "Yes that is true. But then the OM came by and picked you up and you spent the night at his place."
Of course, it will be at this point that her head will spin around and she will float off the floor. "Are you spying on me...following me?" Your response "You are my wife. I know everything that you do." And leave it at that.
You dont discuss everything you know. You make her think she is being followed, the room is bugged, etc. My wife thought she had 24/7 PIs after her, that the OM's house had bugs and cameras, etc. You see, with just a little knowledge, you can make their imaginations go wild.
Now, when your kids ask her once she returns home "where were you, Mommy?" She will respond: "I was at my GFs house. Did you have a good New Years?" You can then chime in with "Kids, your Mom spent the night at the OM's house."
You see, the light of exposure and continued exposure makes things more uncomfortable. If she thinks that everytime she comes home, her actions will be brought up for review, home is going to be a hostile place for her. Not because her home is a hostile place, but because her actions make it so.
My wife's attorney asked me in a deposition once, after seeing the mounds of intel I had on her, "Dont you believe your wife should have privacy? Doesnt everyone deserve privacy?" My response was: "Sure, she deserves privacy. When she goes to the bathroom, she should have the right to shut the door in that private moment. But, in a marriage, NO ONE has a right to secrecy." That shut him up!
How else to shine light on the vampires? Well, I think I read that you dont sleep in the marital bed, am I right? If true...then get your butt back into your bed! Do not let her keep you out of it or lock you out. It is your bed. You are not the one soiling that bed, she is. Now of course, her head will again spin when she sees you laying in that bed. She will scream at you to get out of the bed. Do not budge!! Make her sleep on the couch or even better...at the OM's house.
If she locks you out? next day, buy a door knob that doesnt have a lock on it, install it on the bedroom door, and then sleep in your bed.
Now, due to experience (unfortunately), I have to warn you. WSs, especially WWs, will use this as an excuse to call the cops and accuse you of all sorts of things (abuse, etc) in order to get them to throw you out. You MUST protect yourself. The first thing is to continue to document EVERYTHING. The second is to buy 2-3 of the voice activated digital recorders (handheld) and place in various places (including the bedroom) around the house. Some of them will record all day, only when someone is talking.
At night or whenever she isnt there, you get them, connect to your computer, upload the days intel, and save. Then erase off the recorders and place back in their hiding spots (hide them good, but where they will pick up what you want to hear).
Now, how will this help? Well, when the cops are called,, she will be blathering on about how you shoved her or something up in the bedroom. You ask one ofthe officers to come with you...you go to the bedroom, pull out the recorder and have him listen in to what happened. He will hear you trying to go to bed, your wife losing her mind, she threatening to call the cops, you saying that you arent doing anything but laying in bed trying to go to sleep, and her saying that it wont matter because they will believe her.
Once the officer has that, then he can write in his report what the truth is...and you wont be charged with anything. When you go to custody and divorce hearings, to have police reports backing up what you have been saying...is huge. And makes your wife look like a liar. Which is what she will have been doing.
I am a former inspector general with the Army. Once way to get people to break down and open up is what I call the slow drip of truth. What we would do is put out some truth and then the other perso nwould respond (and try to lie). We would then put out some more, but just enough to refute what they had said. They will now be nervous because they have been caught in a lie, but they erronously believe we have told them all of the stuff we had on him. So, they come up with a second lie. Well, then we let go a little more information, just enough to refute that lie.
After we do that 2-3 times, most people are usually broken down and will begin spilling the beans! And never did they know all of what we knew. Many times, they would begin spilling the beans about stuff we didnt even know about!!
What this long post is trying to do is to make you start taking the battle to her. She was out all night, and you ask her via text where she is because the kids missed her...and oh by the way, bring home cat food. Huh? The correct text (which you would also document) is "Where you all night? The kids have wondered where you were. I told them you were at the OM's house." Dont ask her to get catfood, that just allows her to change the subject!
You must keep the sordid affair front and center constantly. You must keep her uncomfortable at this point. Dont be threatening (never threaten anything...just do!). Be calm and in control. Shoot, one night when she was ranting, and actually hit me in front of the kids, I immediately grabbed them and left and spent the night at a friends house down the street. The next day, we came home. I documented that I had left because of the physical violence shown by her in front of the kids
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The line is fuzzy and it varies by state. Put it this way, a guy was pulled over by a cop. The guy started video taping him. The guy was prosecuted for recording audio without the consent of the cop. The video was legal, the audio was not.
Why was the video legal? You can video tape people in places where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. So a public square or a mall or places like that. It's intended to keep people from recording in stalls and changing rooms where there is a reasonable expectations of privacy.
But audio is very specific in most states.
So you need to check the specifics of your own state.
I dealt with this issue because the ex was coming to my house and video recording the exchange of our kids and was doing it without my permission.
Openly recording, however, and being blatant about it, lets me know that I'm being recorded. So unless I openly state that I object to a recording, then I consent by not saying anything.
Still, it's provocative. I'm put into a position where i have to be confrontational.
But some states are one party states and you only need to have one person know they're being recorded. Meaning that the person doing the recording knows they're being recorded.
Laws vary state to state and it's something that needs to be looked into by the person in that state.
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She moved away with the kids April 08. I contested it and got a lot more time with my kids. She's unhappy that I want to stay involved in their lives and don't settle for being an "every other weekend" dad.
Never going to happen.
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