Seriously - are all little girls growing up hoping to be expensive hookers, club rats and groupies?? I thought the women's movement was supposed to teach young women that they had better options. Yet there are scores of them who still do not hesitate to glom onto a married man in the office, the bar, the golf course or anywhere else just to get a little piece of his pie. There doesn't seem to be any thought about finding a man who might actually love and respect them. That's like some kind of joke. Real women scr*w for money and gifts, as often as possible!

My daughter was never anything like this and neither was I. It's sick. What the hell is going on??
Mulan

What's up M?

I have a friend who teaches 1st grade, one day for a class project, the kids each stood up and said what they wanted to be when they grew up.

Most said, policeman, teacher, doctor, etc. One little girl stood up and said, "trophy wife".

My friend's jaw dropped.

I see it too. Don't know why, but the idea of having to work is not acceptable to them. Easier to find somone to support them...

Most of them lack the intelligence to support themselves, the personality to land a decent single person, or both.

That line -- "trophy wife" as a response to a question about what you want to be -- was used in a TV show recently. Showed up in a lot of previews for weeks on end prior to the airing of the show. My guess is that the kid saw those and thought it was funny.

They're afraid (like I am) that that's the only man they can get!

I know better, of course. That's why I'm not dating at all. No one is interested in me, so oh well.

I'm not going to go after a married man!

In the case of my WS OW, she did not want any permanent relationship as she had a decent committed and rich boyfriend before she had A with my spouse, she told my spouse she dumped him because he was too nice. From what i understand OW likes the fact that she gets all the perks while wives have to do the hard work. OW get taken out, get given gifts, dont have to make committment to live WH and most of all they get the best behaviour and best of the WS as they tend to be grateful that someone supposedly accepts them despite having a family. Its sick and I wish that the old days where OWen who went for married men had their heads shaven and had to wear a scarlet A. Whos bright idea was to abolish that old law??

It astonishes me too. I know there have always been dumb broads out there, but at least they had the sense to hide it. Nowadays, these silly women are too silly to even hide their stupidity.

These women feel "FLATTERED" when a married man comes onto them and don't have the sense to comprehend that they have just been insulted in the highest manner. They have been spit in the face and they are giddy with excitement? They are happy to live like little cockroaches who live off the crumbs of some other woman's table of life.

I am embarrassed for these women. It is embarrassing to watch them parading around like they have won a trophy when all they really have is SPIT on their face and a future that includes getting dumped like used toilet paper when the "MM" is done with her.

I was practically functionally retarded in my 20's but at least I had the sense to understand that I was not being flattered when a married man hit on me. These girls don't get that.

I think there are two things going on here:
1. The porn industry has made young women realize that they can use their bodies for a lot of finacial gain.
2. Women are seeing skanks like the Tiger ballwashers and the Kardashian sisters, and Paris Hilton, etc., that really only have one thing to offer men and it's between their legs and augmented on their chest. The message is, use your sexuality because that's the path to success.

Karmarose.... I'm sure someone is interested in you. But timing has to be right. And THANK YOU for having the self-worth, morals, values and INTELLEGENCE to not go after a married man.

A married man is NOT the only man these floosies can get. They're just not interested in the effort it takes to groom such a man from often a pauper to a prince. Better to let the WIFE do the molding and wealth-building sacrifices then move in for the kill when the opportunity presents itself.

In other words...they're lazy.

I think you're all on to something. Girls today grow up learning that they don't ever have to do any real work - just use their sexuality to get all the gifts and perks and money and fun they want. Why work when you can do that?

Even *in* the workplace, hey, why slave away when you can just scr*w the married boss and have loads of extra fun and get loads of presents and perks and still get fat promotions?

I wonder how they'll feel when they find themselves 40, 50 years old and alone, when the men they pursued are now ignoring them for the next generation of hot little tramps selling themselves the same way, and when their children have no fathers and their daughters are becoming the same kind of little prostitute that Mom was.

This Tiger (Cheetah) thing has really brought it to the fore (sorry). He did the same thing my XWH did. XWH wasn't famous, but it was exactly the same thing, right down to "you ruined Thanksgiving" (which Cheetah reportedly said to his wife right before she grabbed the golf club.)

Maybe it will wake up a few people and adultery won't be so bloody acceptable. Drunk driving used to be socially acceptable, too. Now it's, "Friends don't let friends drive drunk." Well, friends don't let friends destroy their lives with adultery, either.

We can only hope. And keep telling the truth at every opportunity.
Mulan

I just want to add that women do not have the corner on being dumb. Any married man who lacks the moral fiber to act in a contrite and respectable manner is not only dumb but irresponsible. I thought God gave us a brain to use so we could elevate ourselves above the level of animals in "heat".

I am beginning to realize I no longer "fit" in society today. I was always taught and and I believe the bonds of marriage are to be respected. However we have shows like desperate housewives that normalize and glorify sleazy behavior. After this constant deterioration of social standards we find ourselves in our current state.

It boils down to respect. Respect for women, respect for marriage, respect for society. We are now reaping the harvest of the "Do your own thing" generation. The mantra of the 60's, of "if it feels good do it", has taken root and instead of bearing fruit and bringing us happiness, we find ourselves with a crop of weeds and the destruction of marriages. Somehow self restraint got lost in the process and a percentage of my fellow men feel it is their duty to behave like cretins.

So we have a symphony of poor behavior with both teams racing to the bottom.

I recently saw a TV program where the Porn industry is in trouble. The profitability is starting to drop as there is so much free porn out on the internet. Porn is profitable when it is forbidden. So once it becomes as common as home movies the profit is gone. Funny that the Porn industry is dependent upon a society being moral in order to be profitable.

And the real kicker is - there are loads of TV shows about how to have a fabulous wedding. Women spend months or *years* and thousands and thousands of dollars on the wedding. The wedding industry is huge while marriage is a joke and everyone is free to disrespect that at every opportunity. But don't mess up some bridezilla's *wedding*!

The disconnect is just astonishing.
Mulan

I think society has some to blame on this. I suppose that could go back to the people that make up *society*. Buy this product, and who even notices the product, but sees the barely clothed model beside it. It's everywhere, tv, movies, magazines, advertisements, etc......all promoting being skanky. In the movies/tv shows, these types always go after the older married man, and live happily ever after. Then of course like said above, the Hollywood celebs that are famous for nothing at all besides being floozies. A movie now gets an "R" rating for someone smoking in it, yet PG-13 can show just about everything. It really irks me with what the message it gives out.

The OW that my WH had the A with was an umarried 20 year old with a 2 year old boy. She started things, and he had no boundaries (which she obviously didn't either). She knew he was married, as he has a bunch of pictures up of me all over his work area, wears a wedding ring, and met me previously at a company Christmas party.

I agree that many look to getting the financial part of it. Yes, someone else has groomed this person and put in the sacrifices and hard work to get someplace in life, and now they just want to step in and take over.

I found something on the internet last fall, and found it fitting. It is now taped to WH's dresser.
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Warning to all men

Be cautious, female predators are using a date rape drug called "BlowJobs" to trap men in scams called relationships.
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The OW kept offering/talking about this (and other things, but this was her main thing) to my WH. She started this way. She never did follow through on it, though it was close to happening when the A was found out. The next week it would have gone that next step. She was leading him along farther and farther to her goal of stealing him away. She wasn't giving up anything until she had her grips on him completely. WH says he never had any intention of leaving me, just wanted that dual life, and she was offering it up freely enough.

Ok, my $0.02 which worht what .01 in Euro's these days.

Consider the "reality" TV shows. Don't even bother to consider the porn industry because frankly what is affecting many young "ladies" these days isn't the porn industry. It is mainstream TV.

Just think of the show: The Batchelor, or The Batchelorette (sp, I am sure). What are the women doing and how are the men acting. Consider that most other reality TV shows have both males and females showing off their "six-pack" abs, and other features from spending their live in a gym.

As someone said consider Desperate Housewives.

What is the message? Enjoy, screw, and look "pretty/handsome" and live will be good. Don't worry about cheating, don't be ashamed of being in a "meat market" where it is what you offer physcially that counts.

The messages are ubiquitous and the young kids are picking it up.

I will relay a story from over a decade ago. My W and I went to our daughters graduation from MIDDLE SCHOOL. Yup, 8th grade. The boys looked like the boys I remembered from that period. Appendages attached oddly, Adam's apples sticking out, and slightly uncoordinated. You get the picture.

The girls look like they only shopped at Victoria Secret and then forgot to put clothes on. I mean we are talking about low cut dresses that looked like nightgowns. And I can say with some conviction they were far, far more developed than girls of my era. The message: sex!

So it is no surprise really given what has been going on in society and what is on TV. It is constantly striving to give new and more graphic meaning to the term "boob tube."

JL

I think it comes down to the fact that sexual pleasure, in any form, is a strong drug and very difficult to resist, for both men and women.

Stable societies put social mores in place that teach people, either directly or otherwise, to control sexual desires so that we are not just walking around like animals.

IMO, the feminist movement and other products of the 60's and 70's undid a lot of those mores and we are beginning to see the costs associated with that.

We need to go back to teaching principles that promote self-control rather than these ideas of "if it feels good, do it." It's tough to do because it's just so much easier to give in to our sexual desires than to walk away.

Good luck with that. If you try to set a standard now you will be faced with all and sundry trotting out the standard lines of "repression of the art" and "censorship" and you will be accused of being Victorian, out of touch, or unable to adapt to new standards etc....

I think we have a ways to sink yet before it comes to the point where society will be willing to institute standards again.

These women feel "FLATTERED" when a married man comes onto them and don't have the sense to comprehend that they have just been insulted in the highest manner. They have been spit in the face and they are giddy with excitement? They are happy to live like little cockroaches who live off the crumbs of some other woman's table of life.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. It is so depressing to watch these women as they proudly announce themselves as a MM mistress! Just look at Tiger Wood's mistress. They aren't even embarassed to say that they are home-wreckers. I was so upset last week because a co-worker whom I respected (MM) and work with made an inappropriate remark to me. I thought he was one of the good guys. I told him that if he EVER stepped out of line with me again, I was going straight to HR and report him for sexual harassment. It was an insult to me and I began to look at myself and what I did to make him think it was OK to come on to me when we both are M. I felt sick to my stomache and I could only imagine my own DH coming on to the skank he had an A with and her being flattered. You have to be a low-life gutter woman to even be romotely flattered by a MM coming on to you. Like you, I had some pretty wild days in my early 20s but it has always been and will always be an insult for some other woman's H to come on to me. I am beginning to wonder if all men cheat. But nowadays there are a lot of women who are cheating as well. It makes me sick to see the male/female coworkers who are going to lunch together and who are overly friendly with each other and are M to other ppl. You just know their having an A. I have always been able to spot inappropriate relationships at work.