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He's asleep in there now after his tantrum. I, however, will be up for hours in complete replay. higgs, is he taking any drugs or drinking?
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He just wants to keep bringing up all the love busters that I have done over the years. We know dis trick: divert, divert, divert, divert.... 
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I think he is drinking; this may be where's he going after school...I don't smell it on him though.
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You did so great! I hope your morning is better.
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He just wants to keep bringing up all the love busters that I have done over the years. Wow, a WS who is also a blameshifter? I've never heard of a such a thing! 
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Ok ws woke up this morning and walked around as usual and getting ready for school. The only gesture made toward me is that he helped me make the bed and then I thanked him.
Anyway, to affirm my seriousness, I texted him my requests and told him that our marriage would never work without agreeing to these terms and I will no longer tollerate this affair or his behavior. He's not responded. He says he's sick of me repeating the same phrases.
I won't lie to you guys; I'm scared to death and afraid of losing him forever, but I also agree that I can't continue to live this way.
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Anyway, to affirm my seriousness, I texted him my requests and told him that our marriage would never work without agreeing to these terms and I will no longer tollerate this affair or his behavior. He's not responded. He says he's sick of me repeating the same phrases. Yeah, I'd say to stop repeating yourself, higgs. That's a LB. You told him once, right? And the more you repeat them the less power they have.
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How will I know if hecis willing to go by these guidelines? He never answered me last night.
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I'd take that as a no for now, but if he hasn't out right said no, maybe he's still thinking?
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Yeah, I'd say to stop repeating yourself, higgs. That's a LB. You told him once, right? And the more you repeat them the less power they have. MB, in order for her to get through to him she needs to be a broken record and repeat these things over and over again. Very little gets through those fogged out, thick skulls, so Steve Harley advises using key points and saying them over and over again.
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How will I know if hecis willing to go by these guidelines? He never answered me last night. Just tell him that if he doesn't agree to these things, he needs to find another place to live this weekend. Silence means NO. Use his own words against him and say, "you said that you wanted to separate, and i now agree with you. I would like for you to move out."
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I never cried or yelled; I had a hard time getting a word in edgewise. Will he ever forgive me for this? You have NOTHING to be forgiven for, higgs, you are just doing everything you can to save your marriage and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Of course your WH will try and make it look like you have something to be forgiven for, that's what WW's do, it's easier for them to shift the blame to someone else rather than simply accept the blame themselves with a grain of salt. You words: He just keeps repeating the same things over and over. Your WH's words: He says he's sick of me repeating the same phrases. Wow, what a coinki-dink, the "BOTH" of you are repeating yourselves but yet he's the only one who's b**ching about it. Now if "that" isn't calling the kettle black I don't know what is! As Melody said earlier, higgs, some things really do require repeating; you have questions that NEED to be answered and they need to be answered NOW! Keep at it until you get them. Good luck!
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Husband just text me and said, "I'll let you know."
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Husband just text me and said, "I'll let you know." TRANSLATION: I want more cake.
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You need to make your plan. Do as ML has suggested. Ask him to go. Do you have your Plan B letter ready? An IM? Visitation schedule and finances figured out? You need to do this the right way. You can do this Higgs.
Those feelings you are having are completely normal. I was told on my thread that my WH was DEAD. That killed me. Also, I was told that I was losing a lying, abusive adulterer. Not such a great loss when I looked at it that way. When/if my DH returns, I will welcome him back into the fold(as long as he is willing to do the work).
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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There's nothing to figure out with finances.....we have everything seperate right now(his choice on that many yes ago. I'll just hVe to remind him to pay his two bills he pays each month.
The letter is ready and I have my brother ad go between.
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You won't remind him any more about those bills. He is a big boy. Let OW remind him. Will he be paying you CS? My bad about your brother being IM, I forgot that part. I am sure he will be great too since he knows the best teacher of IMs around. Do you have an addendum in your letter for when he will be visiting the kids? Do you have things planned out about how the exchanges will take place? Just making sure you have all of your bases covered.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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I told him in the letter that he can have them every other weekend and visit on other occasions as long as he communicates to me through my brother. I'll post my letter later so others can let me know what cha think. I'm scared for numerous reasons....mostly being alone, and the hurt inside. I hate that things are going to end this way.
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I hate that things are going to end this way. But you see, Plan B (if done properly) is not an end. It's a beginning. Whether your marriage survives or not, YOU will be in a much better place than you are today. Ask those whose marriages have recovered AND those whose marriages didn't, but all of which executed nearly perfect Plan Bs. You still have a fighting chance.
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It MAY be the end of your marriage, and it MAY NOT.
It definitely WON'T be the end of YOU.
You will be able to look back at this time and realize that you did everything you could. You did it the best you could.
You'll be able to look at your children and tell them that you did the best you could.
You can do this. You have done so well so far.
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