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Point them to MB. Buy them some of the books on what to do to have a good M as well as what to do to protect a M from an A.

That would be an awesome gift. They do not have a good role model for M in real life. They can learn a lot from MB.

Well it sure was cursed..

Thank you EE for pointing out the scriptures I could not find yesterday, and the reference to the Blue-eyed Jesus, well your right there too.

A former Rabbi who had converted to Evangelistic Christianity cae to teach once at our church, he said Christ was a short guy with nappy hair and stocky, not the surfer dude with nice Abs we see in pictures.

The validity of this new marriage before God, well, in the absence of understanding a relationship with God is Gods most highest desire and priority, and understanding that God will use anything to get us to come to Him, why would he not use our lust patterns and the pain we suffer from them to bring us to Him? Why does God bless marriages? or should I say how? I would say only when He is the priority can we truly love another, and it is far beyond a business deal, at least it that is found out by the many who would seek to twist a marriage to their own gain, and neglect His other subject, whom he loves just as much.

Someone brought out the point that Hell was mentioned many times in the Bible, of course it is, most of us do not even open our eyes untill life, consequences, deemed by God IMO, for change,(repentance) hits us in the head with a 2x4. I can agree with that. I also think that if Christ remembers no more the sins of the past, it is only because we are hard-hearted and not capable of forgiveness that we keep bringing them up.

I am still struggling with forgivness, and am only human and limited, and maybe I will be scarred for the rest of my life here on earth as far as relationships, but the promise that I can seek the kingdom of God first, and all things will be added unto me, (Which I take as in the now and experientually also), keeps me going and gives me hope.

I believe that anything outside the will of God is evil, and everything we experience here is designed to draw us to Him. Its no surprise to me that NC had to experience what she did in her human weakness to come to that point, but I will let God deal with that, as he apparently has, or she would not be here.

God has pruned back the vine, and shook what things that can be shaken, so only He remains for her. What he cares about is that she sins no more, and not the details of her blindness. It is by Gods laws and our interpetations and judgements, of someone who did not even understand them much less trust them at one time, that we might tend to enslave her. She really screwed up, we would be reticent<sp>, to say differently, but to condemn her present life she may or may not be able to build with or without her WH. I pray she finds peace from the curse she has bought into, and that

Joel 2:24-26 (King James Version)

24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

We are separated currently but he is not in an active affair at this time.

Just to be clear, I do not plan to ask for help on restoring this marriage on these boards. We do have Harley's books, and a counselor who is on board with Harley's philosophy's. I will call the Harleys direct if needed. I think it would be disrepectful and too hurtful to BWs and BHs to expect help actually on these boards.

And so honesty and sincerity is met with condemnation by those who speak with their tongues about forgiveness, and their actions show what is truly in their hearts.

Thank you.

What if the bank robber spent the money on bubble gum that he chewed all up?

What then? Does he never get forgivness? What if he decides to pay the money back only to discover that a new government has taken over and his currency is worthless?

Then he gets a job and STILL has to RE-PAY THE MONEY.

That is part of the consequence. The bank isn't going to just let him skip on out of there with a "oh, the money's been chewed up? I guess we're just SOL then!". Noooo...he must find a way to re-pay the bank.

Love ~ you can disagree with me all you want. I've been around these boards long enough to know that a full-on board war WILL erupt if she tries posting here.

There will be tons of anguished words, lots of tears and a boatload of unnecessary hurt and triggering from the many BSs here who are hurting terribly. Trust me. This would be incredibly disrespectful. Every single time an affairage has tried to get help here the thread gets locked because it is so painful.

P.S. the problem, Love, for hurting BSs to just "stay away" is...the often don't know until it's TOO LATE that they are reading/helping out on a thread that is an AFFAIRAGE.

The same exact type of relationsh*t that their spouse is actively engaged in. How would you like it if your WH and his OW married and then came here, to MB, asking for help? Would you want to help them?

Insanity to even suggest such a thing. Truly heartless, Love.

I'll remind those of you who wish to quote scripture and define repentance and forgiveness, that it is His to give, and not yours, and I would also like to remind you of Matthew:



The sheep helped those in need, and did not wait to find if they were in some form acceptable, they did not weigh their own situation versus their charity - they simply helped another soul in need. No questions, no judgements; they simply rendered aid.

The goats? Well, they wanted to make sure anyone they might help would be Godly, and worthy of their charity. They wanted some type of reward or righteousness before they could possibly render any aid to anyone. We see where their righteousness led them.

The last one in 101 was a 1 day bickerfest.

Hey still, sorry to see you are sick,(your avatar)

I can't see that people who are not willing to submit to God first, can even understand what marriage is in the first place.

Again it is to take care of someone in the way which God does, and a challenge in that light also.

Agreed, that people learn as they go along, and that adultry is just one of the pitfalls possibly endured in a marriage, along with as we have all learned through DH Hs help, the many forms of selfishness we take on in the marriage.

I just don't agree with "marriage at any cost", and seperation or D is IMO a viable reason to leave someone who is abuseing you, adultry being the most painful, but certainly not the only abuse.

I want to encourage you to seek what is peaceable between you and God, and be blessed by His presence in your life.

Of course it is your choice whether to get married again, don't let mans interpretation of Old Testement Law take away form the Grace bestowed upon us from Christ. Like ML says, "The only thing worse than not keeping a promise is keeping a bad promise" You are free to find someone who will keep a good one at any time.

Exactly. It triggers lots of people and many here feel incredibly disrespected that an affairage like the one that's ripped their life apart, is getting help.

It's truly disrespectful and cruel.

I just want to be clear one more time...

I WILL NOT ASK FOR HELP FOR MY MARRIAGE ON THESE BOARDS.

If I post it will only be about my continuing efforts towards growing in Christ and warning others about what adultery causes. I may update on my sitch with the BW if an update happens, and I will gladly answer any questions asked of me. But... I WILL NOT ask for marriage advice here. I do understand why and how that would be offensive.

What if the bank robber has a stroke and is paralyzed and can't work?

What then? Oh but he really enjoyed all that bubble gum back in the day.

Seriously, some wrongs just cannot be righted in our imperfect state.

That is graceful, and at the same time, sad.

I am going to have to say that I can no longer participate in your thread, as I simply don't have the conscience to watch the suffering of the sick and dying and stand here with my hands on my hips.

I hope the books and articles from here lead you where you want to go.

SW, this argument is no longer about Christ, and is solely about the hardness of people's hearts. KK?