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BrainHurts #2628753 05/23/12 03:52 AM
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I've had a few rough nights, having weird vivid dreams that aren't quite nightmares, but are so unsettling they wake me up.

I've been reading other threads on here and listening to the show pretty much daily. I am having an epiphany of sorts looking at therightthing and his BS's threads. I have had no respect for myself throughout this process.

This man, who I once loved so dearly, has despised me, ridiculed me, disrespected our marriage. He has broken my daughters hearts...we used to call them "our" daughters but he has shown he didn't deserve their love. He has ruined me financially and continues to do so. It's almost as if he takes a glee in all of this pain he is causing me...I just don't understand why, why why!!

So...my epiphany...I'm doing this to myself. I'm willing to accept crumbs from him here and there, willing to tolerate such poor behavior (heck, as I did so long during our marriage, as he vacillated between renter and freeloader while I tried desperately to be a buyer). But I'm doing this to myself!

I wonder sometimes why people don't respond to my posts. Tonight I went back and read my original thread (probably should ask to have them merged, huh, I've had three now...)

People don't respond because I haven't done what people tell me to. I haven't entered plan B. I'm not in Plan A right now, because we have very little communication and I'm clearly not meeting any emotional needs of his. I'm in plan C. UGGHHH!!!! I don't think I can convey how disgusted I am with myself right now. Here I am, a very educated woman, a very accomplished woman, and I'm licking the crumbs off the floor from this self-rightous man who was lucky that I was willing to share my life and family with, and who has thrown it all away!

I think back to the good relationship he used to have with my daughters...and know he would be capable of being a decent dad if he wanted. I think back to how he cried while we watched pursuit of happyness when I was pregnant with our son, for fear he wouldn't be a great dad, and then contrast that with 1) his neglect of our sons educational needs as a stay at home dad 2)his destruction of our sons family 3) his fogbabble excuses why its okay for him to miss key things in our son's life 4) his absolutely ludicrous idea that he should go for primary custody of our son, when he can't support even himself and can't meet our son's needs (I think it's just so he could try and get child support out of me...I think he, deep down, still wants me to support him as I was doing all these years).

He's disgusting. Really. Appalling. And I am still attracted to him, still want whatever crumbs he's been sending me. Still pine for the man he could be, while not recognizing the man he is.

Uggh.

So...I commit to entering plan B within 12 hours of securing an IM. I have been brainstorming and there's one more person I think I can try, I'll call her when it's a decent hour. Or, if anyone on here will be my IM, I promise I'll be good. I don't say that word lightly.


So...since after seeing all my threads, I see that no one is interested in my talk, I need to show action. I need an IM. Desperately. I need someone to get me into plan B. I'm humbly asking on here if someone is willing to give me a chance. I will be serious about this, I will not waffle on it, I've already committed to leaving my church if necessary, given them a leave of absence from the teaching position I have there, moved out, etc.

The only other thing I never fully did, or at least did in a trickle way, is exposure. I did not expose OW on facebook (which is where she targeted my WH). I did, in person, tell two mutual friends we have on facebook a couple of months ago, gave them all the details and warning.



Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
I've had a few rough nights, having weird vivid dreams that aren't quite nightmares, but are so unsettling they wake me up.

I've been reading other threads on here and listening to the show pretty much daily. I am having an epiphany of sorts looking at therightthing and his BS's threads. I have had no respect for myself throughout this process.

This man, who I once loved so dearly, has despised me, ridiculed me, disrespected our marriage. He has broken my daughters hearts...we used to call them "our" daughters but he has shown he didn't deserve their love. He has ruined me financially and continues to do so. It's almost as if he takes a glee in all of this pain he is causing me...I just don't understand why, why why!!

So...my epiphany...I'm doing this to myself. I'm willing to accept crumbs from him here and there, willing to tolerate such poor behavior (heck, as I did so long during our marriage, as he vacillated between renter and freeloader while I tried desperately to be a buyer). But I'm doing this to myself!

I wonder sometimes why people don't respond to my posts. Tonight I went back and read my original thread (probably should ask to have them merged, huh, I've had three now...)

People don't respond because I haven't done what people tell me to. I haven't entered plan B. I'm not in Plan A right now, because we have very little communication and I'm clearly not meeting any emotional needs of his. I'm in plan C. UGGHHH!!!! I don't think I can convey how disgusted I am with myself right now. Here I am, a very educated woman, a very accomplished woman, and I'm licking the crumbs off the floor from this self-rightous man who was lucky that I was willing to share my life and family with, and who has thrown it all away!

I think back to the good relationship he used to have with my daughters...and know he would be capable of being a decent dad if he wanted. I think back to how he cried while we watched pursuit of happyness when I was pregnant with our son, for fear he wouldn't be a great dad, and then contrast that with 1) his neglect of our sons educational needs as a stay at home dad 2)his destruction of our sons family 3) his fogbabble excuses why its okay for him to miss key things in our son's life 4) his absolutely ludicrous idea that he should go for primary custody of our son, when he can't support even himself and can't meet our son's needs (I think it's just so he could try and get child support out of me...I think he, deep down, still wants me to support him as I was doing all these years).

He's disgusting. Really. Appalling. And I am still attracted to him, still want whatever crumbs he's been sending me. Still pine for the man he could be, while not recognizing the man he is.

Uggh.

So...I commit to entering plan B within 12 hours of securing an IM. I have been brainstorming and there's one more person I think I can try, I'll call her when it's a decent hour. Or, if anyone on here will be my IM, I promise I'll be good. I don't say that word lightly.


So...since after seeing all my threads, I see that no one is interested in my talk, I need to show action. I need an IM. Desperately. I need someone to get me into plan B. I'm humbly asking on here if someone is willing to give me a chance. I will be serious about this, I will not waffle on it, I've already committed to leaving my church if necessary, given them a leave of absence from the teaching position I have there, moved out, etc.

The only other thing I never fully did, or at least did in a trickle way, is exposure. I did not expose OW on facebook (which is where she targeted my WH). I did, in person, tell two mutual friends we have on facebook a couple of months ago, gave them all the details and warning.

Yes my friend I still think you should expose OW. We were trying to tell you this.

Sounds like your taker is heading full force ahead and going through conflict and then it will be withdrawal as your lovebank starts to deplete.

Yes please have your threads merged together so people can follow you.

Sometimes it takes some of us longer to "get it" and it sounds like your getting it.

You deserve way more than those silly crumbs you deserve the whole darn cake.

Please secure up your IM. Tell her it's nothing but a filter to protect you. She just needs to send messages and filter out all his bull crap.

I'm so proud of you. You are growing!!!


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Okay, two big steps forward...

One, I got a promotion!! This is really hard to get in state government these days, and I feel quite accomplished to have gotten it. And of course, the increase in pay will help my life as a single parent.

Two, I found an IM! She'll be awesome...she's been through similar bad experiences with men, and won't take any B.S., and I know she'll keep me safe (from myself!!) I'm sending her the link to the IM training school but I have faith that it will work out.

So...onward...implementing plans.

By tomorrow night, I will complete facebook exposure of OW.
By Sunday, I will be all ready for Plan B.

I'm taking control of my life. I was reading a book tonight (a kid book, actually) and it had a good quote in it..."Fair means everyone gets what they need. And the only way to get what you need is to make that happen yourself." Seemed like a beautiful embodiment of the marriage builder's principles and plans.


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
Divorce final 7/29/2013
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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Okay, two big steps forward...

One, I got a promotion!! This is really hard to get in state government these days, and I feel quite accomplished to have gotten it. And of course, the increase in pay will help my life as a single parent.

Two, I found an IM! She'll be awesome...she's been through similar bad experiences with men, and won't take any B.S., and I know she'll keep me safe (from myself!!) I'm sending her the link to the IM training school but I have faith that it will work out.

So...onward...implementing plans.

By tomorrow night, I will complete facebook exposure of OW.
By Sunday, I will be all ready for Plan B.

I'm taking control of my life. I was reading a book tonight (a kid book, actually) and it had a good quote in it..."Fair means everyone gets what they need. And the only way to get what you need is to make that happen yourself." Seemed like a beautiful embodiment of the marriage builder's principles and plans.


hurray my friend hurray

Keep us updated on the exposure.

You rock!!!


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WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



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Congratulations, Jennifer!! hurray


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


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Okay...so here is my exposure letter. Please give me feedback as soon as possible, I'd like to get started sending it ASAP. Thank you!!

Dear friend of two-timer,

It grieves me to write this letter but I believe all of her friends should be aware that two-timer had an inappropriate online relationship with my husband, WH, over Facebook and Google+. She was also still married at the time. WH and I have been married for 5 years and have a son together who�s life has been thrown into upheaval in the aftermath of this relationship.

I would be happy to provide the evidence to anyone who asks.

I would ask that you use your influence with two-timer to persuade her to leave my husband alone. You should also watch your own husbands around her because she is no friend to marriage.

I would appreciate it if someone would notify her parents and ask them to call me at XXX.

Thank you, JenniferVoyager


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
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Have you seen the latest on the exposure 101 thread?

Providing a link with your proof so people can see it for themselves.

Check it out.
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
An ingenious facebook exposure tactic devised by board member, Rainysweet, is to include a link in your facebook exposure letters to a private webpage with evidence of the affair. Instead of telling exposure targets to write you for the evidence of the affair, all they have to do is click on the provided link and the evidence pops right up! Rainysweet - who says she is not computer savvy - simply uploaded a photo of the infidels together along with a scanned card from the OW to her WH in the OW's handwriting professing her "lurve." This added great impact to her exposure, especially since the very deceitful, manipulative OW was denying her affair to all and playing the victim.

Here are Rainysweet's instructions - thank you Rainysweet!!

Originally Posted by Rainysweet
Thanks:)

I cannot claim genius for the web page - someone else gave me the idea. (It helps to work with a group of brilliant teachers who find the most amazing things. Most of us acquire a knack for tapping into amazing FREE things, as well:) I, honestly, am a bit technologically challenged. It took me probably 2 hours to set it up when all was said and done. Someone gifted at computers could probably do it much faster. It's very simple.


SETTING UP A WEB SITE:

*All you have to do is go to weebly.com. Enter name, email, set a password, and click "sign up." You might want to set up a new email to link to it, not use your regular one. People viewing your site do not have access to your email. It's mainly just for login, I think. But I set up a new one anyway, just for my own peace of mind.

It walks you through the steps. You name your site. You can do only 1 page, or add as many as you want. It's already formatted nicely, my friends thought it was a professional website that I had just posted to. You can enter text, and upload photos from your computer.

It gives an option to set up a blog. I would strongly advise against that. If you do a blog, other people can post comments, etc. You don't want this to turn into a mud-slinging or 10,000 questions site. You want the impact to be - here's the evidence, see what you need to see, have a nice day. You want to stay in control of it, not open it up to other people (supportive or unsupportive). I didn't put OW's name on the site at first, but people told me I needed to so it would be clear who she was.

I did include a couple of comments, but mostly I wanted the impact to be from the evidence, not me shooting off at the mouth. I also received feedback to include her maiden name, her whole name as it appears on Facebook, so high school friends would still recognize her. I scanned in a card from her to my husband with just a simple message, about love and forever:) in HER handwriting, and then a few pictures. Enough to get the point across. Be reasonably tasteful.

I can't find exactly where it is without going through all the steps again, but near the end there is an option to "set search engines." DON'T do that. You want it to be a private site that someone can't just look for - they have to have a direct link.

You can go back in and edit anytime - add or remove pages, photos, etc. If you leave it open and don't log out, it will appear as something like, "site maintenance underway, currently unavailable, check back." If you ever need to turn it off for a bit for some reason (in my case, I was trying to get a more incriminating photo) that makes it unavailable to people, but shows them they can come back.

Make sure you have a strong password, maybe reset it often - that's easy to do as well (and another reason for setting up a new email as your username, one that people do not know). It will show you the website link at the end.

I put a note at the bottom of my exposure letter that said, "I am not going to subject anyone to images they do not want to see. If you want to see proof of this affair you can go to: website." FB automatically posts it as a link.


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I wish I had that kind of proof...but also, I'm glad I don't. My proof is in some messages she sent me over facebook acknowledging their private conversations. I don't think they've met in person since I caught them chatting, but who really knows...the proof I have is their private conversations. Anywho...does it look okay?

I'm about to change my profile pic to one of my favorite pictures of WH and I together...it's painful to even think about. It was taken only a few months before all this craziness, and we look (and were) so happy. I've unblocked him on facebook for now...so if he gets wind of exposure, he could come and look at me and see US (he's got me blocked now...he goes back and forth on blocking me and me him).


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Okay...so here is my exposure letter. Please give me feedback as soon as possible, I'd like to get started sending it ASAP. Thank you!!

Dear friend of two-timer,

It grieves me to write this letter but I believe all of her friends should be aware that two-timer had an inappropriate online relationship with my husband, WH, over Facebook and Google+. She was also still married at the time. WH and I have been married for 5 years and have a son together who�s life has been thrown into upheaval in the aftermath of this relationship.

I would be happy to provide the evidence to anyone who asks.

I would ask that you use your influence with two-timer to persuade her to leave my husband alone. You should also watch your own husbands around her because she is no friend to marriage.

I would appreciate it if someone would notify her parents and ask them to call me at XXX.

Thank you, JenniferVoyager

Jennifer -

Letter looks good. Very minor detail, but the editor in me saw it - "who's" in your first paragraph should be "whose." You want to look as intelligent and "together" as you can. Good luck! You will feel so much better. (Yeah, look at me saying that:)


Married: 22 years
Me: BW 41
Him: WH 43
Sons: 19, 17, 12
Daughter: 16
DD 8/09
EA started 8/08
PA started 7/09
Brief recovery of a few months in there.
Separated 10/10
Legal Separation 8/11
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Thanks for catching that Rainy! I'd already sent some, but I'll get it right from here on out. And it looked wrong to me but honestly, I'm so tired that I didn't take the time to figure out what would look better wink

Thanks for the inspiration of your own exposure...I delayed probably too long to make any difference in my marriage as well, but at least it will be out there. I'm tired of the darkness.


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
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Okay...I'm running into a number of her facebook friends who I don't have message links to. Is that something new? I thought you could message anyone unless they'd specifically blocked you...


Me, BS: 35
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6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
Divorce final 7/29/2013
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excellent decision jenn! i'm glad you're finally getting somewhere. i don't often comment because everyone else has said what i would say and i don't necessarily feel i can add anything to the conversation.

i am looking forward to you exposing and getting into PB. keep your chin up. :O)


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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Okay...I'm running into a number of her facebook friends who I don't have message links to. Is that something new? I thought you could message anyone unless they'd specifically blocked you...

Hmmm it's not letting you send a message at all to them?


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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Thanks for catching that Rainy! I'd already sent some, but I'll get it right from here on out. And it looked wrong to me but honestly, I'm so tired that I didn't take the time to figure out what would look better wink

Thanks for the inspiration of your own exposure...I delayed probably too long to make any difference in my marriage as well, but at least it will be out there. I'm tired of the darkness.

That's exactly what I said. Just told OW's BH that, in fact. "I am done living in darkness." I don't know that you're too late. But either way, at least you will be back in the light. I think I started hallucinating by last night. Seriously. But keep going! You can do it weightlifter


Married: 22 years
Me: BW 41
Him: WH 43
Sons: 19, 17, 12
Daughter: 16
DD 8/09
EA started 8/08
PA started 7/09
Brief recovery of a few months in there.
Separated 10/10
Legal Separation 8/11
Plan B 5/17/12
Plan D 5/31/12

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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Okay...I'm running into a number of her facebook friends who I don't have message links to. Is that something new? I thought you could message anyone unless they'd specifically blocked you...

Hmmm it's not letting you send a message at all to them?

I had a few like that too. In the privacy settings, you can set it so you only receive messages from friends or friends of friends now, if you want to. Just cross 'em off, and keep going! It'll get back to them.


Married: 22 years
Me: BW 41
Him: WH 43
Sons: 19, 17, 12
Daughter: 16
DD 8/09
EA started 8/08
PA started 7/09
Brief recovery of a few months in there.
Separated 10/10
Legal Separation 8/11
Plan B 5/17/12
Plan D 5/31/12

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Originally Posted by Letty
excellent decision jenn! i'm glad you're finally getting somewhere. i don't often comment because everyone else has said what i would say and i don't necessarily feel i can add anything to the conversation.

i am looking forward to you exposing and getting into PB. keep your chin up. :O)

Letty, I greatly appreciated your comments to me, just FYI!


Married: 22 years
Me: BW 41
Him: WH 43
Sons: 19, 17, 12
Daughter: 16
DD 8/09
EA started 8/08
PA started 7/09
Brief recovery of a few months in there.
Separated 10/10
Legal Separation 8/11
Plan B 5/17/12
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Finishing up exposure of OW right now (last night I literally was falling asleep between messages until I just decided to listen to my body.)

WH has unblocked me on facebook so I think something got through to him...we'll see!


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
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Oh, one other thing, I noticed on her friends list she has a person with no profile pic called "[herfirstname] Secretive" and another called "[hernickname] Farmer" so...typical wayward?


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
Divorce final 7/29/2013
Living day by day, counting my blessings, loving my children
Personal Recovery well underway!
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Originally Posted by JenniferVoyager
Finishing up exposure of OW right now (last night I literally was falling asleep between messages until I just decided to listen to my body.)

WH has unblocked me on facebook so I think something got through to him...we'll see!

Good job and keep it going.


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



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Exposure Done! Actually, he hadn't unblocked me, but for some reason I could see a message I'd sent him from ages ago while I was going through my messages.

Now on to plan B. I hope to have everything ready to hand him a letter when he comes to drop off our son tomorrow. smile

I am feeling good about the progress in my life!


Me, BS: 35
WxH: 36 "HAM" Hearts a mess
6yo DS (with WxH), 9 and 12yo DDs from first marriage
Discovered DH's affair in June, 2011
"I'm not having an affair, you're crazy." major gaslighting
Served with divorce papers on 2/3/12
Divorce final 7/29/2013
Living day by day, counting my blessings, loving my children
Personal Recovery well underway!
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