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#2699943 01/18/13 07:52 PM
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My husband and I have been reading the MB board to get the advice of some very helpful people that are working the MB program. It has been very helpful. But we really are having a difficult time.

We have been married 21 years and have four children. About year 17 I received an email from an old BF and did not tell my husband. Then I justified my responding to it because I was not appreciated and felt my husband did not love me. (So typical)

The history behind this old BF is we had a 5 year relationship with a brief time he lived with me. We were very young. He ended it I was crushed. Then he kept calling every now and then we lived far apart. He got married. Then after he was married he called me. I told him to stop because he was married. Then 20 years later he emailed me. I knew not to respond. I should have protected my husband and our love and fidelity.

I thought only of myself and how lonely and mistreated I felt. So I chose to kick my husband to the curb and started an EA with this JERK. This EA lasted 2 and half years. We met once only for dinner. NO SEX AT ALL.I thought of my BH the enter night. After that night I knew I need to work on my marriage and the way to do that was to stop texting and calling him, but I always found an excuse. I ending it only after my husband found out there was an email exchange on a business web site. I contracted once more to warn him not to reply to any text or email sent.

The truth about how long the EA was took months for me to admit, I got some bad counsel. It was not until I found the MB site and we watched it together and I told him about meeting OM for dinner. I have and will continue to answer all his questions, but I'm always afraid of his painful reaction. It has been a year since Dday and I have never contacted and never will contact the OM again. My husband exposed the EA to the OM�s wife, some of his family and some friends.

We have read Surviving an Affair. But we seem to be stuck in the UA time is all spent talking about difficult feelings. We are not able to move into anything good, just pain. I believe we need to fill out the EN�s form and LB forms. I am afraid he will never be able to forgive me. I am so sorry for the pain I have caused him and my children. All I want is to have a great marriage to love and honor my husband, and hopefully he will love and honor me someday.

Please give me some advice.




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When did you send the No Contact Letter?

Please list your Extraordinary Precautions.

Please send your BH here so we can help the both of you recover your marriage.

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Trueform,

Now when you say no sex, did you kiss the OM, for many Hs whose wives have not kissed them passionately for years kissing is very definitely sex. Phone sex and other indirect means count as as well. Whatever you do, do not use definitions to limit your disclosure.

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My husband did not want a No Contact Letter sent.Because of the amount of time it took for disclosure.

He spoke to the OM's wife on the phone and sent her emails. They talked many times.

EP My BH has access to my email, Fb and all cell phone calls online.

There was one kiss,but not passionate, no phone sex.


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Clearly you can do better than that ... your lack of details and care for your husband speaks volumes in your posts.

Now ... for comparison ... here is a list of EP's that are needed.

Originally Posted by herpapabear
A) Blocking all communication with Affair Partners (AP�s)
B) Accounting for all of your time
C) Accounting for all money
D) Spending your leisure time with your wife.

EP�s are put into place to protect your spouse.

Protection = Care

EP�s are also designed to ELIMINATE the opportunity to have a secret second life.

Ok, so let�s talk about two different categories you need to create in your list of EP�s.

The first category is a list of one-time EPs that you will need to make sure you complete quickly.

The second category is a list of EPs that you will follow for a lifetime.

So let�s start with the first category items.

(what follows are SUGGESTIONS, remember this is going to be YOUR list)


A) Change cell phone number and give password & account access to your spouse.
B) Change email account.
C) Eliminate all social networking accounts (i.e., Face book, Classmates, My Space, etc.)
D) Take a polygraph
E) Make a copy of my vehicle keys and any other keys my spouse does not have and give to them (i.e., safe deposit boxes, business keys, storage cabinets/lockers, etc.)
F) List out passwords for all business and personal computer logins, and any other passwords my spouse does not have access to.
G) Give my spouse access to any banking/financial accounts, business and personal.
H) Install software that tracks all internet use, giving my spouse administrative access.
I) Install a webcam/security cameras for while at work that my spouse can access.
J) I will contact an attorney that will work on my spouse�s behalf and write a post-nuptial agreement.
K) Sell the house/purchase a new one.
L) Sell any vehicle AP was in and replace them.


Category #2 is a little more along the lines of EPs that you need to maintain on a continuous, consistent basis.

A) I will protect my spouse and their feelings above all else.
B) I will not participate in any one-on-one meetings with anyone of the opposite sex.
C) I will not discuss my personal marriage issues with anyone of the opposite sex.
D) I will not attend clubs, strip joints, or any such establishment
E) I agree to use POJA as a basis for all decisions.
F) I will be open and honest with my spouse at all times about the past and present.
G) I will provide my spouse a daily schedule of all appointments and contact information.
H) If I need to make an adjustment to my schedule, I will notify my spouse of the change immediately.
I) I will make my spouse�s phone calls my highest priority by answering them or returning them immediately.
J) I will avoid all chat rooms, porn, member sites, etc.
K) I will trade phones with my spouse at any time they request, NO questions asked.
L) I will leave my phone accessible to my spouse at night/or anytime I�m home.
M) I will commit to at least 15 hours of undivided attention with my spouse to meet each other�s ENs every week (time working together does not count toward those 15 hours).
N) If AP finds a way to make contact, I will immediately end the contact and notify my spouse about it immediately after.
O) I will install a keylogger, GPS, or any other tracking system my spouse may request.
P) Anytime I have the thought, �I don�t want my spouse to know about��.�, I will call my spouse immediately and tell them my thoughts.
Q) Anything else my spouse wants as a boundary.

Use this as a starting point for working further on your EPs. Add and change items that suit your situation.

Whatever you do, put your list together and post it on your own thread and then allow for some feedback from those that have been through this exercise. We want you to perfect your list before offering it to your spouse. There is so very little that a wayward can truly offer as compensation for the huge amount of damage caused by such a selfish act as adultery that we want to make sure this is done well. The continuation of your marriage is riding on these actions!

Your rationalization and lack of umph for change scares the daylights out of me, and I am only viewing them packet style.

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Trueform,

You can offer to take a polygraph if your BH still doubts your honesty, he may even doubt the paternity of your children and you can offer to take an STD tests too. He may feel that his entire marriage was a sham with him as a fill in until OM showed up again.

God Bless
Gamma

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Originally Posted by Trueform
We have read Surviving an Affair. But we seem to be stuck in the UA time is all spent talking about difficult feelings. We are not able to move into anything good, just pain.

Hi Trueform, welcome to Marriage Builders. The most glaring issue I see here is that the affair is still being discussed and you are not using your UA in a productive way.

UA time should be spent having a good time, ie: meeting the top 4 intimate emotional needs of conversation, affection, recreational companionship and sexual fulfillment. I would focus on being as pleasant as possible and making your dates romantic and effective.

When did your husband have the full truth from you? How long ago?

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I have and will continue to answer all his questions, but I'm always afraid of his painful reaction.

Does he have the full truth about the affair? Once all the facts have been disclosed, the subject should be dropped forever. Does he feel he has the full truth?


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My BH has all passwords to all accounts. He can see anything he wants.
I changed my cell phone number. I offered to change or close the Fb page I have, because he has full access to it he said it is ok to keep it. I never used Fb to message the OM. I agree to all the EP's that you posted. Most every day my Bh comes home for lunch. If I leave the house I let him know where I am going. Most of the time to pick up kids, go to church, or grocery shopping. This is the first time I have ever used a chat room.

I have offered to take a polygraph. Let me be very clear I have never had sex with any one but my Bh in 21 years of our marriage.

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You never used it true but what's stopping OM from using it to contact you. It defeats the point of changing the other means of communication IMHO. especially if your a SAHM. You could message OM and delete said message or vice versa. Please don't counter with the fact you have self control because if you did you wouldn't of got into an EA. save the I didn't have sex talk. Prove it with a polygraph and be honest you going to dinner would of been a first step. I'M SURE OM HAD SEX ON HIS MIND. if your BH didn't find out you WOULD have. That's why you hid the contact from your BH.

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The Om does not have access to my Fb my Bh set it up and checks it. I would be willing to do anything.

The UA has only been spent talking about the all the pain. So we are not following the MB but he can not get past the pain and feels he can smile and have any fun.

I took so long to get everything out. He has had all the truth for about 7 months.


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Originally Posted by Trueform
The UA has only been spent talking about the all the pain. So we are not following the MB but he can not get past the pain and feels he can smile and have any fun.

Thanks trueform. One of the reasons he is having a tough time is because he continues to talk about it. That makes it harder for him to get past the pain. And it makes his marriage a very, very unpleasant place.

Can you send him here so we can help him with this?

Do you have the book Surviving an Affair?


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Yes we have read the Surviving an Affair book.

He knows I am on this board I talked with him about posting before I did. We have spent many hours reading this board as well.


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Originally Posted by Trueform
Yes we have read the Surviving an Affair book.

He knows I am on this board I talked with him about posting before I did. We have spent many hours reading this board as well.

Are you guys planning on following the program outlined in SAA? Do you need help?


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I believe that MB has the best plan for recovery. Yes I do need help that is why am here. I love my husband and want a great marriage.


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Good! Well, the first step is to stop talking about the affair and plan enjoyable activities for your UA time. Will your husband stop talking about it?

If you can, I would spring for the workbook because it has all the worksheets with instructions in it. One important worksheet is the undivided attention worksheet. Rip it out and make copies. Sit down and make copies and schedule out your time for the next week. They sell it for $11 here.

You can also listen to the radio every day for free. It is a great resource for help in recovering your marriage. radio show here


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Or it's a free app on smartphones. MB radio.

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I do listen to the radio show most days.
I have also listened to the all the shows (His needs her needs, LB's etc.) with dr.H and his wife that are on the MB

My Bh is ocd (his term) about dates, I gave him all the cell phone records he can remember all the text messages dates and times.


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Originally Posted by Trueform
I do listen to the radio show most days.
I have also listened to the all the shows (His needs her needs, LB's etc.) with dr.H and his wife that are on the MB

Do you mean the radio shows? Or their recorded lessons?



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live radio shows and recorded lessons.

I do not have a smart phone so no apps.


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