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Stumbled upon this one, an interesting read. Let's see what others with "MB eyes" pick out of this situation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/m...al-playbook.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


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"For a thoughtful person, it�s remarkable how little thought I really gave to it until it was too late. But I think a lot of it came down to: I was in a world and a profession that had me wanting people�s approval. By definition, when you are a politician, you want people to like you, you want people to respond to what you�re doing, you want to learn what they want to hear so you can say it to them. "

Hmmm. Admiration Junky. Empty Admiration.


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Originally Posted by DidntQuit
"For a thoughtful person, it�s remarkable how little thought I really gave to it until it was too late. But I think a lot of it came down to: I was in a world and a profession that had me wanting people�s approval. By definition, when you are a politician, you want people to like you, you want people to respond to what you�re doing, you want to learn what they want to hear so you can say it to them. "

Hmmm. Admiration Junky. Empty Admiration.

Yep.

And NO thought to/consideration of the damage/hurt this caused his wife. None. This is the answer to the BS's "How could you do that when you knew how much it would hurt me?"



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SMH... burn the effigy, right?


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...Even Jon Stewart, a friend of Weiner�s since the late �80s, did not hold back. �I may have been impeached by some sort of comedy board if I hadn�t made all those Weiner jokes,� he says. When I ask Stewart if, knowing Weiner for so long, the scandal surprised him, he said: �It did, in that you never expect the person you know to be the guy on TV in the middle of the quagmire, but it didn�t surprise me in that we�re all human. So it�s not like, �My God, I can�t believe the depravity!� First of all, in terms of these types of scandals, the depravity was on a very low scale.�



�We create a two-dimensional effigy of an individual and just kind of burn it in the town square and then walk away,� Stewart says. �As someone who is part of the process that does that to people, when I talked to him, it was more from that perspective than anything else, to say: �As low as you are, please understand that what�s happening to you right now isn�t really happening to you, it�s happening to whatever caricature we�ve all created of you. You have your own responsibility in this, but it�s not to us. I know it�s hard to separate yourself from that, but I hope you can at some level.� �


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�Anthony and I had not spent more than 10 consecutive days together until I was pregnant and we went to Italy and France for two weeks,� she told me. �That was the longest period of time we�d ever spent together. Later, when we thought about it, we didn�t realize that so much of our lives were kind of these snippets of, we see each other for a few days and then are separated.�

MB eyes, not WH-bashing eyes...


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Weiner will make a comeback. He's got even more notoriety and name recognition than ever now. Just has to wait a bit for people to forget why they remember the name.

I wouldn't have believe such to be true. When you've got an MB view on things you know these persons are completely unreliable and unelectable. However, like the idiot voters in South Carolina that for some reason thought electing Mark Sanford into Congress during a special election, there are enough stupid persons in the world that read a voting ballot and say "Mmmmm...Mark Sanford [or Anthony Weiner], I've heard of him" and simply check the box next to that name.

Mark Sanford Wins special election

Then again...republican controlled South Carolina Legislature and Secretary of State Mark Hammond purchased and maintain computer (Direct Electronic Recording) voting booths from republican owned corporations so any voting result in South Carolina is suspect. Corporations and Billionaires liked Mark Sanford when he was Governor so there is nothing they wouldn't do to have another friend in Congress.

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Maybe I'm weird... but I didn't read it to knock a politician. Nor to elevate him.

Instead, I read an interview with a husband and a wife two years after an affair... and looked at things like the statement I quoted.

Looking at a marriage rather than a pair of politicians.

Though, the political lifestyle certainly presents challenges to a marriage.


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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Maybe I'm weird... but I didn't read it to knock a politician. Nor to elevate him.

Instead, I read an interview with a husband and a wife two years after an affair... and looked at things like the statement I quoted.

Ditto

I fall on the "side" of hoping that their marriage can completely recover.
That's about the gist of it.

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Originally Posted by MrWondering
Weiner will make a comeback. He's got even more notoriety and name recognition than ever now. Just has to wait a bit for people to forget why they remember the name.

I wouldn't have believe such to be true. When you've got an MB view on things you know these persons are completely unreliable and unelectable. However, like the idiot voters in South Carolina that for some reason thought electing Mark Sanford into Congress during a special election, there are enough stupid persons in the world that read a voting ballot and say "Mmmmm...Mark Sanford [or Anthony Weiner], I've heard of him" and simply check the box next to that name.

Mark Sanford Wins special election

Then again...republican controlled South Carolina Legislature and Secretary of State Mark Hammond purchased and maintain computer (Direct Electronic Recording) voting booths from republican owned corporations so any voting result in South Carolina is suspect. Corporations and Billionaires liked Mark Sanford when he was Governor so there is nothing they wouldn't do to have another friend in Congress.

Mr. W

Really?
Then why isn't there an investigation and the vote Fraud people prosecuted?
Since there is a socialist democrat president he could send federal agents to conduct the investigation

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a socialist democrat president he could send federal agents to conduct the investigation

You credit our sitting Ayatollah with far too much integrity!

He'd just order the ever-compliant IRS weasels to do the DNC's dirty-work!

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Maybe I'm weird... but I didn't read it to knock a politician. Nor to elevate him.

Instead, I read an interview with a husband and a wife two years after an affair... and looked at things like the statement I quoted.

Ditto

I fall on the "side" of hoping that their marriage can completely recover.
That's about the gist of it.


That's why I also included the Jon Stewart quote; as stated, Stewart is a long time friend, but he is also a comedian with a television show. And what he did during that time, though comedic, is no different than what most people do with somebody of high visibility.

And yet, doing that... one fails to consider the spouse. Just like the poster who shows up here wracked with pain over their spouse's affair. This man's wife is no different;

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They haven�t been to a major event together � no White House Correspondents Dinner, no red-carpet events � in nearly two years. �We didn�t want to make other people uncomfortable,� Abedin said, �but also, we just didn�t want to deal with it. I have now gotten used to people asking, over and over again, �How is Anthony?� Oh, he�s good! �But how is he doing?� He�s doing fine.�


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Abedin�s memory of this moment is a little sharper. �The weekend was over, we�re about to leave, the car is packed, and Anthony said: �I have something to tell you. I can�t lie to you anymore. It�s true. It�s me. The picture is me. I sent it. Yes, these stories about the other women are true.� And it was every emotion that one would imagine: rage and anger and shock. But more than anything else, in the immediate, it was disbelief. The thing that I consciously remember saying over and over and over again is: �I don�t understand. What is going on? What�s happening to our lives?� �


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I felt like I couldn�t breathe,� Abedin says. �I felt like I was in an airplane really high in the air, and all of a sudden, the plane is coming apart at the seams, and I am just doing all I can to hang on for dear life. That is what it felt like.�


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When I ask Abedin if Clinton guided her through those first terrible days, she says: �We�ve had a lot of personal conversations, none of which I feel comfortable talking about. But what I will say about her, and for that matter her entire family, the unconditional love and support they have given me has been a real gift. And I think she would be O.K. with me saying this, because I know she has said this before: at the end of the day, at the very least, every woman should have the ability and the confidence and the choice to make whatever decisions she wants to make that are right for her and not be judged by it.�

And the short term plan, I find, was agreeable;

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Abedin returned on June 15. �She sneaks to meet me in the trunk of her friend�s car,� Weiner says. �Then we go away to another friend�s house in the Hamptons, just the two of us, trying to figure out if we can save our marriage and what we�re going to do and everything else. First, there was the decision to resign. Huma didn�t really want me to, frankly. But I just had to cull that part of the conversation out of our lives and focus on my marriage, my family, her family. I just didn�t have any bandwidth. My career seemed the least important of all of those other things. That wasn�t easy for Huma. Her frame was: We�ve gotta get back to normal somehow.� But he had made up his mind. The next day, while Abedin stayed behind in their apartment in Queens, Weiner held a chaotic four-minute news conference at a senior center in his district, at which hecklers nearly shouted him out of the room, one yelling, �Goodbye, pervert!�


Being "rich and famous" doesn't change how recovery progresses;

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�But in the confines of our home and our relationship and our parenting this child and our love for each other � she said she wanted to get through it, she wanted not to conflate the giant international news story with the two people who were involved in it. And a lot of women couldn�t do that. And Jordan has given us a lot of perspective. We have to deal with this a lot. It�s not behind us. It kind of bubbles around and comes up in different ways. But she�s, um. . . .� Here, he paused and took a deep breath and started to cry. �She�s given. . . .� He stopped again, could barely get the words out. �She�s given me another chance. And I am very grateful for that. And I�m trying to make sure I get it right.�

That was what was interesting to me.

Beyond that last quote, it devolves into "will he run again?"



Mr. Weiner... simply for the sake of your marriage... I hope not.


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Originally Posted by MrWondering
I wouldn't have believe such to be true.

If Michael Moore can run a ficus plant in New Jersey...


Bleh.

I didn't post this to start tossing around politics.


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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Maybe I'm weird... but I didn't read it to knock a politician. Nor to elevate him.

Instead, I read an interview with a husband and a wife two years after an affair... and looked at things like the statement I quoted.

Ditto

I fall on the "side" of hoping that their marriage can completely recover.
That's about the gist of it.


I didn't read the whole article. I hope their marriage recovers too. I had just heard the night before that Sanford had won that special election and thought that was relevant to the discussion. Perhaps the MB hole in their logic is his marriage doesn't need him running for political office again. As we say, a drunk doesn't need to hang out with his drinking friends at bars anymore. These two need to find a way to work together hereafter...maybe working on someone else's campaign TOGETHER.




Nobody can investigate DRE machines for fraud because they are designed to operate without any way to prove fraud.

Obama rocks, though I'm still disappointed they sold us out to the health insurance companies and hospitals and didn't try for a single payer health care system. This half-measure won't work. The insurance companies designed it to work for them and they don't have our interests at heart. Corporations aren't people. Insurance companies don't care and can't be part of any solution. Eventually the doctors are going to have to lead this fight. Medicare and Veteran's hospitals for all.

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Do you also approve of Obamas support for gay marriage?

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If this continues down a path of political discussion, I will quite simply request for it to be locked.

I don't care who loves our president, or who hates our president, nor do I care about your stance on healthcare or same-sex marriage.

None of that has anything to do with your knowledge of MB concepts.

I posted this to look at a high profile marriage, and what things look like 2 years after a very public revelation of infidelity in that marriage.




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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
I posted this to look at a high profile marriage, and what things look like 2 years after a very public revelation of infidelity in that marriage.

hurray


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The thought that ANY political party has your best interests in mind is laughable.

And that IS the MB message. Just as the primary source of meeting your emotional needs is your spouse, the same is true when it comes to the political realm.

Folks are having this affair with one of the two major political parties. They buy into the fantasy that the DNC or the GOP can make things wonderful.

The truth is, needs are best met locally, not federally.

Just as your emotional needs are best met by your spouse.

So to turn the political discussion back to MB, I just view both of the two major parties as being about as real as any affair partner. They both are selling a fantasy.

The sooner we all come out of the political fog the better off we all will be a building a better life for ourselves, our children and grandchildren.

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I don't know how you can bring a high profile politicians case up on a forum and not expect it to be political.
As for gay marriage, Dr Harley publicly opposes gay marriage and has testified in legislative hearings against it, in addition to writing a book on the subject

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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
None of that has anything to do with your knowledge of MB concepts.

I posted this to look at a high profile marriage, and what things look like 2 years after a very public revelation of infidelity in that marriage.

One major affair differences with a high profile marriage is that the exposure is usually provided as a public service instead of the by the BS. The causes seem typical: Getting needs met outside of marriage through work and online admiration, not setting boundaries, not putting your spouse first, nights apart, not being O&H.

His explanation of the admiration fix sounds so similar to Beth's on the April 18th radio show. She described her serial cheating, sex addict husband's obsession with admiration as his primary motivation. Dr. Harley agreed.

Politicians, religious leaders & other officials need EPs just like the rest of us. I guess that the difficulty might come for some when their paycheck is tied to the public admiration or their loyalty to entities other than their spouse.

I can't imagine trying to compete with the contrast effect of admiration coming from those with an agenda.

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Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight
I don't know how you can bring a high profile politicians case up on a forum and not expect it to be political.

You don't?

I do; it's a case study, rather than actively helping a poster. So, I looked at what this person and his wife were saying.

You see, when I post to someone, I don't stop and think; is this person a Democrat, or Republican? What church do they attend? Are they pro-life, or pro-choice?

I say; here is a marriage, here are the things that they state are going on, here is the standard advice based on MB radio, MB books, and the available articles.

Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight
As for gay marriage, Dr Harley publicly opposes gay marriage and has testified in legislative hearings against it, in addition to writing a book on the subject

As for gay marriage; YOU introduced it to this conversation.

It has nothing to do with applying MB to my marriage, nor with helping others apply it to their marriage. Nor does discussing your stance make you a better or worse poster. It's irrelevant to helping others learn this program.


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Originally Posted by DidntQuit
Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
None of that has anything to do with your knowledge of MB concepts.

I posted this to look at a high profile marriage, and what things look like 2 years after a very public revelation of infidelity in that marriage.

One major affair differences with a high profile marriage is that the exposure is usually provided as a public service instead of the by the BS. The causes seem typical: Getting needs met outside of marriage through work and online admiration, not setting boundaries, not putting your spouse first, nights apart, not being O&H.

His explanation of the admiration fix sounds so similar to Beth's on the April 18th radio show. She described her serial cheating, sex addict husband's obsession with admiration as his primary motivation. Dr. Harley agreed.

Politicians, religious leaders & other officials need EPs just like the rest of us. I guess that the difficulty might come for some when their paycheck is tied to the public admiration or their loyalty to entities other than their spouse.

I can't imagine trying to compete with the contrast effect of admiration coming from those with an agenda.


I would say that the emphasis on exposure is one small advantage in that case, though.


"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Niels Bohr

"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." - Michael Shermer

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