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I just heard from Joyce Harley and you should have also.
Please check the email address you used when you registered for MB.
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How do you think he would answer this question:
"IF there was a way for us to have an exclusive, happy, loving M together where we both have all our needs met and never do things to each other that make us unhappy...would you want that with me?" I text him and said I enjoy texting with him, he replied "It does not mean we are getting back together." To which I replied, I understand, I was just stating that and I am not expecting anything. He did not respond. I asked him that question and he did not respond. I think ANY talk about us is off limits..
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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I'm not a veteran poster, but i do know that in his current frame of mind, i feel that ANY R related discussions should be taken off the table.
Keep doing your best Plan A and you seem to have the right feelings about Not having ANY expectations. Continue to avoid any LB's and meet the minimal opportunities allowed to make LB deposits.
LTL I completely agree, anything relating to us makes him react negatively. But he does not object if we stay off that topic. I mentally tell myself "You are not expecting anything, you smile because it makes you happy, you text him because it is a nice gesture,you encourage him because he needs admiration, etc" Lol.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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I'm pretty sure Dr. Harley would advise you not to have sex with him. Not sure about that. I have heard him a number of times encourage a BS in Plan A to meet ANY EN's they can to attract them back into the M. Good question though in this situation. If you can be a caller on the radio program, I would be interested in hearing Dr. Harley's opinion on this for you. What is the phone number to call? I was looking on the Radio but could not find it... Thank you 20YH.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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Tough call. Somehow he needs hope that you CAN have a good M. Most likely, he is not convinced you can/have changed to eliminate all of your LB's.
Or asking his opinion on things. Such as, "through your eyes, where did I go wrong in our marriage?" and Not be defensive with his responses.
I think that telling him the specific things that you have done wrong and that you are committed to never doing these things again needs to be communicated.
See, I think he knows that his best POSSIBLE chance at happiness is with you. How is he going to see this?
Unless you are ready to throw in the towel, you are going to have to get to work trying to meet as many of his EN's as possible. Spending time with him showing him the new you!
You do know that Plan B is not intended to win your spouse back...right? I received SAA today, will start reading and still waiting on LB. I am trying to meet his EN's, and now w/o expectations. I did not realize Plan B was to not get the spouse back.. I know he thinks I have not changed, in the past I would question us etc on a daily basis, so speaking about us now just shows him that is all I am thinking about. Gosh this is difficult.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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I just heard from Joyce Harley and you should have also.
Please check the email address you used when you registered for MB. Did you see this? Did you get the email?
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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Markos, thank you for your insight. I guess when I get in touch with Harley's I will know how to move forward. As far SF, it is pretty high on my EN also lol. That was why I started to feel distant, because of his lessened need.
JustUss, THANK YOU so much. I will wait and attempt to get in touch with them.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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I just heard from Joyce Harley and you should have also.
Please check the email address you used when you registered for MB. Did you see this? Did you get the email? Just saw it, and no I have not yet. I will keep checking though and keep you updated. Thanks BH!
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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Check your spam folder. You're going to get through this. If you learn and follow the MB concepts you will recovery yourself. MB May not recover your marriage, but you can use them to recover yourself. 
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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Is there an email I should add to my contacts so that it does not get sent to spam?
Thanks BH, at the moment I feel that, regardless of what happens in our marriage, I want and need to come out a happier and better person.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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Is there an email I should add to my contacts so that it does not get sent to spam?
Thanks BH, at the moment I feel that, regardless of what happens in our marriage, I want and need to come out a happier and better person. Enter this one mbradio@marriagebuilders.com. Also email JustUss at JustUss2@aol.com confirm your email that you're registered with and let them know. Also hit Notify and tell the MODS.
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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I received SAA today, will start reading and still waiting on LB. I am trying to meet his EN's, and now w/o expectations. I did not realize Plan B was to not get the spouse back.. I know he thinks I have not changed, in the past I would question us etc on a daily basis, so speaking about us now just shows him that is all I am thinking about. Gosh this is difficult. You are getting the hang of it jma. Take the time to read the book. Everything will start to make sense...and that understanding will give you control and less stress.
ME: BW HIM: FWH Married 18 yrs DDay 09/2008 and 12/2008
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PF, I do hope so because right now I feel as lost as DDay. But with less tears.
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PF, I do hope so because right now I feel as lost as DDay. But with less tears. This is totally normal. You are experiencing new emotions with this new experience. Every time you ask him a question like you did, you are planting seeds of hope. Even if he doesn't respond, the seed of hope has been planted. Hope you can get some specific advice from Dr Harley this week. You are doing great. Keep focusing on how to make you better right now. That is all you can do. He is very foggy right now and trying to figure out what direction he wants to take his life. Hang in there. Even though there are no guarantees how this is going to work out, I really believe you are giving yourself the best chance to R.
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Okay everyone, I will be on the radio tomorrow! Whatever insight yall have after the radio please let me know.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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Okay everyone, I will be on the radio tomorrow! Whatever insight yall have after the radio please let me know. Fantastic, I'll be listening.
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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I'm pretty sure Dr. Harley would advise you not to have sex with him. Not sure about that. I have heard him a number of times encourage a BS in Plan A to meet ANY EN's they can to attract them back into the M. Good question though in this situation. If you can be a caller on the radio program, I would be interested in hearing Dr. Harley's opinion on this for you. That is inaccurate. Dr Harley would not encourage a betrayed spouse to have sex with someone in an affair. No medical professional would. If you want to have sex with him and gamble then that's your choice. But you have a child and if he has AIDS then it won't help your child if both parents get it. How much are you willing to risk? Condoms aren't 100% safe.
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STDs are so common from affairs that Dr Harley discuses this on a event show and said that it how many betrayed spouses discover an affair... When they contract an STD from their cheating spouse!
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If exposure itself doesn't end the affair immediately, my advice regarding what to do next is usually different for husbands and wives. I encourage husbands to try to stick to avoiding arguments and meeting their unfaithful wives' basic needs (Plan A) as long as possible (six months to a year). But I usually encourage wives to separate after about three weeks if their husband is still in contact with his lover. My experience has taught me that the health of most women deteriorates quickly and significantly while living with an unfaithful husband. Men, on the other hand, tend to be able to weather the storm longer with fewer emotional or physical effects. I call the strategy of complete separation Plan B.
In addition to avoiding health problems, a separation also helps a betrayed spouse hang on to what remains in their spouse's Love Bank account. Daily interaction with an unfaithful spouse causes such large withdrawals, that a separation with no contact between spouses can actually help the marriage by temporarily freezing the betrayed spouse's Love Bank. When the affair is over, the betrayed spouse is less likely to divorce when the unfaithful spouse wants to give the marriage a chance to recover. How to Survive an Affair
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Ok everyone, I was on the radio today and did receive a lot of good information.
I am going to relisten to it and write down main ideas.
Dr. Harley did say it would be interesting to hear his side of the story... should I ask or say anything to WH?
Any other tips, beside working on my angry outbursts?
Also SF, I will think on it before I decided to go forward and come here with my plan.
BW: 23 FWH: 24 Married: 3 years, together 7. DS: 6 D-Day: 7/15/2013 Separated since 7/15/13 Recovering since 8/26/2013
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