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Originally Posted by DNT
Sunnytimes - glad you took time to review my story. Yes on all accounts. Focused...still focused...and this is where I am today. If you expect me to continue to self condemn then...sorry. I will fail 'you' in that regard..

Well, that it your choice, but you are now condemning HER for how she responded to your betrayal, going as far as to say that the problem in your marriage was really that she is possessed of the spirit of Jezebel demon.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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Originally Posted by markos
But it still doesn't mean this "spirit of Jezebel" phrase is a good idea for a husband with a bad marriage to use about his wife. Even if she's wayward! It's disrespectful, and it's definitely not taken from the Bible, other than pitching some Bible vocabulary together.

Sin is sin, absolutely. I don't think that's what's at issue here.

"Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God" (1 Peter 4:11 http://biblehub.com/1_peter/4-11.htm)

Marcos, she is not the wayward. DNT is the wayward.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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I am not condemning her at all. I have owned my own truth and now I'm acknowledging a spiritual truth about us collectively. I was an Ahab...I did not operate in my God given role as leader and protective covering for our marriage and family. You can't have one spirit without the other. I want deliverance not only myself, and her, but for everyone who deal with it. Most importantly because it WILL effect our children without repentance. Whether you fully understand how it operates is not my issue. If you desire to take more time understanding it you can start here dealing with me: http://www.jezebelspirit.net/Evil_Spirit_of_Ahab.html then work your way out.


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As Markos posted, she will be offended if you tell her she is under the control of Satan or another evil spirit. It will not help any potential recovery.
Haven't told her. Not telling her. There is a very specific way to deal with it.

DNT, are you referencing this spirit in relation to your wife in the book you are writing about your story?

What is the way you will deal with accusing your wife of being possessed by a demon after she availed herself of a remedy given to her by Christ himself if a spouse is unfaithful?


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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You were an unfaithful spouse. You made conscious choices to watch porn, have sexual additions, have inappropriate opposite sex dialog and to cheat multiple times.

Her reaction is NORMAL, and PERMITTED BY CHRIST. Not demon inspired.

As you will see in the MB forums here, your selfish behaviors while you were cheating on her extended far beyond the cheating; while doing so, you were emotionally unavailable to give or receive love.

Her withdrawal from you during this time (experiencing the side effects of your cheating but not having the knowledge of it yet) is NORMAL. Christ knows this happens when people cheat so he gave the betrayed spouse permission to leave the marriage.

It is beyond astonishing that you are in any way insinuating she is demon possessed, needs to repent and going as far as to say she is so toxic that you cannot even pray for her under the theory it may create soul tie and taint you.

She is simply your victim, and you are again victimizing her with this line of conjecture.





Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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Sunnytimes. I wasn't my XW enemy, neither was she my enemy. I was not her victim, neither was she my victim. If you BELEIVE in the totalality of scripture then you you beleive this: Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Now, if you don't beleive that then we don't have a premise for exchange regarding that topic. Just to clarify...no she is not "DEMON POSSESED" as if to suggest some Hollywood horror scene. It is subtle but pervasive spiritual oppression that affects many Christian housholds and other settings.

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Originally Posted by DNT
I am not condemning her at all. I have owned my own truth and now I'm acknowledging a spiritual truth about us collectively.

A spiritual truth, says WHO?

You are accusing her of being demon possessed. You are accusing her of needing repentance. You are accusing her of being so toxic you don't dare to pray for her.

It is beyond disrespectful to assume you ascertain ANY spiritual truth of hers.

Your head is so far into its fog. Honestly, in reading this thread, it occurs to me that your fog may never have lifted and your Plan A was doomed because you may have still been having foggy behavior towards her.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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Originally Posted by DNT
neither was she my victim.

Fog.

You cheat on your wife many times in many ways and say she was not your victim?


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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You have NO idea the pain such a betrayal causes to its victim, yes VICTIM.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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smile I am begining to understand where you are. Actually, my XW and I have talked about her pain and she lets me know that she has been making great strides. I am very familiar with other stories and MB principles and this is outside the scope. Good talking with you.

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I'm not sure what you mean by your reference to where I am.

I just picked up some vibes from your Jezebel thread here that didn't feel right, and went back to find, to my astonishment, that this wife in such a need for repentance - so much so that you couldn't pray for her - was the betrayed spouse.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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Originally Posted by DNT
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Yes, DNT, there are powers that a Christian wrestles with.

However, in Romans we are told "Should we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid."

Romans clearly tells us that we are to blame for our own sinfulness.

I have to run some errands so I don't have the ability for a prolonged theological discussion, but there are a number of contradictions in your statements verses the teachings of Scripture. You are making a few leaps too far in some of the logic.


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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Originally Posted by Sunnytimes
You are making a few leaps too far in some of the logic.

For example, when you would say things like this to your wife:

quote from your wife's text: "I can just still hear you calling them [the children] distractions and saying the devil is using them and demanding they stay in separate rooms from us with gritted teeth."


Are you living in a covenant with death? With bitterness in your marriage? Read Isaiah 28. The bed will not be long enough or the covers wide enough for you to ever find comfort in that life. In Isaiah 28, God tells you to take a stick and beat these conditions out of your life.

Isaiah 28:29 "This [command] also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working."
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