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Originally Posted by mskeysd2010
I have a husband that is emotionally there for me. He wants to be around me all the time, I mean all the time. Ok, I get it. He loves me. However, when all of that is over real life still happens. I married my husband thinking that he knew how to handle being the head of the household. That means making sound decisions and planning for our future. I have watched my husband fumble around in the dark and I would ask what are you doing. I would offer my help in the areas he wasn't strong in. He rejected them. He has made financial decisions that has put the family in extreme debt. I lost the car that I came into the marriage with because he could not keep up with the car payments. I lost my job and unemployment benefits over the last few years and advised him to sit with me so we can come up with a plan if I was going to continue to stay home. He would not. He refused. Nothing has been stable since. It is embarrassing for my family to have to ask me if I have enough food to eat. On top of all this I am expecting. My husband has expressed to me that he did not learn how to be a husband for certain family reasons. Yet, he refused to allow me to be a help to him, until he couldn't fix the mess that he got us in. I am angry and disappointed. This 4 year issue has hurt my intimacy with my husband and our friendship. I love my husband. I am committed to him. However, I cannot continue to go on being close with him when these issues are not being handled.

I was asked what I wanted in a man because he felt like I was not attracted to him anymore. All I want is stability. I don't want to feel like I have to be the grown up. Frankly, my husband is not mature, even down to hygiene. He once told me that I had to remind him to take care of his hygiene. I said I am not responsible for that. Anyway, how do you handle being married to someone that is not mature in the simple things of life?

Sounds like your H is a conflict avoider and perhaps ego plays a part too. Have you told him you are getting increasingly unhappy and are falling out of love with him? I don't know where your line is but I would be very clear to him that you two need to resolve these issues so you don't end up falling out of love or divorced.


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Originally Posted by indiegirl
I have to say I was alarmed to hear someone describing their spouse as immature. I really hope you don't say that kind of thing to him out loud do you? That kind of harsh criticism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Few men who believed this about themselves would succeed in life.

My ex was/is immature. I never said that to him but he was (in some ways not all) and I've heard many women describe their Hs as such. I even hear a lot of men describe other men as immature. Some men (and women) just are.


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Sure, and there are people I would describe as immature.

Certainly not a spouse though, not after coming here to MB. One of the key parts of the program is to avoid 'diagnosing' your spouse's traits with disrespectful judgements. Let's remember that even truthful things can be disrespectful. Instead of diagnosing traits, you should specify what behaviours you dislike, ask for change, phrasing it as your concern not their bad trait that needs fixing by clever old you. However truthful or however superior you feel your reasoning is, it is not a reason for disrespect.

I'm not sure whether that's happening here (i.e. that she has said this out loud) but honestly I would avoid diagnosing him at all. Once you get an idea that someone is inferior fixed in your head, it shows. It is simply not helpful. Her problems are how to respectfully ask him whether he will do A or B and what her response should be if he does not. Her job does not involve diagnosing a cause as to why he does not, she is not his shrink. All she can do is request and respond.

I would describe my ex as immature too, but that's because it doesn't matter how I speak about him while he is on the other side of the world and I am no longer responsible for dealing respectfully with him!

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I've heard many women describe their Hs as such.


See the OP is anonymous, what you describe is far worse. I would feel very sorry for someone whose spouse behaved like this. Bad mouthing your spouse publicly is not likely to be a PoJA'd, RH behaviour. It is downright ugly.



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Originally Posted by indiegirl
Sure, and there are people I would describe as immature.

Certainly not a spouse though, not after coming here to MB. One of the key parts of the program is to avoid 'diagnosing' your spouse's traits with disrespectful judgements. Let's remember that even truthful things can be disrespectful. Instead of diagnosing traits, you should specify what behaviours you dislike, ask for change, phrasing it as your concern not their bad trait that needs fixing by clever old you. However truthful or however superior you feel your reasoning is, it is not a reason for disrespect.

I'm not sure whether that's happening here (i.e. that she has said this out loud) but honestly I would avoid diagnosing him at all. Once you get an idea that someone is inferior fixed in your head, it shows. It is simply not helpful. Her problems are how to respectfully ask him whether he will do A or B and what her response should be if he does not. Her job does not involve diagnosing a cause as to why he does not, she is not his shrink. All she can do is request and respond.

I would describe my ex as immature too, but that's because it doesn't matter how I speak about him while he is on the other side of the world and I am no longer responsible for dealing respectfully with him!

Originally Posted by black_raven
I've heard many women describe their Hs as such.


See the OP is anonymous, what you describe is far worse. I would feel very sorry for someone whose spouse behaved like this. Bad mouthing your spouse publicly is not likely to be a PoJA'd, RH behaviour. It is downright ugly.

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In fact I think this poster would be very well served to put all concept of 'issues' in the bin and instead to put action on the front burner.

When he offered to change his hygiene routine with reminders, it was an excellent opportunity to negotiate. She could still have refused to remind him, if that irked her, but instead worked out with him an easy to remember routine, that was part of their daily routine as a couple.

However she's too focused on being in a teaching role because he she is so convinced he has issues. Instead of creating an opportuninty to act, she instead took the opportunity to lecture. To teach what she felt was/wasn't her responsibility. As a point it is a fine one to make as far as that goes. I am also sure the lesson was well delivered, but did any action result?

She doesn't need to prove she is 'right' in order to get a complaint fixed. Of course she is allowed to have complaints and get them resolved. No matter who is smarter or more mature, we all have the right to have our complaints.


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"He once told me that I had to remind him to take care of his hygiene. I said I am not responsible for that. Anyway, how do you handle being married to someone that is not mature in the simple things of life?"

Oh my lord that sounds familiar. As a tween, I politely asked my parents for encouragement getting my homework done, as I tended to procrastinate and be irresponsible. To this day, I think it was a respectful and thoughtful thing for a tween to do, knowing he's struggling at school simply because he hates homework. My test scores were 99th percentile, but my grades were abysmal. My step-mother said "Do you want me to wipe your bottom too?" I was asking for assistance to learn the behavior they wanted me to have, but they weren't interested in solving the problem, just lecturing.

And yet, when my wife asked me essentially the same thing (she wanted a star chart for her daily routines and validation of her accomplishments,) and I gave essentially the same answer. "Why should I be responsible for that? No one pats my head when I do my job correctly." But I've since realized that she was reaching out in an attempt to better fulfill my needs, with a technique which would fulfill her in return. Now, she's become so hurt by the futile lecturing that she won't let me try it her way. I see a lot of parallels in your post and my marriage. I don't think of her as immature or inferior, but she is well aware that she presents a childlike persona to the world, and it makes it hard for people to treat her like an adult even when she wants to be treated as such.


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