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Wallflower, you can help your daughter with exposure by helping her write the letters and find the contacts. One thing you could do is call the parents of skankyhoe and have a discussion with them. Ask them to persuade their trashy daughter to leave your daughters marriage alone. Has Dr Harley ever recommended someone beside the BS execute exposure does anyone know? This is a question of a nursing mother's health. Her health will be greatly improved if she starts standing up for herself and her kids! Taking action is the best thing she can do. I'm convinced this BW is too chicken, but wondering if her mother can not just speak to the parents but hit all exposure targets in her stead. Would it make her daughter appear weak or does it simply not matter as long as the shame kills the A?. The daughter can choose to be strong today. I know she can do it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Have your DD listen to the clips in here. BSs Plan C is not a plan
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Yeah that's true. We all exposed even though our hands were shaking. It's a choice and she can make it right now.
What would you do if you were not afraid?
"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.
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Yeah that's true. We all exposed even though our hands were shaking. It's a choice and she can make it right now. Exactly!! We were all chicken, we were all scared to death. None of us had any courage. But we made a choice to act.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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They get very 'rabbit in the headlights' sometimes - all they hear is what the wayward says. That's how it felt last night. Like everything we had worked for all week (in which she showed great strength) and what I was saying to her that night, went out the window as he badgered her. It was as though she were in a trance under his power.
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Wallflower, please show your daughter this quote from Dr Harley and ask her to come here and post to us. "When a WS refuses to leave the lover, there are no good options for the BS. At first, plan A is recommended because there is a slim hope (15%) that, with encouragement, a WS will make the decision to leave the lover. But 85% don't do that, even when plan A is implemented perfectly.
That leaves two other choices which are both bad. The first is to continue plan A indefinitely, trying to encourage the WS to leave the lover, and the second is to initiate plan B, which is to completely separate from the WS.
The problem with a continuation of plan A is that it usually leads to severe emotional symptoms, including years of post-traumatic stress disorder, even when the WS eventually returns. Many women that I've counseled actually have nervous breakdowns in their effort to draw their WS back to them. Instead of making the BS attractive to the WS, plan A actually makes these poor women so unattractive that it completely eliminates all hope of reconciliation. And 95% of all affairs eventually "die a natural death." If you do absolutely nothing, they usually end.
So I've recommended plan B rather early in the effort to separate the WS from his lover. In your case, you've noticed that you have experienced a detached feeling about it all, even your husband's filing for divorce. That's the way it's supposed to turn out. You are far more attractive while in emotional control of yourself than you would ever be begging and pleading for his return. You tried that tactic already, and it hasn't worked.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Is DD's father in the picture to speak to her?
What is WH's family like? Do you think they will support DD or is their waywardness in his family? Unfortunately, I lost my DH due to cancer 13 yo. And just lost her grandfather, my dad, two years ago. Her grandfather had a good relationship with WH and adored DD. He would have been devastated by this news and I'm sure would have had more than a few words to say. WH's father passed away years ago as well. He also adored DD. So three significant male figureheads are not here. His family seems to support DD and are also devastated by the news. I know his sister and brothers have talked with him. We haven't because DD kept us "chained" because she didn't want to jeopardize WH talking with Dr. H. That's been very frustrating for us because we certainly have considered WH as part of our family and we sure want to give him an ear-full about how he is treating DD and the kids.
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Hugs and prayers to you and DD. Thank you, Black_Raven. We have been bombarding heaven with prayers. She knows we love and support her and are very concerned for her well-being, much less that his actions are intolerable.
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His family seems to support DD and are also devastated by the news. I know his sister and brothers have talked with him. We haven't because DD kept us "chained" because she didn't want to jeopardize WH talking with Dr. H. That's been very frustrating for us because we certainly have considered WH as part of our family and we sure want to give him an ear-full about how he is treating DD and the kids. WF, just so you know that is not how Dr Harley operates. He encourages exposure and encourages family members to express their displeasure to the WS. I am hoping your DD knows this is not the correct thing to do. If she wants to motivate her WH to speak to Dr Harley, then she needs to go into Plan B and make this a condition of reconciliation. Otherwise, he has absolutely no motivation while she continues to enable him. She is not being strategic in her approach and I hope this can change now.
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What is her posting name? 6 months in Plan A is way too long for her. How is she doing? She needs to finish exposure and get into Plan B. Can she get him out?[/quote] Here is her first post: http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/u...=choosingjoy&Search=true#Post2809067While she is quite strong in maintaining her composure, I have thought for sometime that she can't go on much longer like this. I think she had found grace and strength through prayer. I think that's the only thing assisting her in holding it together. Every once in a while she will break down exhausted and say "I'll feel so beaten up." The plan was pack his belongings, take to a friends, and ask him not to come back until she got the legal in place. He came back anyway despite this. Now she has to wait for something legal to remove him, but as I say - she canceled that appt.
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Wallflower, are you reading our posts?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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I am sure she misunderstood Steve Harley about epxosure, becuase it should have been exposed a long time ago. Regardless of whether she understood it correctly, she needs to get moving and do it now. I am perplexed by the disconnect here too. He suggested she do it after Plan B is enacted.
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Once he is out, she should send him a Plan B letter after she lines up an extremely strong willed, knowledgable intermediary who can handle her husband. Plan B letters were drafted a month ago! and IM already lined up but enacting Plan B was delayed after counsel with Dr. H.
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Once he is out, she should send him a Plan B letter after she lines up an extremely strong willed, knowledgable intermediary who can handle her husband. Plan B letters were drafted a month ago! and IM already lined up but enacting Plan B was delayed after counsel with Dr. H. I am sure there is a grave misunderstanding. Dr Harley did not tell your daughter to delay Plan B. I will contact him right now.
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I am reading your initial post and I don't see where Steve told her not to go into Plan B. I see where he told her to try and get the WS on the phone with him but he refused.
So can you tell me what was said that makes you all think Steve told her not to go into Plan B?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Once he is out, she should send him a Plan B letter after she lines up an extremely strong willed, knowledgable intermediary who can handle her husband. Plan B letters were drafted a month ago! and IM already lined up but enacting Plan B was delayed after counsel with Dr. H. I am sure there is a grave misunderstanding. Dr Harley did not tell your daughter to delay Plan B. I will contact him right now. I think she means Steve Harley and not Dr. Willard Harley.
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WF, the biggest red flag is your daughters timid approach to all this. That just scares the hell out of me. Do you know taht women have nervous breakdowns and try to commit suicide from being in these situations? This is a despertate situation and your daughters mental and physical health is at risk.
Dr Harley only recommends Plan A for women for 3-4 weeks!!
The husband HAS to be ejected from this home immediately even if she has to get an emergency order or move out herself. She cannot continue in this way.
Can she move in wtih you until she gets an order to get him out of the house? I know, Melody. I told her that but she was counseled otherwise. That's why I am so very concerned about her well-being. But when WH came home just as she was putting this plan into place and said he wants to work on the marriage, she buckled. She is absolutely more than welcome to stay with me. But remember, she canceled the appt. I have to convince her to go through with filing and have him removed from the house.
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I know, Melody. I told her that but she was counseled otherwise. What was said EXACTLY? Because that completely contradicts what you said in your first post. Here you said: When she came home she didn�t want to continue this way. She packed WH belongings and dropped them at a friend�s house. As coached by Dr. S. Harley, She told WH that for her own emotional well-being that she needed him to leave. She asked WH multiple times over a 3-4 week period to talk with Dr Harley. He has refused every time.
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I know, Melody. I told her that but she was counseled otherwise. What EXACTLY was she told?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Wallflower, you can help your daughter with exposure by helping her write the letters and find the contacts. One thing you could do is call the parents of skankyhoe and have a discussion with them. Ask them to persuade their trashy daughter to leave your daughters marriage alone. This was ready to go a month ago. Lists and letters ready! Dr. S.H. is recommending that she do this after Plan B is enacted and he's out of the house. I don't have any issues calling OW parents. May I use your terminology? I think I've come up with worse! But this all needs to be done quickly within a day's time. So just waiting for Plan B. But DD thinks WH is now going to work on the marriage. But he's dictating the rules and refuses to talk with Dr. S. H. I don't in the least believe he's truly sincere.
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