"You don't trust me!!!" is the CLASSIC refrain of cheaters. IT IS TEXTBOOK. People who have nothing to hide, don't hide.

But I would not have this discussion with her or she will hide better. Just keep snooping and be as clever as possible

My daughters phone is partially syncing with my wifes phone so i can see her browser history amd contacts. I noticed on her browser history today she is looking at cars for sale. I assume she is planning to buy her own car soon

i wonder if you can see some of her apps if you sync with itunes? Can you sync it with itunes?

Yeah i tried it but it I dont know my wifes itunes login.

She went to bed without saying anything to me last night. I text her and said thanks for going to the movie with us and goodnight.

This was her reply - I can't help but ask what this morning was about? I don't want to be made out to be the bad guy in our situation. Last night was a productive conversation. I'm glad I could be honest with you.

Me - I had to go for a drive to clear my head. Dad called to ask me work related questions and i guess he sensed some tension so we talked for a little while. Last night was productive even though it was difficult. I like getting stuff out in the open. I will never tell you a lie. I love you too much to ever do that. Thank you for being honest with me. Thanks for talking to me. I like listening and am working hard to be a better listener.

She didnt reply. Noticed this AM she took her wedding rings off. Not sure if thats an attempt at getting a rise out of me or what. She hasnt taken them off in the 5 years we have been married. Hurts like hell to see her hand empty.

She was gone about 45 mins and came home with bed sheets for thr upstairs bed in a target shopping bag. I checked the voice recorder last night and there was nothing. Just her driving and listening to the radio.

Anyone heard of an iphone spy program called webwatcher? It can be installed remotely (no device access required) and no jailbreak required. Apparently all you need is the person's apple id login.

I have my wifes apple id and password after asking her what it was last night so i could download netflix onto my daughters phone. Hopefully she didnt change it after giving it to me.

I have used webwatcher for computers but not the iphone and it is awesome. You should go for it! And do it quick before she changes her password.

And she changed it.
DANGIT!!!!!!

What if I just tell her "i need your itunes password" and if she wont give it to me the convo turns to "what are you hiding?"

Wife wanted DD to sleep with her upstairs last night. DD had a meltdown wanting Daddy. I told wife she was welcome to sleep in the bed with us. She went and got her pillow and slept with us. Wouldnt touch me and was still cold toward me, but its a baby step.

This morning was good. Wife and DD wanted to go to church so i got DD ready in a matching dress and shoes, did her hair, etc. wife was thrilled that I did a good job. On their way out the door i noticed my wife was wearing her wedding ring. Seemed to be in a good mood. I stripped the bedding and washed it (usually wife does this).

Why didn't you go to church with them?

Its a long story, but despite a very religious upbringing, I am agnostic and have no desire to attend church.

Also, I found a book my wife just started reading called "Finding Me Again" and the author is Nancy Kay, who happens to be my wife's therapist and was our marriage counselor until my wife asked me to stop going with her.

You may want to ask yourself what's more important to you...you agnostic belief and lack of desire to attend church or your marriage? An hour or two out of your Sunday to sit with your wife and child (you can day dream, plan your day, think whatever thoughts you may have, meditate, just chill) may be VERY important to her. My husband is "spiritual" but not religious. There is nothing more I would like than for him to attend Mass with my so and me every Sunday....and our marriage is VERY solid/strong. There may be a good chance that your wife is putting the disconnect between your beliefs and hers under an microscope and adding that to her list of what she's "done" with....

Excellent point. I will try to start attending with them. Have a feeling wife is going to start moving out over the next couple days. Her sister is leaving for vacation for 2 weeks and her roommate is moving out during that time. Room is opening up at their house tomorrow morning. We will see.

No report. VAR turned up nothing today except radio and road noise. Wife still cold. She is still sleeping upstairs. Says she has "a lot think about". Im still being nice but not kissing azz. No change so far.

Tonight has been nice. DD and I have been upstairs in the bonus room playing while my wife did her aunts hair downstairs. When they were done my wife came upstairs to see what we are up to and brought popcorn. We both played with DD and for that moment she wasnt cold towards me

Update: she laid down with DD and I in our bed until DD fell asleep and then she went upstairs to go to bed. We seem to be getting along fine, she is purposely being cold towards me and sleeping in a separate room. I dont understand what this is about. She is treating me like the cheater!

Edit: There is a room open at her sisters house as of tonight and she hasnt given me any indication that she is moving out. Just keeps saying she has a lot to think about, feels like we have been "here" a thousand times and feels "stuck on this rollercoaster and just wants off". Her concerns seem to revolve around us always having the same problems that never get fixed, she feels like I always manipulate her and talk her back into the relationship when we have problems, etc.

Problems which may seem insignificant to you could be serious to her. You need to address her complaints for her to want to be with you.

Have you ever asked her to list the problems which never get fixed? Tell her that you want to work to solve the problems, so would she be willing to list them?

This may seem silly, but if she agrees, I would LISTEN, write them down, and ask her to read your list to verify that you have defined the problem accurately. Don't make opinion statements about anything she says. Just repeat it back and write it down. Tell her that you care about her happiness and will figure out a plan to solve the problems.

Can you try this? It is possible that the counselor has her convinced that you'll never change and she needs to leave you to find her own "authentic self". If you show a willingness to accommodate her needs and pay attention when she is bothered, it will go far.

Can you try this?

She is hiding something though or she would not be changing passwords. Keep snooping.